The I ching & a mattress

[flashlight]

Who could have ever imagined getting a new mattress could be so difficult??

My trusty old futon is dead after many years of wonderful service. Sleeping on it these days is hell and full on searching for a (normal / traditional) mattress. Very few places around to go test them, a ton of offering online, with comparisons hard to make since site to site branded mattresses can take on distributor brands (with or without the same specs) and prices are all over the map.

Miraculously, I'm down to a short list of 2.

Mattress A, I was able to test in a store; it does take about a week of sleeping on a mattress to know whether it was the right choice or not. On or off line, it is more expensive than the other, but is a very well known brand.
Mattres B is less well known, I was not able to test it, and its technical specs seem a bit superior to the first one (though I can't know if the quality of the coils, for example, are just as good), and it is less expensive.

No one wants to make a mistake buying a mattress!!

So I asked Yi:

How would I sleep with mattress A > 32.2.4 to 2 (I'm getting: good choice, no regrets, but major delivery problems -- though the darn thing is in stock and is said to be delivered within a week)

How would I sleep with mattress B > 61.5 to 41 (humour? you'll never get out of bed and give up going off doing things???? ?)

Yi seems to be echoing my conundrum....but I don't have an option C to offer to help Yi make a clearer response!

So, kind people, vote time, Mattress A or Mattess B?

 

[diamanda]

Could you please check again 32.2.4 to 2?
32 needs three changing lines to become 2.

 

[flashlight]

Indeed, Diamanda, sorry, type0 32.2.3.4 to 2!
Thanks for catching that

 

[diamanda]

I definitely know what you mean about choosing a mattress, a few years ago it took me ages to figure out all the lingo and offers etc before deciding. To tell you the truth, none of the two answers sounds good to me.

How would I sleep with mattress A > 32.2.3.4 to 2
Line 3 clearly says misfortune due to instability.
So while initially you wouldn't regret it, soon there will be some issue with it.
Not sure what to make of 32.4 here.
But overall, because of 32.3 (and hidden line 62.3) I wouldn't go for this one.

How would I sleep with mattress B > 61.5 to 41
I had this answer in the past about an ex boyfriend.
It turned out to mean (beyond a doubt) that if you trust this person, you will be harmed.
Despite some optimistic phrases included in 41, it still means "damage, lose, harm".
It's interesting that 61.5 contains the character 攣 (= crooked, cramped) usually translated 'linked'.
I know how hard you've tried to come down to two choices, however IMHO look again.

 

[flashlight]

Ugh! That's awful! (but thank you very much Diamanda....) Odd about 61.5 though... I'd understood that the with one changing line, that is what one should focus on, the resulting hex being the background/context. Which fit for me if that meant my futon had been pressed down to half its thickness and become hard, which is the problem...
I've spent days on this. Used my Saturday to go to one store that I could get to... It's a pretty urgent matter, I'm dying with my dead futon, and any mattress order would take time to be delivered while my back is screaming "not another night" and I'm bug-eyed from insufficient sleep.
Asked the Yi, how would I sleep if I just got a new futon? (though deep down I think my age/health/bones are asking for a normal mattress), and Yi answered 48.3.5 to 7... 48.3 leaves me confused here...

 

[diamanda]

how would I sleep if I just got a new futon?
48.3.5 to 7
I think the lines refer to what you say yourself, that you know deep down that another futon wouldn't be good for your back.

As about the resulting hexagram, some people consider it to mean context/background/etc, and some consider it to mean result. I view it as result.

Back then I chose a "medium-to-firm orthopaedic pocket sprung mattress" and never regretted it, totally recommend! You can certainly find them in good prices too, if you by-pass the most expensive options.

 

[flashlight]

That's what these two choices are -- pocket springs, medium to firm, with good padding for a soft approach -- and the best "bang for the buck" so to speak I can get here (with sales), the next category up (which makes for a too thick for my taste and linens) being double the price, without necessarily being better (lest I wake up all of a sudden with a partner who weighs a ton). Prices here are extremely high...(on average over twice prices in the US).
Thus my being very very bummed with your two competent (as I'm not) readings on the mattresses...
Now I have to hit the floor/futon and try to get a few zzzs...

 

[flashlight]

Did the rounds of the other couple of stores today where I could see a few mattresses. The in-store offering is puny. I'm used to walking into stores in NYC where the mattresses are just all lined up so folks can test, who cares about interior design! Found nothing that suited me at all. Most mattresses are of the SUPER HUGE THICK variety, which I don"t like and require special sheets etc.
Came home and ruffled through the Net to see if there were any that had an all cotton "wrapping" (most are polyester or poly/cotton mix, not terrific) and landed on sites for hand-made all wool mattresses (with cotton wrapping). And I thought, hmm, what about a wool mattress (no way I could pretest one though) -the last forever and then some. They are pretty expensive (as I've searched, my initial budget has gotten jacked up two to three fold, yaiks), but less than the big luxury ones you need a step stool to climb into )
Asked yi how i'd sleep on one of those > 18.6 to 46, which sounds pretty promising to me.
Still kind of keen on mattress B, asked Yi "what do you really think of mattress B"? 50.2.6 to 62. As with the previous answer, I understand the message quite differently depending on whether I take the resulting hex as the result or the background -- that is a key issue in my attempts to get better at reading without help that I do stumble over every time..
THanks folks for your patience with my mattress quest - it IS a big deal and not easy to solve!!!

 

[Tim K]

A: 32 - 2
Just by looking at the hexes - seems good. A permanent thing, accepting/carrying your body.
But then I read the lines, .4 clearly says 'no way'.

B: 61 - 41
h61 is very auspicious, and 41 shows that mattress will curve/accommodate underneath you pretty well.
I don't see any harm in line 5.

Then I looked at hexes images, 61 is symmetrical, lower part(mattress) mirrors the upper(body), 41 shows a lake carrying the mountain (awesome).
In comparison 32 doesn't look that good, thunder on a wood (too firm?), and then earth/earth - again too firm.

Concerned with diamanda's rather negative view though, I decided to ask Yi on your behalf
Should she buy mattress A? 16.1.2 → 54
You want to(16), but don't.

Should she buy mattress B? 40.3 → 16
.2 Richmond:
He kills three foxes. One yellow arrow. Continuance in the way brings good fortune.
Now that's more like it.
It's curious to see 16 in both readings, and I think 16 brings real joy/satisfaction in the 2nd reading.

Also I did ask a 3rd quesiton
Should she buy other mattress, neither a, nor b, look elsewhere? 20.1.2.3 → 9
3 lines huh (3 options), looks like Yi is teasing you
I think it says you already know the answer (.2), just decide already (.3).

I'd go for option B.

 

[Tim K]

Hand-made, 18.6
I see this line as - stay away, you don't need this/them, go your own way.

B, 50.2.6 - 62
I like that 62 is complementary to 61, and again it's symmetrical.
Good mattress.
The only nagging thought here is: you can buy cheaper/smaller one (62, and .6 - jade rings, too much adornment?).

 

[diamanda]

how i'd sleep on one of those (wool mattress)> 18.6 to 46
Very nicely I believe, leaving all worries behind.

what do you really think of mattress B? 50.2.6 to 62
The lines sound very good, but 62 in my opinion means 'don't expect much'.
Or, it could just mean "laying low", as in lying down.
And yet, 50.2 speaks of enemies who can't harm you (?) and hidden line 56.6 is ominous.
I really don't get what the problem is with mattress B.
It seems to be a good one, and yet there's an issue...

@ashteroid - I also see no harm at all in 61.5 - but there's definitely harm in 41.

@flashlight - I'm sure you'll get much better prices from shops which are online only.
Unfortunately you can't test them... but they do come cheaper there.
How about something orthopaedic with organic cotton cover (like this for example)?

 

[Windrell]

Miraculously, I'm down to a short list of 2.

Mattress A, I was able to test in a store; it does take about a week of sleeping on a mattress to know whether it was the right choice or not. On or off line, it is more expensive than the other, but is a very well known brand.
Mattres B is less well known, I was not able to test it, and its technical specs seem a bit superior to the first one (though I can't know if the quality of the coils, for example, are just as good), and it is less expensive.

No one wants to make a mistake buying a mattress!!

So I asked Yi:

How would I sleep with mattress A > 32.2.4 to 2 (I'm getting: good choice, no regrets, but major delivery problems -- though the darn thing is in stock and is said to be delivered within a week)

How would I sleep with mattress B > 61.5 to 41 (humour? you'll never get out of bed and give up going off doing things???? ?)

Yi seems to be echoing my conundrum....but I don't have an option C to offer to help Yi make a clearer response!

So, kind people, vote time, Mattress A or Mattess B?

Dear Flashlight, my opinion is mattress B.
Mattress A is good BUT you will be always lonely on it, with no loving companions-no birds in the field.
Mattress B is 100% fine, hex 41/decreasing means that tiredness is gone lying on it, and you will enjoy a refreshing sleep getting in touch with your inner true self....
Sweet dreams...

 

[flashlight]

Diamanda, Ashteroid, Windrell, thank you all for your time & thoughtfulness.
See why I have a hard time with readings (aside from not having the in depth knowledge some here have) -- so many hexes & lines can be read with different meanings, how to know what's what? The difference in Diamanda's readings for Mattress B from Ash & Windrell's is a classic "spread".(bang head against wall), no wonder I struggle in progressing on reading/interpreting. Hilary, could these be a good case study to compare approaches and understandings??

FWIW, I've never "liked" 62. Historically, for me, it's always meant financial difficulties and "the devil is in the details" type situations. I see it and groan inside. I've not noticed anything particularly bad about 41, save perhaps the impression of getting the short end of a stick at times or a period of hefty solitude. Here, I did interpret it as giving up the old (much loved) futon, back pain and insomnia -- but I'm not objective, B's specs look good, I've not tested it, and it is the one that would hurt my budget least

@Diamanda - I plan to buy online, of course (and that's a difficulty -- the supposedly identical name brand mattresses under destributor brands are not always identical despite the specs), but wanted to test some in stores. Can't do Latex (the one you linked to) and am aiming for a better quality. Mattress A & B are on sale (with A nearly double the price of B) and the wool one is not on sale and 2.5 times the price of B.

Bought a mattress pad today, that should help a little bit tonight and can always be used on a future mattress if needed.

Nite nite all