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A large part of the American public, perhaps more than half believes there was illegal spying on the Trump campaign 2016. So it is important this issue be resolved one way or the other. The US Dept Of Justice has what Police call an "Internal Affairs" division, the Inspector General's office, that is charged with investigating corruption and they have been working on this for some time. The report is due next month, and the issue is was there illegal activity or misconduct in spying on Trump, or was all properly done within the DOJ and FBI rules.
With this in mind - and recognizing the report could go either way - I asked a few questions of the Yi.

Was there illegal political spying on the Trump Campaign?
43.3 - "Increase benefits by pitfall matters. Without fault. Be true, move central, report to the prince using a seal."

In every English translation, this is an ambiguous line. It refers to a person being enriched by evil events or misfortune that comes to them. It also refers to someone who acts questionably but based on sincerity and reporting to the highest authority and having a seal (authority) is not to blame. It may describe both.
This could mean investigators acted badly, but not illegally because they had "A seal from the the Prince." So perhaps some of the major the DOJ, FBI, CIA and NSA leaders involved in this have Presidential Pardons sitting in their safe deposit boxes. In other words it was shitty to do, but they acted on the authority of the President's office - or at the edge of their authority - and so cannot be prosecuted for it. And - the victim of the bad behavior also comes out ahead as a result. Dirty pool perhaps - but covered by authority.

Will the IG report result in indictments?
46.5 - "Determination auspicious. Ascend the stairs."
Perhaps means they are still finding out how high up the chain of command this went I think, or earnestly working on it and it's in process.

What will happen as a result of the IG's report?
24.2.4 > 54.

54 as context - this is a polygamous marriage/relationship, this may refer to the political party system as context, where you can't always get your way.
24.2 Quiet return. Good fortune. (Wilhelm) A return blessed by heaven -- good fortune! (Blofeld.)
24.4 "Walking in the midst of others, one returns alone."
Confucius/Legge: "Her object is to pursue the proper path." Wilhelm/ Baynes: "One returns alone, and so follows the right way." Blofeld: "This solitary return is necessary if the path of righteousness is to be followed. "
Could mean Trump does not follow the party line of either Democrats or Republicans, but rather walks in the middle as his own man, and gets his name back.
May also mean the DOJ, law enforcement and Intel agencies return to a position of neutrality (the middle) on political matters - and their reputation is restored.

Thoughts?

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Spying on the Trump campaign by whom? What did you have in mind in your question?

(Edited: maybe it's obvious to anyone who knows anything about any of this - a group which does not include me. I am practicing blissful ignorance...I hate politics... :lalala:)
 
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LL -

While some of us have acknoledged that we have varying political viewpoints and perhaps there's a general push to not make the Yi our own politcal mouthpiece, you're starting off this discussion - as others have done recently - with a wholly personal and biased slant. In this case, you say ...

"perhaps more than half believes there was illegal spying on the Trump campaign 2016."

... which is speculative, biased, based your own opinion and not based on fact.

I just read a poll that said 38% of Americans believe that there may have been illegal spying, not 'more than half." ... and that almost half of those whom responded, or "49 percent, said that they believed the Justice Department acted either very or somewhat appropriately while looking into members of President Trump's campaign, while 32 percent believed it acted inappropriately."

So, I wonder, perhaps by not starting off with misinformation could that then lead us to a response that gives us more truthful information? I could, for example ask 'is Trump a racist," (which I did ask last night and will likely post soon), or I could have asked, "It is likely that a majority of Americans know that Trump is a racist, so I'll ask: is Trump a racist?"

I suggest that the former question might lead us to more truthful or less slanted interpretations than the latter one. (And, now that I think about it, perhaps an even better query on my part might have been to ask, 'what are Trump's views on race?')

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Assuming the answer you got was 42zhi58, I would read it as:

¨Sure; they gained information on Trump's campaign and reported it to their superiors, but not by spying but as a fortunated coincidence. Nothing to blame here".
 

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Freeda - Well no I'm not speculating, there are a lot of polls and I did qualify the numbers as "perhaps." In an Investors Business Daily poll, they asked the 72% that were following the story "somewhat" or "closely" if they thought there was improper spying, and 55% said it was "likely." And of *all* polled, 55% said they thought a Special Counsel should be appointed to investigate whether there was illegal spying or not.
https://www.investors.com/politics/...p-campaign-want-special-counsel-ibdtipp-poll/
But even if its just 40% as you say, that is a major block of people to have lose faith in the fairness of the Federal Criminal Justice agencies, so the question does need to be addressed.
And my "Why" this is a relevant question to inquire after, does not affect my questions at all, so does not affect the Yi's reading - no, there was no biased question.
Nice try though. :)

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Sicth Relative

Oh - yes I did mean 42.3!! Thanks.
It should be "Was there illegal political spying on the Trump Campaign?
42.3 - "Increase benefits by pitfall matters. Without fault. Be true, move central, report to the prince using a seal."

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Assuming the answer you got was 42zhi58, I would read it as:

¨Sure; they gained information on Trump's campaign and reported it to their superiors, but not by spying but as a fortunated coincidence. Nothing to blame here".

Umm - how do you get "not by spying? from 42.3" The line and commentary confirms information was gathered (increase) , and indicate that while perhaps there is no blame, at the same time the means was evil and something to be admonished.

"Confucius/Legge: Increase is given by means of what is evil and difficult, as she has in herself the qualities called forth. Wilhelm/Baynes: This is something that certainly is one's due. Blofeld: His gaining something by an unfortunate means may lead to the supposition that such means are a matter of course. Ritsema/Karcher: Firmly possessing it indeed. Cleary (2): There has always been such a thing as enhancement through unfortunate events. [If one can believe that misfortune is beneficial, then it is no longer unfortunate.] Wu: “He experiences increasing misfortune,” because of his position, not his doing.

Legge: Line three is magnetic, neither central nor in her correct position. It would seem therefore that she should have no increase given to her. But it is the time for giving increase, and the idea of her receiving it by means of evil things is put into the line. That such things serve for reproof and correction is well known to Chinese moralists. But the paragraph goes on also to caution and admonish. There is a soul of good even in those who seem only evil, and adversity may quicken it."

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