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rosada

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I asked the I Ching to comment on Jeremy Corbyn's election and received 49. Revolution without change lines. Does this mean the revolution has begun or that his election wont create much change at all?

49. Revolution
On your own day you are believed.
Revolution has supreme success.
Furthering through perseverance.
Remorse disappears.

-Wilhelm
 
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typo in your post Rosada, you wrote 48 not 49
 

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The desperation of socialism. The ordinary human being is caught between the exploitation of banksters and the communism of unions (the pigs of labor). I think the situation is the same in the UK as in the USA. If he could reinstate Glass-Stegall and rein in the monstrous Federal Reserve System, I would support Sanders, but he would not have a congress to support him. At the moment, Trump appear to be the best choice against total economic chaos, which may happen anyway. I see no way to prevent the ultimate collapse of high-flying China. The economic predators will skin us alive. The immediate question is, Have the West Coast fires gotten up your way?
 

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Jeremy Corbyn was a complete dark horse which I think gives meaning to the line, "On your own day you are believed." That is, up until the day of the election he wasn't believed to have a chance, was barely known plus the press slimed him, and then - wowza!
 

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Jeremy Corbyn was a complete dark horse which I think gives meaning to the line, "On your own day you are believed." That is, up until the day of the election he wasn't believed to have a chance, was barely known plus the press slimed him, and then - wowza!

How, pray, are you getting to a line in an unchanging hexagram? Methinks are seeing what you want to see.
 
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His election is a revolution in itself. His political party ('Labour') has been heading to the right for a long time now, and Corbyn so far seems to be more on the left - so it's definitely a change of direction (revolution). Well done on his voters who ignored all the press propaganda!
 

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"On your own day you are believed" is in the Judgement as well as line 2. But anyway, I do think you are bringing up an interesting point concerning the significance of the lines when one gets a hexagram with no change lines. Should the lines then be completely disregarded or should all of them be studied? Maybe all six of the lines are pertinent?
 

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Interesting. I asked "What is the significance of Corbyn?" and received 51 unchanging. Slightly different question-- slightly different answer-- but in line enough with events and your reading to be uncanny.

Interesting times!
 
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Many years ago a very wise woman told me that Tony Benn should become Prim Minister but that he wouldn't - but someone like him would become very significant in years to come (it was 1981).

I am all for this Corbyn chap - even if it stops people in their tracks and sit and listen. Even if you don't agree with some of his policies it is a chance to make people
Think at least.

Cast just now on the significance of this election for
The UK and got 30.16 to 62
Mmm.
Possibly?

Severed heads and executions....
Commendations
Bradford
 
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The Zhou Yi Dao Daily Reading (@zhouyidao) was on Corbyn on September 12th:

Yi Dao Morning Reading: Jeremy Corbyn 978878 Hexagram 60, judgment text. Yi Lin 35 - 60.

The text of the Yi Lin (Forest of Changes) for 35 - 60 is

A heavy load and the wagon breaks down,
A girl with no husband,
Thirty and still without a household,
Alone in an empty house.
 
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If all the previous Labour Party members have decided to abandon ship then personally that is no loss
He has more women than men in his cabinet - can't
Be too bad that ...
 

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cjgait,
I don't get how 35 - 60 got that interpretation. Do you know?
 
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Yi Dao Morning Reading: Jeremy Corbyn 978878

I don't understand where "35" comes into this either.
According to the above 978878, the answer is hexagram 60, changing line 1, resulting hex 29.

Cast just now on the significance of this election for
The UK and got 30.16 to 62
Interdependence is concluded, then someone lays low/stays home/is thrifty.
Either it won't have much significance, or the UK will get out of the EE.
 

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The significance of Jeremy Corbyn's election?
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As part of the ceremony of sacrificing to ancestral spirits, the skin of the victim was displayed in the temple. The Book of Rites says: "The blood with the hair and feathers (of the victim) is presented" (Li Yun, sec. I, 11). The ancient ritual of displaying the skin is also described in Wiegler. This is the fundamental idea that underlies hexagram 49. Corbyn's election is such a skin. He sees it as a validating sacrifice to the ideals he worships.
 

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As the question wasn't "How does Corbyn see his election?" I don't think 49. Revolution necessarily reveals how he sees it. (Actually I think Mulberry's reading where she asked "What is the significance of Corbyn ?" and received 51. SHOCK! may be closer to describing how he's seeing it! :rofl:) I do think however that the observation that 49 relates to symbolic rites and displaying skins is very intriguing. This says to me that 49 unchanging means his being elected is a SYMBOL of Revolution. Change is going on every day but we have certain symbols - like birthdays - that acknowledge TODAY there has been a change. Maybe Corbyn's election is a symbol of change - just as Obama's first election was seen as a symbol of change - whether or not anything actually changes...
 

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As the question wasn't "How does Corbyn see his election?"

The question was, if I understood correctly, "The significance of Jeremy Corbyn's election? " and I responded to it as you requested. The primary significance of Corbyn's election as head of the Labor Party was its effect on Corbyn himself. It definitely strengthened his belief in the correctness of his agenda, thus, for example, his refusal to sing "God Save the Queen" during a memorial to the Battle of Britain as recently happened. Corbyn, of course, wants the monarchy replaced by a republic, that is, he wants to be more like us, not necessarily a good thing :) Mulberry is on my Ignore List, and I will not respond to Mulberry again until hell freezes over, so do not assume that I know of or care for anything Mulberry says.
 
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When I heard Corbyn criticise the Conservatives for hammering the under-classes whilst giving greater and greater derestrictions to the bankers and financial traders I felt inspired. These were the Labour priorities before Blair made the Labour party into a modified Tory party. People who accuse Corbyn of re-hashing 30-year-old policies don't seem to understand that these problems have been around for a lot more than thirty years and they are still with us today. Britain is one of the most class-structured societies in Europe and the disparity, injustice and smouldering resentment that this causes is palpable. Social psychologists are well aware that societies with the least disparity, with an equitable balance and distribution of wealth, are societies with the least social unrest, the least crime,the least poverty. This is not achieved, as Corbyn might be forced to discover, by having the country governed by the trades unions - as Harold Wilson was quick to recognise.If Corbyn genuinely wants to create a truly equitable society he faces a daunting task. Such is the degree of separation within our society that the possibility of a classless equitable society is scarcely ever discussed, let alone enacted. Good luck Corbyn, you'll need it.
 
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