The "Tetrahedon" in the Yi ...

[yly2pg1]

 

[lightofdarkness]

aka notions of whole (whole numbers [primes/composites]), heaven/earth

parts (rational numbers), water/fire (boundaries)

invarient relationships (statics, sharing space with another/others, irrational numbers), mountain/lake

varient relationships (dynamics, sharing time with another/others - cyclic/morphic change etc - imaginary numbers), wind/thunder.

The maximum 'expressions' are in the centres of each side, not the corners where the link with others. IN growth dynamics each 'aspect' has to differentiate itself clearly but at the same time remain within the bounds of the sense, the tetrahedon form. The middle position in each side, each plane, is away from any borders and so escapes the complexity/chaos dynamics that is let loose when we create borders/edges/levels.

IOW 'Kansas' is safe but can also be boring etc - the 'coast' is where the dynamics is (or at the airport where we differentiate sky from earth and so the 'dangers' are in landing and taking-off, once on the ground or well into the air all is usually 'smooth sailing' ;-))

 

[yly2pg1]

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<font size="-2">The maximum 'expressions' are in the centres of each side, not the corners where the link with others. IN growth dynamics each 'aspect' has to differentiate itself clearly but at the same time remain within the bounds of the sense, the tetrahedon form. The middle position in each side, each plane, is away from any borders and so escapes the complexity/chaos dynamics that is let loose when we create borders/edges/levels.</font>

 

[yly2pg1]

Are we close to solve the ancient riddle?

 

[yly2pg1]

The ancient riddle:

四象既分
五行既出

 

[yly2pg1]

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<font size="-2">aka notions of whole (whole numbers [primes/composites]), heaven/earth

parts (rational numbers), water/fire (boundaries)

invarient relationships (statics, sharing space with another/others, irrational numbers), mountain/lake

varient relationships (dynamics, sharing time with another/others - cyclic/morphic change etc - imaginary numbers), wind/thunder.</font>

Whole/Part/Invarient relationship/Varient relationship ~ 四象

 

[yly2pg1]

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<font size="-2">IOW 'Kansas' is safe but can also be boring etc - the 'coast' is where the dynamics is (or at the airport where we differentiate sky from earth and so the 'dangers' are in landing and taking-off, once on the ground or well into the air all is usually 'smooth sailing' ;-))</font>

So, in the case of differentiating the sky from the earth, an aeroplane will be subjected to processes known as [四象], incurring a cyclic evolving phases known as the Five Elements [五行], with the aeroplane (and his crew) being the realm/agent of filtration.

 

[lightofdarkness]

the five elements appear to in fact be eight - reflecting the roots in recursion.

http://members.iimetro.com.au/~lofting/myweb/icfive0.html

 

[yly2pg1]

The puzzle is not about the mapping of the Five elements in the 8 Trigrams.

A lot discussions have been going on about the origin of the 5-Elements (diagram below). That is what interests me.

 

[yly2pg1]

My opinion, the "Tetrahedron Space" provides clue about the Entropy distribution via the 5-Phase(5 elements).

 

[lightofdarkness]

The focus from the IDM perspective is how did the notion develop and we can map that to recursion:

EARTH (Filtration)
earth
mountain

WATER (Consumption aka INTERNAL distribution)
water

FIRE (Distribution aka EXTERNAL distribution)
fire

WOOD (Production)
wind
thunder

METAL (Exchange)
lake
heaven

If we order these in energy requirements we have the binary sequence of the IC:

EARTH
WATER
WOOD
FIRE
METAL

This is STRUCTURAL.

If we order a la TEMPORAL we get Production to Consumption with filtration in the 'middle':

WOOD (production)
FIRE (distribution - wholesale, bulk etc)
EARTH (filtration)
METAL (exchange - LOCAL distribution)
WATER (consumption - INTERNAL distribution)


Note that the King Wen compass format is in this order other than moving mountain to the END of the sequence and so reflect the 'gate' aspect of mountain etc.

The five are compressable into four generic qualities of:

Production (wind, thunder)
Distribution (fire, water)
Filtration (earth, mountain)
Exchange (lake, heaven)

These qualities are fundamentals to socioeconomic dynamics where the core focus is on the dynamics of 'value' - be it Qi or Money.

LOCAL context will then come up with all sorts of variations, local details etc, all derived from the 'seed' qualities of these universals.

(note the five points also get into pentagram dynamics etc)

Chris.

 

[yly2pg1]

Can we apply "Production/Distribution/Filtration/Exchange" to the formation of the solar system?

 

[lightofdarkness]

Its differentiating/integrating all the way - we have adapted to the universe by internalising its basic characteristics. The LABELS given represent qualities that are universals and so context-free, operating at all scales. Anything outside of that will appear as paradox in that all we can do is interpret from WITHIN the method we use - recursion, differentiating/integrating etc

 

[yly2pg1]

So, Tetrahedron is a basic unit of Space Geometry for the recursion dynamics operating at all scales, represented by context-free Qualities.

How about MAN?
Being an agent of mediation, what is his "connection" with these Qualities - Production, Internal/External Distribution, Filtration and Exchange?

 

[lightofdarkness]

They are hard coded into our being such that you will find those who are 'natural' filterers, distributors, producers, exchangers etc etc These qualities are present in our collectives and our social dynamics are inevitable given the hard coding. The ISSUE is in the lack of understanding of the set of potentials that has led to us developing 'small world' networks - LOCAL adapations to the 'big picture'.

 

[yly2pg1]

By the Chinese calendar, I am a natural filterer.
What is the characteristic of a natural filterer?
IOW, what kind of "small world" i will develop, say in the context of my life course?

Also, is the "big picture" includes all the small worlds of filterer, distributors, producers etc in the social dynamics?

 

[lightofdarkness]

The 'big' picture will focus on the general, the strategic and so will include small worlds but not necessarily smaller worlds! ;-)

the 'small' picture will focus on particulars, the tactical and so will favour local perspectives covered in all 'small world' mappings.

The filterer etc categories map to MBTI categories and I Ching trigrams. Ordered in the binary sequence we have:

EARTH (filtration: unconditional, conditional)
earth (XNFP)
mountain (XNFJ)

WATER (Consumption aka INTERNAL distribution)
water

WOOD (Production: cultivation required, 'new')
wind
thunder

FIRE (Distribution aka EXTERNAL distribution)
fire

METAL (Exchange: cooperative, competitive)
lake
heaven

To derive one's MBTI type use the quick test:

http://members.ozemail.com.au/~ddiamond/qmbt.html


The persona 'types' of MBTI/IChing relationships are covered here (ordered in the binary sequence):

http://members.iimetro.com.au/~lofting/myweb/type.html

Thus an MBTI XNFP 'type' associates with five-phase 'unconditional' filtration and the trigram of earth. The realm of experiences, issues, etc will be covered by the hexagrams of:

02, 23, 08, 20, 16, 35, 45, 12

I will see if I can make-up a 'Profiler' program that will present 'types' in a formal manner of filterers, distributors, producters, exchangers rather than the MBTI categories.

Filtering covers learning 'rules' from outside (unconditional) or from inside (conditional). When in the DYNAMIC position, they sit in the middle, filtering what has been produced and distributed, prior to exchange and consumption. In five phase they 'control' consumption by being the source for determining what you take in vs what you reject.

In capitalism filtering is limited to 'market forces' and so AFTER the event, reactive - this allowing the early bird to catch the worm! Out of this position comes the limiting element where out pops the agents of balance - socialists, conservationists, interventionists - and so a dynamic between excessive vs minimal filters!

Chris.

 

[yly2pg1]

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<font size="-2">Filtering covers learning 'rules' from outside (unconditional) or from inside (conditional). When in the DYNAMIC position, they sit in the middle, filtering what has been produced and distributed, prior to exchange and consumption. In five phase they 'control' consumption by being the source for determining what you take in vs what you reject.</font>

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The EARTH element covers filtering from outside (unconditional} or from inside (conditional). When in the DYNAMIC position, they sit in the middle, filtering what has been produced and distributed, prior to exchange and consumption. In five phase they 'control' consumption by being the source for determining what you take in vs what you reject.

 

[yly2pg1]

So, in the case of the alien spacecraft entering the realm of our Earth Planet via a 'wormhole', the process of recalibration and realignment with our Space and Time from a WHOLE (due to WORMHOLE) to parts (Spacecraft and its crew)is in fact a dynamic of 5-PHASE bound by a safe Tetrahedron Space.

The FILTERING (EARTH element) covers filtering from outer realm (wormhole) or from the inner realm (Planet Earth). When in the DYNAMIC position, the Alien elements sit in the middle, filtering what has been produced and distributed, prior to exchange and consumption. In the end, an Alien Spacecraft and his crew "forms" near our planet.

 

[yly2pg1]

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<font size="-2">They are hard coded into our being such that you will find those who are 'natural' filterers, distributors, producers, exchangers etc etc These qualities are present in our collectives and our social dynamics are inevitable given the hard coding. The ISSUE is in the lack of understanding of the set of potentials that has led to us developing 'small world' networks - LOCAL adapations to the 'big picture'.</font>

Indeed not many people are managed to escape the loop of mapping the BIG PICTURE by developing small world networks in order to chart a decent but deviate from a precribed life course. OTOH, there are quite a number of people who have failed the role of being small world players to complete the big picture to fulfill their lives.

WHY?

 

[lightofdarkness]

There is no 'WHY' necessarily.

genetic diversity (nature) mixed with local dynamics (nurture) will elicit 'universal' natures and 'local' natures and both need the other.

That said, as we start to unravel the universals and teach them, so change is inevitable for all - it then comes down to genetic diversity and a focus on discipline, training our frontal lobes to be discerning in their control of emotions, learning 'quality' etc.

We have not had access to the information coming out of neurosciences - now we do and in that knowing are in a position to 'refine' ourselves. With the universals comes inevitability in outcomes such that we learn not to fight the context, we go with the flow or move on to find one's "place" - one's contribution to the species - that said, modern social structure in the West (and in China today) favours autonomy - being self-reliant etc BUT if we all start to behave as autonomous then we expose the collective to group change in the form of phase transition.

This is due to technology forcing us to adopt 'best practice' in our competitive natures - IOW the outside looks 'different' but the insides start to work the 'same', using all of that 'best practice' to be efficient. THis leads to phase transition of the group; as all water turns to ice or steam ;-)

 

[yly2pg1]

Whole/Part/Time-sharing/Space-sharing

Modern social structure favours autonomy. This shift is fueled by Technology and refinement of best practices in individuals(Parts)in the optimization of sharing Time and Space in a group(Whole).

 

[yly2pg1]

BTW, i am just curious why Kansas is picked in the case of the aeroplane differentiating the sky from the earth?

Seem to me you maybe a Fire or Metal ...
Again, Yi is about connectedness!