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Hi,
Maybe I am foolish to take the I Ching too seriously in its pronouncements, but now I do not know what to do.

I have a beautiful white ferret, only 2 years old, who began coughing and sneezing last week.
  • Took her to the animal clinic, and the vet prescribed the antibiotic Clavamox.
  • All her blood work, x-rays, organ and urine analysis were fine---no problems at all.
  • At home, it was hard dosing her with a syringe and dropper, because she would shake her head and spit. I wound up redosing and redosing her, and I began to supsect I had overdosed her, as she became very lethargic. I looked up Clavamox overdose online, and lethargy and extreme drowsiness was a symptom.
  • Rushed her back to the animal clinic, and told them I supsected Clavamox overdose. The 2 vets said, no, they did not think so.
  • She has now been there several days, they have been syringe feeding and giving IV fluids. Say there is nothing wrong with her, yet she is dying, will not move or eat or drink on her own. They say it is time to put her to sleep.
  • I asked the I Ching, "Is there any point in bringing her home; is there anything I can do to heal her at home?" the vets say NO and that she should be euthanized now.
I asked twice, and got:
57. Penetration
Line 2:

Penetration in the bed from below.
Consult records,
witches are confusing.
Good fortune,
without fault.

Bringing hidden influences to light. It is important to use sources of information that are reliable and unambiguous, to have certainty. Things go well, there is nothing wrong with doing this.

AND ALSO:

2. Land

Line 5:

A yellow lower garment.
A source of good fortune.

Being modest and ordinary. This allows for things to go well.
(Such a lower garment is like a kilt or skirt, and was commonly worn in ancient China. Nobles had embroidered ones. Yellow was considered the color of the sand, being ordinary.)
 
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This is sad. Dancing White Ferret should be able to make a few suggestions maybe.
I am confused..your cast was 57.2 and 2.5 fr asking if you can do something for her if you bring her back home? 57 speaks of returning influences and the line:

I] Nine in the second place means:
Penetration under the bed.
Priests and magicians are used in great number.
Good fortune. No blame.

At times one has to deal with hidden enemies, intangible influences that slink into dark corners and from this hiding affect people by suggestion. In instances like this, it is necessary to trace these things back to the most secret recesses, in order to determine the nature of the influences to be dealt with. This is the task of the priests; removing the influences is the task of the magicians. The very anonymity of such plotting requires an especially vigorous and indefatigable effort, but this is well worth while. For when such elusive influences are brought into the light and branded, they lose their power over people.[/I]

Priests and magicians are vets trying to help her but the real source of the weakness is something hidden, perhaps non-medical? Maybe it was exposed to something damaging in your home, something only you can think of.
If we return to the question, I would say it is returning back and for you to retake steps and try to figure out what may have caused the deterioration.
That is the best I can think of now. I hope it help in some way:hug:
 

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Thanks so much, Dragona. I called the vet's office and asked if I could pick her up and bring her home. They said of course I could, but advised against it, because without the IV fluids, they say she will suffer and it will NOT be a peaceful death. So this idea I had , that the I Ching might be saying bringing her home could "revive" her, must not be true. :( Thanks so much for your input; I have had so much pet loss the past 2 years, I am just numb. :( thanks once more. x
Yes, I am trying to figure out if there is something I did, or let happen, which may have caused this. I had wondered if a fan in the room might have caused a draft, although the other ferret is fine, and you would think antibiotics would have helped. She was not dropped or injured, nor exposed to cleaning supplies or anything. All I can think is that the female ferret I had one year ago who died of FIP virus, somehow left traces of it, even though I did my best to wipe and scour all surfaces in the pen, and various places, and used boiling water on all.
 

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get a second opinion ?
Thanks, Hopex. But first of all, it has been let go so many days, she is far gone now. And secondly, there actually is another animal clinic I go to, but they always, always concede to this other one. And it is true, that the X-rays, bloodwork, organ functioning all reveal there is nothing wrong. Yet she dies. ( She just lays there and they give fluids and syringe feed. She does not move at all. ) The same results would occur at the other place. :( just very upset, as I kept asking the I Ching all week if she would get well, and was getting nothing but positive answers. :(

I just asked, "Why is Louisa dying?" and received below ::confused: makes no sense?:eek: If anyone can glean any sense from this, you deserve and I Ching Medal of Honor:


The present is embodied in Hexagram 19 - Lin (Approach): There will be great progress and success, while it will be advantageous to be firmly correct. In the eighth month there will be evil.
The first (bottommost) line, undivided, shows its subject advancing in company with the subject of the second line. Through his firm correctness there will be good fortune.
The fifth line, divided, shows the advance of wisdom, such as befits the great ruler. There will be good fortune.
The situation is shifting, but neither Yin (the passive feminine force) nor Yang (the active masculine force) is gaining ground.

The future is embodied in Hexagram 29 - K'an (Water): We see the possession of sincerity, through which the mind is penetrating. Action in accordance with this will be of high value.
 

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If the ferret has been on life support for several days, continues to decline, and the condition cannot be diagnosed, then I agree with the vets. I think putting her to sleep will be the best for her and for you.
 

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In the hospital, sometimes people are diagnosed with "failure to thrive" because they seem to just simply give up. There's definitely a limit to what can be done, but if it's still an option, because they seem to be quite social creatures, maybe your ferret is lonely and another ferret(s) could cheer it up?
 

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Oh jeeze :C sorry to hear this about your ferret, foxx..
I think taking her home will maybe make her come around.
Thats very sad. My dog got parvo once, that was scary I thought she was going to die.

Maybe you could just take her home until you figure it out, since the vet says theres nothing wrong with her. And look into a different vet.
Maybe consult the yi again and ask what could be wrong with her? I dont know but I hope she pulls through!!
 

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Thanks so much to all for your comments. Unfortunately, I had to have her put to sleep. :( The vet gave me no way out: I could not continue to pay and pay for hospitalization and IV meds; they did not believe there was any further point in continuing on, as they said she was basically comatose. They insisted that If I brought her home, without the IV fluids she would die a protracted and very unpeaceful death. :( I am very distraught; I still think they should have treated her for overdose when I suggested that in the beginning. But who knows? I always feel I have failed a little critter when they are under my care, and die. She was beautiful-looking, and only 2 years of age. I have lost a beautiful cat, another ferret, and a chinchilla, all in the past year and a half. And now her. This is the one time I always envy people who do not love animals, and do not keep pets. :( Again, thank you to all.
 

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Oh, so sad...I was just looking into 19.1,5 and wanted to write that perhaps it has given up the fight or as it was, you have to let it go.:weep:
Also came to mid that it may have been bitten by something, an insect or something...but it would have shown in its blood works, I suppose...
I am very sorry, lost 3 cats in a short period of time, most likely to poison and I let down one of them and I still cry when I remember...:hug:
Dont envy those who have no heart for animals...they scare me - pet a baby, but kick an animal out of the way...
 

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I am so sorry. I hope through your grieving you are able to find them still walking by your side in Spirit.
 

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foxx777 this is one of those very humbling times when I wish
I was super good at the Yi.

its also one of those times when I am stunned and helpless - its
hard when you feel you cant help someone. Sometimes things are
far gone and it did occur to me what it must have been costing you.
That was bound to push the decision given the advice you were receiving
from the vets.

Hope you can trust the best thing happened - is there an issue where you
live? carbon monoxide or something? near a main road - certainly seems
tragic

big city living can be toxic somehow I havent worked it out yet - you need
lots of trees nearby :hug:
 

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Thanks, all of you, for your kind words. xx Yes, I am trying to find some meaning in it, but it is hard. We have a woods right in back of the condo, and her cage was on the deck, she got plenty of fresh air and sunshine, and just cannot figure out how something went wrong. Occasionally bees will come around the cage, and had wondered if she got stung, but no sign of anything on her. I still think I dosed too much of the Clavamox, but they gave her fluids and should have been enough to counteract this. I am sorry for your kitty loss, Dragona. :( I know how painful that can be. Again, thanks to all of you kind posters. Much appreciated.
 

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oh, no, i was kidding, found by mere coincidence but the doggie and the caption thought fits.
 

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Hi Foxx,

Fyi, hope this also eases your mind about the Clavamox:

http://www.1800petmeds.com/Clavamox-prod3319.html
"Symptoms of Clavamox overdose may include nausea, vomiting, rash, drowsiness, hyperactivity, or kidney problems."

Clavamox is an antibiotic and it's highly unlikely it could cause the common overdose scenario that comes to mind related to depressants (narcotics, sedatives, alcohol). Because your ferret was still breathing (didn't affect respiratory center which is the worry related to drowsiness) and was still able to take fluids (kidneys were still working), I think your veterinarian was right in saying your ferret didn't die because of an overdose.

Iams
 
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lovely sentiment Dragona - Bruce does look like
that but his tail isnt docked :)
 

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Hi Foxx,

Fyi, hope this also eases your mind about the Clavamox:

http://www.1800petmeds.com/Clavamox-prod3319.html
"Symptoms of Clavamox overdose may include nausea, vomiting, rash, drowsiness, hyperactivity, or kidney problems."

Clavinox is an antibiotic and it's highly unlikely it could cause the common overdose scenario that comes to mind related to depressants (narcotics, sedatives, alcohol). Because your ferret was still breathing (didn't affect respiratory center which is the worry related to drowsiness) and was still able to take fluids (kidneys were still working), I think your veternarian was right in saying your ferret didn't die because of an overdose.

Iams
Thank you so much for this.:hug: It does help. x
 

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