Too good to be true 14 uc

[springflower]

Dear friends I would like to share with you the answer I received when asking what feelings does he have for me.
Hex 14 unchanging.

It seems too good and I can't believe it. If somebody has feelings for you doesn't stay apart. 14 is very auspicious, isn't it?

 

[peter2610]

Hex 14 - Possession in Great Measure - Yes, this can be a very auspicious hexagram and its ruling line, 5th yin, indicates good fortune arising from an honest, truthful, approach. Its nuclear hexagram, Hex 43, can indicate the rejection of any negative thoughts or feelings. If you want to be pretty safe on this then ask a similar question again.

 

[springflower]

Its nuclear hexagram, Hex 43, can indicate the rejection of any negative thoughts or feelings

Dear Peter, thank you for taking the time to answer me. Your speculation is very interesting.
Could you please explain me what is a nuclear haxagram?
Also, I am not sure what is ruling line. Is it always line 5? Moreover, when we have an unchanching hex we take into consideration always line 5?

 

[Trojina]

Dear friends I would like to share with you the answer I received when asking what feelings does he have for me.
Hex 14 unchanging.

It seems too good and I can't believe it. If somebody has feelings for you doesn't stay apart. 14 is very auspicious, isn't it?

Ahem....perhaps when Peter advised you to ask another question he didn't realise you have asked this question in one form or another at least ten times in the last week or two. I've not counted but I estimate approximately 12 threads in SR about the same question not counting Exploring Divination. Several people have suggested you take a break from the questions, here for example

http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/frie...d-lines-for-love-relationship-wedding-reunion

Is it all too good to be true you ask ? Well you have had so many answers to the same question at this point they kind of don't mean anything anymore.

 

[rosada]

14uc: He feels the relationship he has with you now is perfect and he doesn't want anything to change.

 

[springflower]

Ahem....perhaps when Peter advised you to ask another question he didn't realise you have asked this question in one form or another at least ten times in the last week or two. I've not counted but I estimate approximately 12 threads in SR about the same question not counting Exploring Divination. Several people have suggested you take a break from the questions, here for example

http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/frien...edding-reunion

Is it all too good to be true you ask ? Well you have had so many answers to the same question at this point they kind of don't mean anything anymore.

I agree with you but I am not asking the same questions. I asked what kind of feelings has for me now. Nothing more. Is it similar?
Sorry I am new in IC and it's like an addiction for me and I want to learn so much but I don't ask the same questions any more.

 

[Trojina]

Yes pretty similar I think. You are asking fundamentally the same questions with different wording. You can review your previous threads on the topic of your ex fiancée here

http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/friends/search.php?searchid=120376


Given all those other answers you have had about your ex fiancée how do you see the 14uc here ? If you are asking about the same thing then you do need to take previous answers into account too I feel.

 

[loverofknowledge]

Springflower, while sometimes the iching does factor in the entire picture -- in answering a question -- including another person's feelings, in general, (as I see it), the iching responds in such a way as to help YOU, the inquirer to make decisions and to follow the Tao, or the Way.
So oftentimes, the oracle will direct you back to yourself by its answer.
I see14u as saying: you have the power, the intelligence, the value, the wealth -- in this relationship and in your life. What are you going to do with that ?
If you value yourself and your relationship, act like you value it, and all will prosper.
How would you be in your relationship with your ex-fiance if you really valued yourself and knew that you have all that you need already?
You asked about his feelings. The iching doesn't always answer questions like that directly, in my experience, and in fact, it can be dangerous to rely on the iching as a way to figure out what people are thinking and doing and feeling UNLESS the main point is to give yourself freedom to act in the best way possible.

 

[peter2610]

Hi Springflower, a nuclear hexagram could be described as the root, or essence of the initial hexagram. It is obtained from lines 2,3,4 and 3,4,5 of the initial hexagram. If we receive a reading with which we need greater clarity, calculating the related nuclear progression will usually widen and deepen our understanding.

A ruling line could be described as the most representative line of a hexagram. It also sometimes acts as the pivotal line in a hexagram, around which the other lines operate. It comes into play, as you have noted, in UC hexagrams. It is usually the 5th line, sometimes the 2nd and very occasionally, one of the other lines.

If you struggle with a reading, one or two further readings on the same question can definitely help, but don't go beyond that or you'll find that they can start to become seriously counter-productive. Instead, try looking at different interpretations of the I Ching until you find one that repeatedly resonates with you. Suggested authors are: Wilhelm/Baynes, Liu I Ming, Wang Bi, Legge, Carol Anthony, Hilary and Bradford (on Clarity) - Good Luck.

 

[rosada]

That's great if Peter gets clarity from asking the same question multiple times. However I think it's worth noting that hexagram 4 specifically counsels that the IC will give no information if a "young fool" asks a question more than once:
4. Youthful Folly
It is not I who seeks the young fool, the young fool seeks me. At the first oracle I will inform him. If he asks two or three times it is importunity. If he importunes I give no answer. Perseverance furthers.{Therefore} the superior man is thorough in all that he does. {That is, the superior man perseveres with studying the first answer thoroughly and is furthered.}
-Wilhelm

m2c. rosada

 

[peter2610]

Rosada, the emphasis of my post was to encourage her to explore different interpretations of the I Ching rather than a chain of never ending multiple readings. I have never had any problem whatsoever in occassionally making ONE OR TWO additional readings but I have found far more benefit in seeking to understand different interpretations. I agreed entirely with Trojina's observation on protocol.

 

[springflower]

Hi Springflower, a nuclear hexagram could be described as the root, or essence of the initial hexagram. It is obtained from lines 2,3,4 and 3,4,5 of the initial hexagram. If we receive a reading with which we need greater clarity, calculating the related nuclear progression will usually widen and deepen our understanding.

Dear Peter,
I am trying to figure out how a nuclear hex is created but It seems difficult to me. Could you please explain?

 

[canislulu]

There is more than one kind of nuclear hexagram. (I think Hilary may have a blog or something about this.)

The basic nuclear hexagram is made by putting the second, third, and fourth line under the third, fourth, and fifth line. So for hexagram 14 whose 2nd, 3rd, and 4th lines are yin and whose 5th line is yang the nuclear hexagram would be Hexagram 43. At lease that's how I do it Someone else may have a different way of explaining it.

As Peter said above:

It is obtained from lines 2,3,4 and 3,4,5 of the initial hexagram.

2,3,4 is lower hexagram and 3,4,5 is upper hexagram

The nuclear hexagram of hexagram 43 would be hexagram 1

Does that make sense to you Springflower?

 

[springflower]

Dear jumpingmouse thank you for your help!

I am not sure if I have understood right!


As we can see the next hex of 14 is 43... is it how nuclear hexagram is made? So, for hex 1 nuclear hex is 34?

Question... When we have an aswer with an unchanging hex we take into consideration the ruling line.. For example hex 14.5 and nucler's hex ruling line 43.5? So why peter wrote me that 43 is about the rejection of any negative thoughts or feelings...?

 

[Trojina]

Question... When we have an aswer with an unchanging hex we take into consideration the ruling line.. For example hex 14.5 and nucler's hex ruling line 43.5? So why peter wrote me that 43 is about the rejection of any negative thoughts or feelings...?

No, not everyone would even use the concept of a 'ruling line'. I don't but Peter does. What you will find is there is not one way to interpret a reading.

If you were considering nuclear hexagrams, then you don't need to think about their ruling lines at all unless you want to confuse yourself.

As already explained a nuclear hexagram is lines 2,3 and 4 as lower trigram then 3,4,and 5 for upper trigram. So the nuclear hexagram of hexagram 1 is hexagram 1. I rarely look at nuclear hexagrams but they can help. The relating hexagram plays no part in figuring the nuclear hexagram

There is a 'Learn' section here and a free I Ching course as well as a foundations course in CC.

However the most important part of the reading is the actual answer you got. The answer you got will be the hexagram, the lines and the relating hexagram. Everything else is just a way to get to consider the answer from another angle.

So for hexagram 14 whose 2nd, 3rd, and 4th lines are yin and whose 5th line is yang the nuclear hexagram would be Hexagram 43.

In 14 the 2nd, 3rd and 4th lines are yang and the fifth line is yin. Presumably a typo since the nuclear is indeed 43.

 

[springflower]

As already explained a nuclear hexagram is lines 2,3 and 4 as lower trigram then 3,4,and 5 for upper trigram. So the nuclear hexagram of hexagram 1 is hexagram 1. I rarely look at nuclear hexagrams but they can help. The relating hexagram plays no part in figuring the nuclear hexagram

Ok! I got it now! Thank you Trojina!

Peter uses the concept of a 'ruling line' and I find it very interesting! So I would like to know if also peter uses the concept of ruling line of the nuclear hex! It seems interesting too!

 

[Tim K]

Have a look here, Tool to explore hexes and nuclear ones as well @ psychicscience.org

 

[springflower]

Thank you very much for the link! It's what I needed!