Trigrams music and art

[frank_r]

In a month I give a lecture about The Yi and acupuncture. Now I want to explain trigrams in different ways. With the text from the book, with photographs, with Tai Qi movements and also with music.

But till now I don't have music with the trigrams, does anybody know if there is music according to trigrams? And also art work and trigrams.

Thanks Frank

 

[LloydWilliams]

Bradford posted the following earlier:

"CD's I have of music based on the Yijing (Bradford)

Frank Steiner Jr, I Ching Symphony
Uakti, I Ching
RichardWarner, Quiet Heart, Spirit Wind
Sesia Nagruniowa, I Ching
Elodie Lauren, Tronik Involutions
David Kempton, The Primary Trigrams of the I Ching
I Ching (group), I Ching and I Ching of the Marsh and the Moon
Yarrow, I Ching Primary Trigrams"

 

[sooo]

Hi Frank,

It seems fitting for music to be engaged in a 16 way. Just a thought for an interactive approach: it might be fun to save musical trigrams for near the end, when they already have the fundamentals, and ask them to volunteer examples of songs which might express each one, and discuss. Depending on the looseness of the group, might even have them sing a few bars. heh

 

[sooo]

Or, not.

 

[neegula]

sooo,
i'm so sorry i can't understand this kind of jam session you are talking about.... i guess it's a very nice something, but i don't grasp it totally...

 

[sooo]

sooo,
i'm so sorry i can't understand this kind of jam session you are talking about.... i guess it's a very nice something, but i don't grasp it totally...

I think it's just a matter of personal style. When I do an official presentation of some sort, I prefer interactivity, with me asking more questions and allowing the others' own associations to fill in the blanks. By asking those I'm sharing with to find the answers within their own sphere, rather than feeding them only my information, it keeps them involved and engaged. I think musical association easily lends itself to this. But it's just one way of presenting it.

 

[frank_r]

Hi Frank,

It seems fitting for music to be engaged in a 16 way. Just a thought for an interactive approach: it might be fun to save musical trigrams for near the end, when they already have the fundamentals, and ask them to volunteer examples of songs which might express each one, and discuss. Depending on the looseness of the group, might even have them sing a few bars. heh

Hello Soo,

Thank you for responding. I didn't respond till now but your idea of interactive response is something that I keep in mind. I already had some idea's with hexagrams/trirams and music. You remember the thread from some years ago(of course you do, you also brought in a lot of songs). This was a great exercise I also wanted to do something like that. http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/friends/showthread.php?t=5934&highlight=music&page=25

And Lloyd(and Bradford also of course) thanks, I already ordered one of the CD's in the public library.

Frank

 

[sooo]

Hello Soo,

Thank you for responding. I didn't respond till now but your idea of interactive response is something that I keep in mind. I already had some idea's with hexagrams/trirams and music. You remember the thread from some years ago(of course you do, you also brought in a lot of songs). This was a great exercise I also wanted to do something like that. http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/friends/showthread.php?t=5934&highlight=music&page=25

And Lloyd(and Bradford also of course) thanks, I already ordered one of the CD's in the public library.

Frank

Hey Frank,

Cool.

I wonder if Holst's The Planets might offer something, since Pluto is no longer considered a planet; that would allow for eight comparative trigrams and planets.

 

[rodaki]

Cool.

I wonder if Holst's The Planets might offer something, that would allow for eight comparative trigrams and planets.

. . now that's what I call an outlandish idea, lol!
I guess Mountain would be an easy one, say matching it to Saturn . .

hi Frank!

 

[frank_r]

Hello Bruce and Dora,

Interesting idea yes with the planets. I was wondering maybe to let them hear some music and then ask what trigram they see or feel with this music. Then they have to explain why they choose that particulair trigram. And maybe that's also intersting with showing them some artworks.

Now I have to pick some artworks. Like this one from Francis Bacon(painting of a dog 1952) did me think of Water.

So if someone has interesting artworks and trigrams. Please.

Thanks Frank

 

[rodaki]

hi Frank

hmmm, first thing that popped were Monet's Waterlilies, an obvious example for lakes . . for me also this work by Gerhard Richter is great for lake . .

(much higher resolution here: http://www.washjeff.edu/CAPL/record_detail.asp?id=3858)


I think some of Caspar Friedrich's paintings could also be great examples of water . . not sure about the rest but I'll keep my eyes open . . do they have to be paintings or can you show them clips of installations?



p.s.: maybe also Bert's (aka jilt) works could be useful (?) . .

 

[anemos]

Check this Frank . perhaps you find something interesting

Vladimir Kush
http://www.facebook.com/album.php?id=143530011762&aid=165245

water

wind

 

[anemos]

earth

 

[rodaki]

Georgia O'Keefe for both mountain and fire

http://cupcakesandeggplant.blogspot.com/2010/04/georgia-okeefe-abstraction-exhibit.html

i think O'Keefe would be great for earth too . .


Yves Klein's Fire Paintings for fire alone

http://farticulate.wordpress.com/2010/12/13/13-december-2010-yves-klein-selected-paintings-essay/




Jackson Pollock would be great both as thunder and heaven I think . .

of course Klein's Blue for water and his Anthropometries for lake, his 'Silence is Golden' for earth

I know also of some great videoclips for wind

 

[jilt]

p.s.: maybe also Bert's (aka jilt) works could be useful (?) . .

honoured,

morningglory could be li

stars from your navel k'un

link to the paintings: http://www.bertdalmolen.com/painting/painting.html

also: researches into lake:https://picasaweb.google.com/bertdalmolen/ResearchesIntoLake?feat=directlink

have fun.

oh, and by the way, jilt is my second name (lambertus jilt)

Another thing:
it is only possible to depict the archtypes that come from the hexagrams, the trigrams themself remain abstractions that can only be observed, felt in context with something else, but then it is already a hexagram. And when we see a hexagram resonating, it is already some resonations beyond the "pure" thing. The pure thing is of course the image in the yi, a hexagram.

 

[frank_r]

Jackson Pollock would be great both as thunder and heaven I think . .

of course Klein's Blue for water and his Anthropometries for lake, his 'Silence is Golden' for earth

I know also of some great videoclips for wind

What are these videoclips for wind?

Thanks Frank

 

[frank_r]

Another thing:
it is only possible to depict the archtypes that come from the hexagrams, the trigrams themself remain abstractions that can only be observed, felt in context with something else, but then it is already a hexagram. And when we see a hexagram resonating, it is already some resonations beyond the "pure" thing. The pure thing is of course the image in the yi, a hexagram.

Hallo Bert,

For me a trigram is something than is beyond time. That's why I think to grasp a little bit what a trigram is you can do that with music and art.
When you have a connection with these trigram abstractions than a hexagram can easier resonate with your deeper self in time.
That's why I also like the technique that a hexagram is a jump in time between two trigrams. What Han Boering is calling the traces.

Frank

 

[rodaki]

hello Frank,

I'm posting here a selection but there are lots more on youtube . .

here are some audio works:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qESQa8UHCTw&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cG326AV5O98&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-O2jOsJXfQ

and some visual ones:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7uDWuAuXnY&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDtvdl3-hD4&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmWpMsJCqVE&feature=related


These show quite well how I experience wind . . it's quite windy where I live and I like listening to it outside my window. Sometimes I hear it so loud it blows my mind . .

anyways, hope they are of some help

 

[rodaki]

edit: deleted due to double posting . .