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Trump's Downfall: 40.1 to 54, 59.2 to 29, 20 uc and 5.2.5 to 36

Trojina

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I don't mind, it's not my thread afterall...although now it seems no political thread is the territory of the thread starter which is weird

Also there's history of LL making every Trump thread pro trump which you may not be aware of. There's also a history of LL accusing others, as he has here in this thread with fof, of seeing what they want to see in readings when doing the exact same thing himself. I don't do political readings myself
 

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Also there's history of LL making every Trump thread pro trump which you may not be aware of. There's also a history of LL accusing others, as he has here in this thread with fof, of seeing what they want to see in readings when doing the exact same thing himself. I don't do political readings myself

Lol...
The lady doth protest too much I think.

1. My issue with fanofenka is not how she reads the Yi. She reads the Yi as she does and that is fine. We are all students and life is for learning.
But the *questions* she asks, starting with presumptions based on tarot card readings somewhere else - that is problematic I think in how one approaches the Yi, on a few levels. Even people that share her political views have tried to bring this to her attention. That was my point with her, before Moss Elk jumped in with a great deal of political animus - and but half a reading to back his certainty up.
It does not help fanofenka to become a better reader for him to do this, knee jerk reactions do not help bring clarity to any question.

2. The Yi is not a stranger to competing methods of divination. The Yi says in Hex 61 "Ten pairs of tortoises (shells) cannot oppose it. Supreme good fortune”. Sometimes divination by other methods - like cracking pairs of tortoise shells - would contradict what the Yi would divine. The Yi says in that line predictions by others or other methods can't stand in opposition to what the Yi predicts.

3. If the question is about an outcome, it either will or won't be. Trojina, when someone simply reads an outcome you don't want to hear, or points at a line in the reading that is complementary to the subject and you don't want to hear that, you have on several occasions accused me of "changing a reading into pro - Trump."
The problem with that is, time is going to tell. So why fly off the handle? What will be will be.
Whether I like it, or you like it or not, what will be will be.
Life's too short. And you're not really protecting anything, if you stop to think about it.

- LL
 

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"My Back Pages"

Crimson flames tied through my ears
Rollin’ high and mighty traps
Pounced with fire on flaming roads
Using ideas as my maps
“We’ll meet on edges, soon,” said I
Proud ’neath heated brow
Ah, but I was so much older then
I’m younger than that now

Half-wracked prejudice leaped forth
“Rip down all hate,” I screamed
Lies that life is black and white
Spoke from my skull. I dreamed
Romantic facts of musketeers
Foundationed deep, somehow
Ah, but I was so much older then
I’m younger than that now

Girls’ faces formed the forward path
From phony jealousy
To memorizing politics
Of ancient history
Flung down by corpse evangelists
Unthought of, though, somehow
Ah, but I was so much older then
I’m younger than that now

A self-ordained professor’s tongue
Too serious to fool
Spouted out that liberty
Is just equality in school
“Equality,” I spoke the word
As if a wedding vow
Ah, but I was so much older then
I’m younger than that now

In a soldier’s stance, I aimed my hand
At the mongrel dogs who teach
Fearing not that I’d become my enemy
In the instant that I preach
My pathway led by confusion boats
Mutiny from stern to bow
Ah, but I was so much older then
I’m younger than that now

Yes, my guard stood hard when abstract threats
Too noble to neglect
Deceived me into thinking
I had something to protect
Good and bad, I define these terms
Quite clear, no doubt, somehow
Ah, but I was so much older then
I’m younger than that now...

Bob Dylan - "Another Side Of Bob Dylan" 1964.
 

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Bob Dylan - "Another Side Of Bob Dylan" 1964.
It's interesting that you quote Dylan and especially Dylan from this point in time. He'd been rather political and then pulled back from that, and this song captures the moment of that change in this thinking. It may be interesting to know that Dylan began using the I Ching, presumably somewhere around this time, as per this interview from 1965:

Q: What about religion and philosophy?

A: I just don't have any religion or philosophy, I can't say much about any of them. A lot of people do, and fine if they really do follow a certain code. I'm not about to go around changing anything. I don't like anybody to tell me what I have to do or believe, how I have to live. I just don't care, you know. Philosophy can't give me anything that I don't already have. The biggest thing of all, that encompasses it all, is kept back in this country. It's an old Chinese philosophy and religion, it really was one… there is a book called the "I-Ching", I'm not trying to push it, I don't want to talk about it, but it's the only thing that is amazingly true, period, not just for me. Anybody would know it. Anybody that ever walks would know it, it's a whole system of finding out things, based on all sorts of things. You don't have to believe in anything to read it, because besides being a great book to believe in, it's also very fantastic poetry.


I imagine that Dylan's engagement with the I Ching must have some influence in the shift in his work that took place between the release of The Times They are A-Changin' album (recorded August-October 1963) and the Another Side of Bob Dylan album (recorded in a single night in June 1964).
 

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