Two different questions with 6 and 51 unchanging...?

[beadasil]

Hey there

I asked these two questions:

When is X going to contact me again? I am keeping myself to myself now as I feel it is up to him to contact me at this stage. Answer: 6 Conflict, no changing lines.
Since there has not been a conflict between me and him, my instinct tells me it might well be a conflict within himself and that's why he is keeping a bit of a distance (and we didnt meet this past week when we should have done since we happened to be in the same city at the same time).

So I asked another question: Who is the conflict with? Between whom?
Answer: 51 The Arousing, no changing lines.

Ahem...I am not sure how to decipher that.

I asked what the best approach to that would be?
Answer: 36.1.5 into 39 (horrible!??)

And finally, I asked "Is he done with me?" (dramatic, I know but that's how I feel right now).
Answer: 45.4.5 into 2 The Receptive

I am not sure of this either...

I would love to hear your opinions on these answers and then stop bothering the Old Sage for a while, thanks.

Bea x

 

[pink_mandolin]

Your in his "fold"

Hi bea!
I had a go at 45.4.5 into 2! Hope this is helpful!!

"Is he done with me?"

45. Meeting- Line 4:Much good fortune. Without fault.Things go extremely well. There is nothing wrong.

Line 5:The group is in place. Without fault. It is not that the trust of the first day will always persist. Aversion goes away.A group has been formed. There is nothing wrong. Keep in mind that the trust that is there at first may not always be there. Initial aversion will be forgotten when one has gotten used to the situation.

My impression and from the above interpretation is no he isn't done with you, I had the impression he see's you as a friend from this or someone he would like to stay in touch with. When you meet it is good, nothing wrong there, things have gone well! Line 5 tells me that he has a bond or connection with you, which is without fault as the line says! it says there is trust but it warns trust may always not be there so its important to maintain it! A group has been formed, you belong to mutual aquaintence and/or he see's you as someone who is in his "fold" so to speak

I get from the relating hex 2

It is beneficial to make partners and allies, and not to move on with people who have different interests.

from the interpretation I have here. That he see's it as beneficial to keep you as an ally. I think If a person is involved in a conflict they want people who know them around them to support them.

GATHERING TOGETHER. Success.
The king approaches his temple.
It furthers one to see the great man.
This brings success. Perseverance furthers.
To bring great offerings creates good fortune.
It furthers one to undertake something.

Hexagram 45 itself is related to hexagram 8- holding together or union from what I read, I think he will persevere in this connection, and I'm seeing you as the "great man" in this reading, I think your furthering him! I'm thinking he someone you have helped and made to feel "king" like i.e. you are good for his self-esteem! Does this ring true? i keep imagining from this that you are his friend, someone who belongs in his fold (or temple from the 45 judgement)

So imho I see no need to worry from this answer.

Regards

 

[pink_mandolin]

Hmmm...

I think from that 45.4.5 hex you'll be "meeting" or seeing him again! Its interesting you meet up with him and the Yi has given you hex 45- which is meeting or gathering together! I think this is what its saying, you'll meet again because he's got an attachment of some kind- or you both have and you've formed a "group"! it doesn't say what kind of attachment! You might want to ask the Yi? or you may already know?

Your 1st question is similar to the last question, if he's done with you, you wouldn't be seeing him again! So maybe this has answered both questions! See what others think on this! Thats what I think

x

 

[beadasil]

Dear Pink Mandolin!

That is rather accurate! X and I have a rather "odd" connection, one of those "at first sight" experiences which began over two years ago. It was not "consummated" until three months ago cos he was married. The "obstruction" that keeps coming up might be his marriage as he has pondered over getting divorced but not got one yet. We still have that connection but I feel that he is taking time to think, hence he said he wanted to meet me this week but didnt get "time to" in the end so from my perspective, we are more than friends. I am trying to find out what his perspective is right now and how it is going to develop in the future cos he is being evasive and I dont feel like pushing the situation. I am also very careful to express my feelings to him cos I do not wish to interfere if he wants to stay married. I just would love for him to make his mind up soon though lol though I understand that it might not be too "soon".

I asked ONE LAST QUESTION to clarify the bond between us and got this: 59.5 that changes into 4. Great! *playful sarcasm*

What do you make of that? Whose loud cries are dissolving as sweat, mine? Cos I have been shedding a few tears in these past two days...funny cos I am very popular with guys, have no problem in that department but there is no spark with any of them aside this man I have this special bond with. I have recently realised that I am in love with him but the situation means I have to guard what I say about it. He is a public person too.

Any help would be appreciated.

Bea

 

[pink_mandolin]

Releasing Stress, soothing his brow and letting your hair down!

Hi Bea,
I had a go at 59.5---4

Ok so this is a very personal question, its showing you the nature of your bond with this guy 1st I read what 59 is telling us about the bond and then I looked at the line itself, then the relating hexagram.

Hex 59 & your bond.

Wind blowing over water disperses it, dissolving it into foam and mist. This suggests that when a man's vital energy is dammed up within him (indicated as a danger by the attribute of the lower trigram), gentleness serves to break up and dissolve the blockage.

The bond between him and you I think is about releasing tension. When you meet you both release a lot of tension or stored up energy between you! There is strong sexual energy between you (heat) but this tells us also about the emotional side- the emotional connection between you is very gentle in the sense it slowly has restored balance into both your lives, healing old wounds gentley over time. You are able to talk but its not so deeply emotional that its a burden to you both. You both get a lot out of your interactions. I also see you as the wind aspect in his life, when he meets you he's full of tension and has difficulties he feels "dammed up" emotionally and you are able to gentley dissolve how he feels. SO when he leaves you after your "meetings" he feels relieved. He's "dammed" up and you relieve him (sorry there's no better way of putting that) haha I meant emotionally/mentally not just sexually! So when he's having a rough time at work or with his wife he turns to you and you release his tension, make him feel better.

When he is feeling emotionally icy or cut off- whats the word- isolated by circumstances in his life he meets with you and you warm him with your humour and your ability to listen.

Now the interpretation I have here says that this hexagram is related to 45- which is the original one you got! """DISPERSION shows the way, so to speak, that leads to gathering together.""" So your bond or the release of tension always leads to your meetings together thats why he comes back. Your fullfilling some of his deeper needs, I think what started out as a distraction for him has lead to something that he now needs in his life.

Line 5

Line 5- His loud cries are as dissolving as sweat. Dissolution! A king abides without blame. In times of general dispersion and separation, a great idea provides a focal point for the organization of recovery. Just as an illness reaches its crisis in a dissolving sweat, so a great stimulating idea is a true salvation in times of general deadlock. It gives the people a rallying point-a man in a ruling position who can dispel misunderstandings.

I think this is just affirming what I already saw in 59 itself. I think when he's with you he is dissolving his troubles, his cries- worries, pains as "sweat"! You dissolve his troubles, the release he gets with you. I think you are the "focal point" in this line! You being the salvation of his troubles- to get away from whats troubling him. Your bond is like the dissolving sweat which brings things to a head and makes everything feel alright again.

The part about the king abiding without blame- This is you abiding or putting up with this situation and don't feel you are to blame, that whats happening is a natural occurance, something that was naturally going to happen, so your going along with the flow!

The relating hexagram 4
I think this is saying that you feel you've been seeking him out that your in control of when you meet, but actually its him who is pulling the strings! He is seeking you out! Also I think this hex is showing that there is an aspect of fun, innocence and foolishness involved in your bond- I mean in the sense of letting your hair down! Your also learning a lot from your interactions!

Conclusion
So my conclusion is that your bond is easing troubles- in his life particulary. Releasing tension, which is emotionally and physically healthy in times of great stress/unhappiness. So if he did leave his wife this is the kind of connection you'd have with him- of course everything changes in life, so whether this bond will deepen or not of course is up you & him. But I think its a very healing sort of bond, if that makes sense!

You might want to ask the I-ching how you can deepen/strengthen the bond between you, that might help with your situation but you will also be changing the nature of your relationship with him I think if you do so, so some carefull consideration is needed with this!

I hope this is of some use, good luck with this!

 

[beadasil]

PM, I am shocked and moved by the precision of your interpretation so far! Moved to tears too.

I had made up my mind not to be the one to contact X first cos of what happened when he came over to the city this week (and somehow didnt have "time" to meet up with me) but I was curious to find out what would happen if I did / didnt so I asked three more questions:

1) What would happen if I got in touch with X now? Reply: 23.6 changes into 2
2) What would happen if I DIDNT get in touch with X now? Reply: 23.6 changes into 2!!!

I interpreted this as "the situation is out of your hands, X is going through a transition right now and all you have to do is keep a low profile and be receptive".

I then read your message above and asked the following question:

1) How can I deepen the bond between me and X? Reply: 49 Revolution

This seems to be a call to (major) action but I wonder how that can tally with the other two questions above. Anyone has any suggestions?

I would really appreciate your assistance. I find this very inspirational and therapeutic though at the same time I wouldnt want to "steal" too much of your time, guys. I am learning a lot on this site and I am very grateful for it to you all.

Bea