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I will add to the pool about the Ukraine situation with a reading I did on the 18th of January. To ask IC made sense to me since IC was developed based on war. It was an open question:
How does IC view the Russia/Ukraine situation? 25.1 > 12
Line 1: ‘Without entanglement, Going on, good fortune.’
What I get of it is the obvious: If Ukraine was not in the unhappy (blocked) situation of being messed with by Russia, everything could go on towards good fortune.

A few days later I asked the specific question: How should Nato react towards Russia? 37.3.5 > 27 (People in the Home > Nourishment)
(When I ask questions about collective issues like this I have in mind that thousands of people around the world are asking the same question and thousands of different answers are received...therefore it is hard to think of the cast as the answer to the question)
A home (following Hilary's interpretation) is a space that one invests in together, so the title of the hex could also be "People in the country". The hexagram has to do with boundaries.
It seems to me that the relating hex can be related to the primary hex in every thinkable way, so why not as a request to bring nourishment (support of any kind) to the people in the country.

Line 3: ‘People in the home scold and scold,
Regrets, danger: good fortune.
Wife and child giggle and giggle.
In the end, shame.’


Could refer to the tension between Nato/Ukraine >< Russia (world as a "home"), but sticking to Ukraine as the home where the scolding takes place, it might refer to the 4 million pro-Russian separatists in Ukraine? How that can be good fortune I would wish to know. And who is doing the giggling I also wonder, nothing to giggle about I think. The prognosis is certainly not clear-cut. On one side: good fortune, on the other: shame.

Line 5: ‘With the king’s presence, there is a home.
Do not worry. Good fortune.’


Where there wasn't really a home in line 3, in line 5 there is! Due to the king's presence. Usually one would take it as the king of the country. Since the question was about Nato, I read it to mean that just the presence of Nato will prevent war and remove the worries.
 
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Yes, 25.1>12 says there will be no interaction between Ukraine and Russia (maybe they even stop diplomatic relationships), and 37.3.5 > 27 means Nato will act like an authority to reestablish the peace.
 

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I think this was a fair interpretation you suggested but the future turned out to be different. The answers I got in my casts do not seem to take into account what later happened and when I look at the other casts people have posted up to the Russian invasion, which more specifically asked for a prediction, they did not foresee what was going to happen either. Most of the readings seemed to agree that nothing serious was going to happen. Terrible that a war has started and disappointing that IC has not been more reliable.
 

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I don't think it's the I Ching that has been unreliable but rather it's our own wishful thinking that has skewed our interpretation.
Consider the lines now with hindsight:
The question was, "How does the IC view the Russia/Ukraine situation?" This is an odd question. It sounds like the questioner is assuming the IC is a person they are speaking to, but who? And if the question is being directed to The Universe then the response - "Without entanglement / Standstill" reads to me as if to say "The Universe views the two countries as two separate countries." Perhaps also 25/12 is an image of two who at the time the question was asked were not engaged or making any progress. Or maybe it was a warning people needed to stop being nieve and recognize the possible dangers. Whatever, who can argue with any answer? We're asking what the IC point of view is and there you have it. Like it or not it's the IC's view so how can we say it's "wrong"?
The answer to the second question might also make sense when we carefully consider the actual question. It was not, "What will NATO do?" but "What should NATO do?" so the answer then could be read as meaning, "NATO countries should stop goofing off (37.3) and take charge (37.5)." Now if only they would...
 
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Most of the readings seemed to agree that nothing serious was going to happen. Terrible that a war has started and disappointing that IC has not been more reliable.
I think you always have to at least consider Yi may be commenting on your question or talking directly to you about the question you asked. Particularly it may draw attention to the reason you asked perhaps.

The person below got the clearest answers. They needed to know whether to go home


So in response to your comment about Yi not being reliable, no it's not that but that you need to develop your understanding of and connection with Yi. It's not a slot machine, it's not going to answer directly every question you put to it, it might return the question to you. In this case I don't know, it's something for you to figure out, to figure out why you were answered that way. Saying it's unreliable presumes it's some kind of tool for you to wield and get replies you want from but it's not like that. It is a teacher and no teacher sits and answers every single question sometimes they might say 'what do you think?'.
 

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New thread was started here - moving away from a sense of defeat to what we can do now

 

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Agree that the answers I got could apply to the situation. I do not think my first question was so strange, I guess that whatever/whoever answers can understand the question in the context it is asked (and no matter if I direct it to IC, Yi, or the Universe). I intentionally asked a very open question as the first to not put my presuppositions into it. My first idea of the meaning was that it suggested not to get entangled in this conflict. But the question was very broad and I guess the answer should be read according to that and then it just seems to state the obvious that the best would be if there were no entanglement.
The next question was more narrow, and I agree that I did not ask it to predict anything. But it somehow did. The answer could be read as a reassurance that if 'the king' was present there would be no reason to worry. Nato/US was certainly present. Maybe 37.3 means "stop goofing off".... all I can say is that I am happy that US now have a less impulsive president.
I do not consider any of these answers "wrong", it is just not very convincing in the hindsight.
There is no cast that I have seen so far that impresses me (out of the many casts the 44uc cast might be the most substantial)
 
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