Unexpected response from the universe. 23.5?11.2.4?32UC? what should I do?

[Topher]

I have just asked yesterday to the universe(following LOA) guide how to ask a question to the universe...I asked if should go after her/insist with her give me an UNDENIABLE signal. she texted me today. that was fast.

anyway I asked what should I do? 61.4.6 and 23.5
as I see it 61.6 described me or her nor behaving like ourselves, she unblocked me out of whatsapp(because wanted to communicate something, she wanted to give me back what i gifted her..) anyway she was asking me if I knew a way to send me the money.. I know for certain by othe r question I have asked to the iching to that it adviced me to wait for it (18UC)

i asked why she had unblocked me? 11.2.4
I think 11.4 is more an advice on how ot act

i asked what is the action referred in hex11.2 and told me 32UC

 

[Topher]

i think 11.2 and 32 talk about having my objective in mind while I accept giving her boundaries. at first talks about not leaving her behind but accepting her weeaknesses while keeping my own needs first.

talks about starting big then going small it sounds familiar

 

[moss elk]

I asked if should go after her/insist with her give me an UNDENIABLE signal. she texted me today. that was fast.

Topher, you are grounded young man.
Go to your room.

You asked for a sign, you got one,
and are still ignoring it..... this way leads to great personal harm.
(I explained to you before that such telepathy is the result of mental focus and orbital proximity,
it is not a sign from heaven, exactly as you think it is,
it can occur with an unsavory/evil person as well, trust me on that.)

The sign was in her words
"I don't want to be indebted to you,
go away"

The sign was not simply that she contacted you.

You can't make someone to love you, and this person you described is no prize.

Is there anyone in your life that you respect, and would actually listen to?
I hope, for your sake, that you will talk to them.

So many people have made the mistake you are making here,
Many songs written about it.
Teddy does a good version here:

 

[Topher]

Well I asked implictly for a sign and I said one undenieable one and I asked iching anywya what should I do
34.2 iching is telling i can succeedi dont understand the mixed view from iching and the reality could you explain me that?

 

[Trojina]

If you ask a thousand questions on the same topic do you think you still get answers you can meaningfully understand ?

You have asked a thousand questions (in many previous threads under several names) regarding the minutiae of this woman's blocking and unblocking of you. I think she has made it clear she wants you to leave her alone. That is your sign. There is no 'sign from the universe' nor any I Ching reading that can override what she herself has told you. The more you drift from that reality the more you hurt yourself in the long run.

In fairness to you I think from what I recall she has given you very mixed messages because as you have said she is highly mentally unstable. You appear unfortunately to be addicted to this cycle she perpetuates of rejection and then a little bit of acceptance. So I would suggest what you are really dealing with here is your own addictive pattern. Many people do experience this kind of thing to some degree, you aren't alone in this. I think many of us get, or have gotten, hooked on elusive mind benders who reject us then just as soon as we give them up they offer another tidbit of acceptance to reawaken our addiction. Addictions enslave, they are never good and always end in a lot of pain and always take a lot of hard work to get free from.

You did start to get free from this addiction, I recall a thread where you said you had moved on. But now you have gotten ensnared again and sadly you've sort of harnessed the LOA thing, which is I think quite demonic in many respects. I'd say it was undercover demonic having exactly the same creed as Satanism as in 'do as thou wilt' 'you can have anything you want' that kind of thing where the self is elevated to supreme power. There's elements of truth in it but beware of it, read it critically. You can never have a relationship through the I Ching, if someone says they don't want to know you you must accept that.


Problem is if you take any further steps with this not only do you hurt yourself immensely you may start to be in danger of being accused of stalking or other criminal behaviours.

 

[moss elk]

Well I asked implictly for a sign and I said one undenieable one

Notice that two units of the universe(people) are denying it in this thread. Notice her words are denying you, that's three denials.
You like math, right?
3/infinity units are saying one thing,
1/infinity units (you) is not in accordance.

You listen to your thoughts too much,
and thereby deny the rest of the universe.
This is to deny reality.

 

[Topher]

Notice that two units of the universe(people) are denying it in this thread. Notice her words are denying you, that's three denials.
You like math, right?
3/infinity units are saying one thing,
1/infinity units (you) is not in accordance.

You listen to your thoughts too much,
and thereby deny the rest of the universe.
This is to deny reality.

I had implictly said if I shouldnt dont send me a signal else send me an undeniable one.

the next day she contacted me out of nowhere... and even she didn't know we couldnt meet to well give me stuff back. she wanted to send me even the money back. all this because either a) when I went her home, her family knew what she had accepted from me. and yet she denied we had anything, do you accept someone's engagement ring as a friend? no... b) she disliked I went her home.

btw I found interesting that when I asked the universe or God a single chance to communicate with her it gave it to me (in form of he runblocking me, me without contacing her a tall) this same way the universe sent me a signal, I wonder if it's only because it gives me what i want? or because merely I desire it with a kind heart instead I wonder because I don't know how this works. it simply happens thi way I ask for a chance and somehow she contacted me, even if I was blocked, one time for exmple she contacted me at 4:30AM, while I know she goes sleep late. I wonder how this could happen

Anyway i have received some casting for iching and in iching opinion I should have let her go a long ago


who should I take advice from the universe or iching? I know iching gives an advice based on its own morals while the universe whatever you want,but for example I have asked the universe an opportunity for something else I hadnt received such response as these(happening at the few hours after asking for it)

I just wonder because I implictly said send e a signal if I should else dont send me anything.

 

[Topher]

If you ask a thousand questions on the same topic do you think you still get answers you can meaningfully understand ?

You have asked a thousand questions (in many previous threads under several names) regarding the minutiae of this woman's blocking and unblocking of you. I think she has made it clear she wants you to leave her alone. That is your sign. There is no 'sign from the universe' nor any I Ching reading that can override what she herself has told you. The more you drift from that reality the more you hurt yourself in the long run.

In fairness to you I think from what I recall she has given you very mixed messages because as you have said she is highly mentally unstable. You appear unfortunately to be addicted to this cycle she perpetuates of rejection and then a little bit of acceptance. So I would suggest what you are really dealing with here is your own addictive pattern. Many people do experience this kind of thing to some degree, you aren't alone in this. I think many of us get, or have gotten, hooked on elusive mind benders who reject us then just as soon as we give them up they offer another tidbit of acceptance to reawaken our addiction. Addictions enslave, they are never good and always end in a lot of pain and always take a lot of hard work to get free from.

You did start to get free from this addiction, I recall a thread where you said you had moved on. But now you have gotten ensnared again and sadly you've sort of harnessed the LOA thing, which is I think quite demonic in many respects. I'd say it was undercover demonic having exactly the same creed as Satanism as in 'do as thou wilt' 'you can have anything you want' that kind of thing where the self is elevated to supreme power. There's elements of truth in it but beware of it, read it critically. You can never have a relationship through the I Ching, if someone says they don't want to know you you must accept that.


Problem is if you take any further steps with this not only do you hurt yourself immensely you may start to be in danger of being accused of stalking or other criminal behaviours.

I can stop caring about her I had stopped feeling anything about her during 3weeks I had taken a job, she was self-indulgent

Spoiler: why she is self indulgent

(as I know she always is), for example she once told me was going to take a job where she (SHE DOESNT HAVE WORKING EXPERIENCE) was hired for something which payment rate was too high, at the end she told me he proposed her to giver her money for sex.I think she accepted.then months after that she told me that he abused her...(totally different story that told me then)

She was hurtful btecause the only single time I went her home (though I didnt do anything wrong, I only didnt want to give her money for something she didnt tell me before)to ask for forgiveness she accusssed me of harrassing her with her mother(she didnt want her to know about me because once we were talking in a videocall to "fix" some problem the laptop I gifted her had, I asked her if I could tell her I love her, she said not in front of her mother), when it was a lie I had only gone to her home once and I hadnt contacted her the entire week since she got angry. also I had told her mother everything I had gifted to her and the times we went to eat, I should have told her the times she told me wanted me, not sure if I was unconciously guiding myself for recovering the things I gave her or wanted to give proof her mother that she indeed felt something because let's be honest You dont accept an ENGAGEMENT RING from a friend

Spoiler: more of her lies

(she said that once to me I assume she said to everyone else)

I even made sure to ask her " D , we arent friend, what are we? " she replied :"We are dating".

so she changed her mind 1-2 week and I know that going her home was probably a move to avoid her taking advantage of me any further but I also went there to ask for forgiveness. I had taken a 4-5hour trip with a chocolate, a chocolate desssert and a rose,to a state I dont know, I hadnt eaten then, and I wasnt expecting this could happen but she wasnt expecting I would be able to tell her mother and her family things she was hiding from them.

what's funny is that when she contacted me to give me the things back, basically she told me I had gifted her the laptop, yes I did but only because I knew she was feeling something for me, before she told me she wouldn't accept it because we weren't anything. I repeated her words.at the time we met she even was willing to take my engagement proposal (she was expecting me to put her a ring in her hand when I simply asked for her hand to feel my heart beating for her, I had told her before we met up, I would propose to her when I would give her the laptop) and she replied "why would you want to marry me?" you weren't supposed to sell me an engagement ring,you would would sell me a laptop .Again I never talked about selling a ring. and she made clear she wouldnt want a laptop that didnt have a video card... then she wants to buy it now? then the day we met I asked if I could make fall inlove with me and she was hesistating but she never rejected me on the date. in fact it was quite the opposite to that.

Spoiler: more details about her behavior Iching always tells me 43 about her

side note Iching told me 4.3 you dont have any advantage in marrying this woman because when she sees a wealthy man she doesnt behave like her self. she once proposed me to date and share as if we were poor to not spend money in her, and once I talked about buying a phone she asked me to buy her one phone. the same phone she was insisting to make me buy her on december as an excuse (would you mind looking for a cheaper phone where you buy? I saw it was more expensive in the US so I told her that also made an excuse) anyway she ended getting the phone(she put 50% ) and I the other 50%... anyway once she received the money ofr the phone she didnt behave lovingly and she didnt want to keep dating

she tried to get someone(she even told me ) that met in this dating app to buy her a phone because hers wasnt working(she had problems with charging the battery) and then this person sent her $50... and guess what? she asked him for the same phone model...also funny note she mentioned as her sister had asked her if she had shown her breast to this man...

Spoiler: How I found out about LOA and why I tried to use some methods, even the ones about telepathy they worked always

I only did the LOA videos because I only searched for what is telepathy (thing we experienced) i was curious to learn about it and one of the search results was this channel which has pretty useful videos. I never looked for the law of attraction... I just found it. and mine is not a selfish desire because if it's based on the feeling of wanting her the best I am sure I am not selfish, I know i love her. but I dont desire her.
funny thing that once I mentioned that people used of her(I know she does this for money so she feel is not like this it's more a money source) she said people doesnt use her,but she had previously something entirely different... not sure if previous times she was acting or what..

this was after we met whenever I thought about the first time we met she ended texting me exactly at the time I was thinking about it, whenever I said her name twice, she texted me, I even found once writing to her at the same time she was sending me a message, I did a LOA thing where you said something and when I did it she was videocalling me to take off her brasier, but I didnt elt her instead I told her she wa smanipulating me(she was asking me to be quiet, as her mother was around) she ended the call

TDLR, indeed there was telepathy.but sometimes she wasn't the same kind of person(ality) I expect. as I found something meaningful something beyond the material world and she was only guided by lust and low emotions

anyway I asked iching what does she think about me 12.1.3
in 12.1 i always thought I would get an impacting event, I might who knows but interpretation means changing the outlook yes she doesnt like the idea of 'soulmates' I only find it the only explanation for telepathy, we are in a karmic relationship I know I have found her telling me things I had told my parent when I was a teenager things weren't nice, she repeated them to meshe even has the same personality traits I have, I told her some of them and she even acknlowged them as true, she like a mirror, I know i met her to learn about myself. it's karma I know.Not sure if I am her karma, but she disliked the anxious behavior she saw reflected from her mother on me(or so she had told me)
12.3 is me not acting correctly because I took things I had gifted her.

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anyway last night I told her I would give her the site I was writing(a store) also told her emotions wise how important was to me. I waited some minutes and I asked the iching what does she feel for me ? 42.1.5, now this si probaly the iching talking bout the email itself. and if it was tellling me she feels I have a kind heart that would surprise me

 

[Willem D]

Why even post on this forum and ask our opinion if your mind is already made up about the meaning of the answers the Yi gives you?

 

[moss elk]

Topher, we are trying to save you from a fate worse than death. We honor you by trying to warn you. Why don't you get on board by honoring yourself?

You mentioned you play FPS's.
Let me say something you may not have thought about. FPS's engage the fight or flight responses in us, predator and prey feelings. This girl is activating those centers. Which should be a sign to recognize what is really going on.

If one feels inflammed/angry/frustrated or worried/afraid.....
That's not love, friend.

That's denying your own feelings and intuition.

 

[Topher]

Topher, we are trying to save you from a fate worse than death. We honor you by trying to warn you. Why don't you get on board by honoring yourself?

You mentioned you play FPS's.
Let me say something you may not have thought about. FPS's engage the fight or flight responses in us, predator and prey feelings. This girl is activating those centers. Which should be a sign to recognize what is really going on.

If one feels inflammed/angry/frustrated or worried/afraid.....
That's not love, friend.

That's denying your own feelings and intuition.

I wasn't trying to continue. literally there is no way to continue with this, well there is but logically there isn't a single way to continue... at the moment I am busy learning some Js and web dev stuff I dont do often.

I dont feel angry I felt only depressed on how someone could possibly just acusse someone just to save themselves. but to be honest If I had sound too angry that wasn't the intention on how I wanted to describe things, it's just how they look. for me they neither make me angry or happy (Mostly because I am busy)but I know for certain that iching had told me some times she isn't the right person to marry 44/4.3 but what makes me wonder is why would we ever had some sort of connection at all? just because she falls in love with anyone?

could someone explain me what 42.5 means I have been receiving this line 3 times already in different cases I asked something and I told me 45.2(I forgot what the question was) was related to 42.5, then asking about the last one thing I had sent her how she would receive it and 42.1.5 then I asked the same today 42.5

Line 5 If the heart is true, no need to ask = supreme good fortune from kindness as a virtue. Changes to (27) Nourishing Vision. It is said that those who go against the Way end up being called unlucky. What is really happening is that fighting the flow or having a negative mindset interferes with the purposeful unfolding of events. To make benevolence and acceptance your virtue, make the most of all situations with a kind heart and a willingness to share. Because you do not use counting rods to measure experience in terms of good and bad, the situation unfolds favorably. When in doubt, follow the heart.

When I Wrote it I was talking truly from my heart but what is the good fortune it talks about?

 

[Trojina]

I can stop caring about her I had stopped feeling anything about her during 3weeks I had taken a job, she was self-indulgent

Spoiler: why she is self indulgent

(as I know she always is), for example she once told me was going to take a job where she (SHE DOESNT HAVE WORKING EXPERIENCE) was hired for something which payment rate was too high, at the end she told me he proposed her to giver her money for sex.I think she accepted.then months after that she told me that he abused her...(totally different story that told me then)

She was hurtful btecause the only single time I went her home (though I didnt do anything wrong, I only didnt want to give her money for something she didnt tell me before)to ask for forgiveness she accusssed me of harrassing her with her mother(she didnt want her to know about me because once we were talking in a videocall to "fix" some problem the laptop I gifted her had, I asked her if I could tell her I love her, she said not in front of her mother), when it was a lie I had only gone to her home once and I hadnt contacted her the entire week since she got angry. also I had told her mother everything I had gifted to her and the times we went to eat, I should have told her the times she told me wanted me, not sure if I was unconciously guiding myself for recovering the things I gave her or wanted to give proof her mother that she indeed felt something because let's be honest You dont accept an ENGAGEMENT RING from a friend

Spoiler: more of her lies

(she said that once to me I assume she said to everyone else)

I even made sure to ask her " D , we arent friend, what are we? " she replied :"We are dating".

so she changed her mind 1-2 week and I know that going her home was probably a move to avoid her taking advantage of me any further but I also went there to ask for forgiveness. I had taken a 4-5hour trip with a chocolate, a chocolate desssert and a rose,to a state I dont know, I hadnt eaten then, and I wasnt expecting this could happen but she wasnt expecting I would be able to tell her mother and her family things she was hiding from them.

what's funny is that when she contacted me to give me the things back, basically she told me I had gifted her the laptop, yes I did but only because I knew she was feeling something for me, before she told me she wouldn't accept it because we weren't anything. I repeated her words.at the time we met she even was willing to take my engagement proposal (she was expecting me to put her a ring in her hand when I simply asked for her hand to feel my heart beating for her, I had told her before we met up, I would propose to her when I would give her the laptop) and she replied "why would you want to marry me?" you weren't supposed to sell me an engagement ring,you would would sell me a laptop .Again I never talked about selling a ring. and she made clear she wouldnt want a laptop that didnt have a video card... then she wants to buy it now? then the day we met I asked if I could make fall inlove with me and she was hesistating but she never rejected me on the date. in fact it was quite the opposite to that.

Spoiler: more details about her behavior Iching always tells me 43 about her

side note Iching told me 4.3 you dont have any advantage in marrying this woman because when she sees a wealthy man she doesnt behave like her self. she once proposed me to date and share as if we were poor to not spend money in her, and once I talked about buying a phone she asked me to buy her one phone. the same phone she was insisting to make me buy her on december as an excuse (would you mind looking for a cheaper phone where you buy? I saw it was more expensive in the US so I told her that also made an excuse) anyway she ended getting the phone(she put 50% ) and I the other 50%... anyway once she received the money ofr the phone she didnt behave lovingly and she didnt want to keep dating

she tried to get someone(she even told me ) that met in this dating app to buy her a phone because hers wasnt working(she had problems with charging the battery) and then this person sent her $50... and guess what? she asked him for the same phone model...also funny note she mentioned as her sister had asked her if she had shown her breast to this man...

Spoiler: How I found out about LOA and why I tried to use some methods, even the ones about telepathy they worked always

I only did the LOA videos because I only searched for what is telepathy (thing we experienced) i was curious to learn about it and one of the search results was this channel which has pretty useful videos. I never looked for the law of attraction... I just found it. and mine is not a selfish desire because if it's based on the feeling of wanting her the best I am sure I am not selfish, I know i love her. but I dont desire her.
funny thing that once I mentioned that people used of her(I know she does this for money so she feel is not like this it's more a money source) she said people doesnt use her,but she had previously something entirely different... not sure if previous times she was acting or what..

this was after we met whenever I thought about the first time we met she ended texting me exactly at the time I was thinking about it, whenever I said her name twice, she texted me, I even found once writing to her at the same time she was sending me a message, I did a LOA thing where you said something and when I did it she was videocalling me to take off her brasier, but I didnt elt her instead I told her she wa smanipulating me(she was asking me to be quiet, as her mother was around) she ended the call

TDLR, indeed there was telepathy.but sometimes she wasn't the same kind of person(ality) I expect. as I found something meaningful something beyond the material world and she was only guided by lust and low emotions

anyway I asked iching what does she think about me 12.1.3
in 12.1 i always thought I would get an impacting event, I might who knows but interpretation means changing the outlook yes she doesnt like the idea of 'soulmates' I only find it the only explanation for telepathy, we are in a karmic relationship I know I have found her telling me things I had told my parent when I was a teenager things weren't nice, she repeated them to meshe even has the same personality traits I have, I told her some of them and she even acknlowged them as true, she like a mirror, I know i met her to learn about myself. it's karma I know.Not sure if I am her karma, but she disliked the anxious behavior she saw reflected from her mother on me(or so she had told me)
12.3 is me not acting correctly because I took things I had gifted her.

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anyway last night I told her I would give her the site I was writing(a store) also told her emotions wise how important was to me. I waited some minutes and I asked the iching what does she feel for me ? 42.1.5, now this si probaly the iching talking bout the email itself. and if it was tellling me she feels I have a kind heart that would surprise me

You quoted me then wrote a lot of stuff that shows you didn't hear me in any respect.



Anyway readings aside, and as far as I'm concerned I won't be looking at any of your readings as you've done 100s and it's not helping you it's just become another addiction. Asking then posting here has become another addiction.

One thing I notice is I find it really hard to read your posts. They're jumbled up, long, hard to see what the main points are, huge amounts of detail about what she said/did in response to what you said/did. I think one thing that might help more than readings at this time is getting some clarity and order in your mind. That can help with the turmoil and confusion you seem to be experiencing. One thing that might help, and also might help if you want people to actually look at the readings at some point, is if you tried to get an over view of the situation and sum it up, condense it all into a paragraph or 2.



Over time these are main points I have, and I don't read every word ..but you can correct them if wrong



Summary


You are obsessed with/highly attracted to a girl who is about 17 years old and is mentally quite unwell. The reason you say she is so disturbed is that she has been abused at home. You want to save her from all this. The two of you are communicating on social media a lot as well as some face to face contact. You bring her gifts, you travel a fair distance to see her sometimes and lately you proposed to her. However she responds in a highly unpredictable manner to your wooing. She has 'blocked' you on social media/phone/whatever at least 50 or 60 times, times too numerous to count. She then unblocks you just as often. You just don't know how to handle all of this so consult Yi for every blocking and unblocking and every change of heart she has. Sometimes you even think time of time of day you contact her is relevant and ask about that as if you think if you can just play it right it will be okay. You say her behaviour to you is hugely variable. One moment she will talk to you then she won't. Several time she has told you to leave her alone and has said you are harassing her. Her mother is somewhere in this mix too. You think she's a liar, you don't understand what's happening. In your mind you know you would do best to leave her alone and find another girl but you can't stop thinking about her/wanting her. This makes you look for signs from the universe and so on.





That's quite a lot even when I've tried to summarise. I've gleaned this information from many other threads of yours and also those where you had a different name.




I mean if we didn't have Yi I think it would look like this is a non starter. She's very young, highly disturbed and I doubt she could cope with a full on relationship at his point given she needs care and help more than having demands made upon her. You don't say how old you are ?

I don't understand the 'spoiler' thing. A spoiler is where one ruins a movie or book or something like that by giving away the ending or plot development too soon. You aren't giving us spoilers.

If I have the main FACTS wrong in my summary correct them. The main facts being her age, her home life, her mental state/your obsession. With those facts you can see quite clearly what you need to do. However you are doing readings as a means of avoiding reality. So more readings won't help or clarify they only help you avoid facing how things are.


If nothing else, if you decide to go on posting more threads about this, at least check out my summary and see if it accords with the basic story of it.

 

[Topher]

You quoted me then wrote a lot of stuff that shows you didn't hear me in any respect.



Anyway readings aside, and as far as I'm concerned I won't be looking at any of your readings as you've done 100s and it's not helping you it's just become another addiction. Asking then posting here has become another addiction.

One thing I notice is I find it really hard to read your posts. They're jumbled up, long, hard to see what the main points are, huge amounts of detail about what she said/did in response to what you said/did. I think one thing that might help more than readings at this time is getting some clarity and order in your mind. That can help with the turmoil and confusion you seem to be experiencing. One thing that might help, and also might help if you want people to actually look at the readings at some point, is if you tried to get an over view of the situation and sum it up, condense it all into a paragraph or 2.



Over time these are main points I have, and I don't read every word ..but you can correct them if wrong



Summary


You are obsessed with/highly attracted to a girl who is about 17 years old and is mentally quite unwell. The reason you say she is so disturbed is that she has been abused at home. You want to save her from all this. The two of you are communicating on social media a lot as well as some face to face contact. You bring her gifts, you travel a fair distance to see her sometimes and lately you proposed to her. However she responds in a highly unpredictable manner to your wooing. She has 'blocked' you on social media/phone/whatever at least 50 or 60 times, times too numerous to count. She then unblocks you just as often. You just don't know how to handle all of this so consult Yi for every blocking and unblocking and every change of heart she has. Sometimes you even think time of time of day you contact her is relevant and ask about that as if you think if you can just play it right it will be okay. You say her behaviour to you is hugely variable. One moment she will talk to you then she won't. Several time she has told you to leave her alone and has said you are harassing her. Her mother is somewhere in this mix too. You think she's a liar, you don't understand what's happening. In your mind you know you would do best to leave her alone and find another girl but you can't stop thinking about her/wanting her. This makes you look for signs from the universe and so on.





That's quite a lot even when I've tried to summarise. I've gleaned this information from many other threads of yours and also those where you had a different name.




I mean if we didn't have Yi I think it would look like this is a non starter. She's very young, highly disturbed and I doubt she could cope with a full on relationship at his point given she needs care and help more than having demands made upon her. You don't say how old you are ?

I don't understand the 'spoiler' thing. A spoiler is where one ruins a movie or book or something like that by giving away the ending or plot development too soon. You aren't giving us spoilers.

If I have the main FACTS wrong in my summary correct them. The main facts being her age, her home life, her mental state/your obsession. With those facts you can see quite clearly what you need to do. However you are doing readings as a means of avoiding reality. So more readings won't help or clarify they only help you avoid facing how things are.


If nothing else, if you decide to go on posting more threads about this, at least check out my summary and see if it accords with the basic story of it.

Replying to you summary, Past weeks I havent thought about her as much as I used to as I have been busy.

I had only asked the iching at the time she unblocked me because I thought there was a chance. and the hexagram interpretation didnt make much sense as 34 is using much force. and the line I had said with persistence you get good fortune... but how that made no sense at all...she had blocked me after that day but I also received 40 which means I should just leave her or she would leave me(blocked)

The only time she was truly serious about leaving her alone was the last time, only because either she was forced by her mother to return the gifts, and she disliked the fact her mother really knew where they came from, as does it make any sense to you, that you date and accept gifts from someone you say it's harrasing you?
that or ...
she disliked the fact I went her home, I think she might not have considered this (I dont know what to call this? friendship? relationship? manipulation?) as a serious relationship , but she accepted an engagement ring lol, but when why she would tell me otherwise (the only possibility is she was manipulating me for getting stuff) I wouldnt be surprised if she did, but what would surprise me is that she would treat me different when she heard about money, when she clearly said once something along the lines 'sharing with humility'

Since the last time I went her home she was the one who unblocked me(for no apparent reason because she only wanted to pay me with paypal, I clearly told her I prefered to get cash only because I believed that she wouldnt want to meet in person as she would say "You gifted me the laptop, and it's mine " when she clearly said she would pay it because we didnt have any sort of relationship the only reason I gave to her was because that first day we met I saw she had changed her mind but 2 weeks laterswhen i mentioned money she behaved different...It's ironic because i have received 4.3 many times

I didnt call her to her phone(thing she suggested me to do.. even buy a new number to call her when she would block me... but I wouldnt call her again unless she contacts me), I didnt visit her home , I didnt create accounts to try to send her mesages (thing she told m her ex did) on this dating app, I just sent her an email saying everything that iching suggested me to say. but I think 42.5 lately means if what I said wass truly kindhearted I would get supreme fortune, since 45.2 is an offering/sacrifice I believe if you

the other reason she could have had enough and wanted me to leave her alone

 

[Trojina]

You haven't made any response to my summary as to whether it's correct or not. You aren't a clear communicator, you don't tespond to whar people say and that is maybe part of the problem. Maybe you just never listen to her as you don't seem to listen to anybody else, you don't communicate.

 

[Olga Super Star]

does it make any sense to you, that you date and accept gifts from someone you say it's harrasing you?

I think she might not have considered this (I dont know what to call this? friendship? relationship? manipulation?) as a serious relationship , but she accepted an engagement ring lol

Are you sure it's not just in your mind?

As to accepting gifts, sometimes people do because they are nice and there is nothing wrong in accepting gifts. If someone keeps showing up everywhere and gives me a ring, I wouldn't throw it away. Sometimes things are such that it's embarrassing to even have to deal with them. Accepting a ring doesn't mean to be engaged.

Far from me to say that you are a stalker, but years ago I was on the verge of going to the police because a guy that I had seen twice (and only kissed once) believed there was something between us and I couldn't even make a phone call to my Mom because as soon as I switched my phone on, the phone began ringing and his name appeared on the screen. This lasted for days, he even waited for me to come home and surprised me downstairs, trying to force the door, I thought I was going crazy. I kept saying to leave me alone, he kept saying he couldn't understand and wanted explanations.

If two people are meant to be together, there isn't such drama, there is just willingness to be together and feeling at home. With a bit of physical attraction, to differentiate it from friendship.
There isn't much to ask and to understand when someone is not looking for you - or when they look for you only after 10 pm.

 

[Topher]

Are you sure it's not just in your mind?

As to accepting gifts, sometimes people do because they are nice and there is nothing wrong in accepting gifts. If someone keeps showing up everywhere and gives me a ring, I wouldn't throw it away. Sometimes things are such that it's embarrassing to even have to deal with them. Accepting a ring doesn't mean to be engaged.

Far from me to say that you are a stalker, but years ago I was on the verge of going to the police because a guy that I had seen twice (and only kissed once) believed there was something between us and I couldn't even make a phone call to my Mom because as soon as I switched my phone on, the phone began ringing and his name appeared on the screen. This lasted for days, he even waited for me to come home and surprised me downstairs, trying to force the door, I thought I was going crazy. I kept saying to leave me alone, he kept saying he couldn't understand and wanted explanations.

If two people are meant to be together, there isn't such drama, there is just willingness to be together and feeling at home. With a bit of physical attraction, to differentiate it from friendship.
There isn't much to ask and to understand when someone is not looking for you - or when they look for you only after 10 pm.

Wait. how could it be in my mind? here i will make you a followup of why things were real to later change to something well hard to describe

Spoiler: explanation of why it isn't in my head. this explains the whole contexts it will take a while to readbut explains everything

the events went like this I felt fustrated as the negative outlook form december and I was able to send her messages at this dating app while I couldn't as I was blocked in whatsapp because she got angry because for some odd reason she remembered what happened months ago plus made excuses to put barriers between us(she told me to not compliment her I did it only ONCE and the she compared me with someone who was interested about her,sexually at her job,her bosss...) and what I said was really naive.these were excuses because she seemed to want to get the pc without paying(she initially said she would pay for it since we didnt have any relationship and she was dating someone else, so I accepted her word,) that time she asked with too much persistence about my address when initially she said she wouldnt even go to my home, so it seemed suspicious to me. so I insisted with trying to fix the (I dont know what we had really not sure what to call it) because she initially said she would go with a musculous man(her own words not mine's) to pick the laptop up (when she would buy it) also said the person who she was dating coulc pick her phone up and read the conversation and by then as she always acts weird, even removed the last seen dated in her whatsapp and even her profile picture


So that's why she had blocked me,I was just telling her everythig I felt for her as saying farewell., but I tried to tell her with sincerity what I felt and mentioned many things, but the most relevant was that in a moment of desperation I felt I should propose her (mentioned I would propose to her when she picked the laptop up). and then after 3-4 days
she read the messages I had sent and he said :
"why would you want to marry me?"(notice why would YOU not why would I )
"I have just read the messages"
"why would you want to marry me?"
"you were supposed to sell me a laptop not an engagement ring"

I told her that (stupidly as iching told me to take a lower position 54) and I told her I would respect her decision if she wanted me to be her friend but if this perosn hurt her I would be willing to "heal" her heart make her feel better

not sure how she unblocked me off whatsapp and she was the first person to send me a happy new year message... anyway 2-3 days later she told me to meetup for the laptop, but she stayed long enough to be a date(2hours?3hours? I cant tell the time was going pretty slow with her but I remember she arrived at 11am-12pm and she went home at 2:30pm) . we were together while eating lunch,
this first date:
1)we kissed more than once (I didn't start anything)
2) when I asked for her hand (stupidly) she was hesitating but willing to give her hand(she was thinking it was for proposing her) it was to feel my heart...but i didnt clarify until later.
3)she told me "I don't really know if I would like to live my entire life with someone who eats like this) ,referring to me also said she said that her mother suffered anxiety aswell as I and she would get anxious
4) we found my mother as she was around and she even said that she would like to accompany her as she wanted to know the (loved's relative member lifestyle)...
5)before saying goodbye at the metro station I hugged her and I told her I loved her so much over everything else in the world. and she told me "I want you"

later I texted her and she said she thought I was cute, and I asked her if we could go out in another date, this week, the govt had some restriction on that time so we couldn't because she would need some papers as she lives 55km away

days later:
then when I mentioned to buy a phone as I was needing one(iching mentioned always 4.3 when referring to her) she asked me if I could buy her a phone I offered her just to pay a certain amount $70 as she needed something but she wanted a $140 phone so she took 2weeks to find the money to buy that phone.

the second date(when I proposed to her)
when we were going to meet this time to give her the money I made sure to have the ring she was waiting the last time...to propose to her as I proposed to her but she didnt say no, instead she was loving...anyway I told her before going to eat lunch that I was going to propose something to her, she opened her eyes wide open. and I think she knew already what it was when we were heading to the restaurant she said she would be exploiting me(using me) I didnt catch what she said

when we were in the restaurant I was going to take the ring and propose her when she told me..shh give me the ring. she didnt even let me say a word. she only asked me to hand the ring over to her. I told her I wanted to engage with her but she said she was too young and she hadn't studied and I said it would be in a future we would marry meanwhile we could meet each other(I didnt want to lose her) anyway she said she loved the ring, and I asked her before heading out off the restautant if she knew what the ring meant..she said it meant engagement, I thought she was implictly accepting..

as HEX4.3 said even though I gifted her a $175 laptop she changed entirely when she heard about money.(I found also that she asked me to buy the same phone that she asked someone else to buy her) tge difference she changed entirely when she heard money when a week earlier she said she wanted us to share humbly(without money)
when we went to the metro again she asked me to kiss her. and she faked an orgasm(so evidently I thought in my head, are you seriously doing this?) then she asked me what i felt and she said she faked it. of course she did... i told her i felt much more when I hugged her past week and she told me "I want you" (and it is the truth)
she even said in the metro(again) she doesn really know if she wanted to marry me, because she hadnt studied yet... anyway she was playing with the ring and she was considering it.

days after that she was faking she was looking for a phone(I knew she could connect to whatsapp)...

Spoiler: unimportant

anyway from there she started talking to someone else. when she got angry for some reason I dont remember she blocked me again... and I could talk in this dating app, so she told me with a poker face if I could be the person who increased her level at this dating app... I went from someone she loved to being used? anyway I turned the table to make another meetup? anyway this time she was only interested in the money (read my other thread)

the time she was mad at me when we saw the 3rd time she told me it wasnt romantic how I was (asking her to forgive me for what made her get angry) I told her to not block me she said she wouldn't i DIDNT wait as I should have and I told her why what we had was special, she didnt keep her word she blocked me

was it in my head? I only visited to her home once to give her a rose. chocolates and ask for forgiveness.also I had in mind to tell those things she received were a gift of mine(as I know she wouldnt tell her about me, so i would do it myself) also showed her mother anothe ring, I wanted to tell her the reason I went there was to at least ask her to be my girlfriend as least the last time she accepted the ring I wanted to make a formal relationship.when she arrived home her mother told her everything and she said I was harrasing her and put her mother and family against me (there was a huge difference between when I went first there just to leave these things at her home as she was out, because her aunt and mother weren't even against it, to when she arrived told her I was harrasing her I hadn't gone to her home before or texted her or called her)

If two people are meant to be together, there isn't such drama, there is just willingness to be together and feeling at home. With a bit of physical attraction, to differentiate it from friendship.
There isn't much to ask and to understand when someone is not looking for you - or when they look for you only after 10 pm.

what about if she isn't truly honest(her best friend said he was manipulative, so i knew it from things she told me before months ago, she is also selfindulgent meaning that things she does later changes the story ENTIRELY and puts the blame on someone else like she did with her 2 bosses and the deals she had with her for sex... but that is a different story) or emotionally stable(as she had told me before months ago)? anyway from what I tell this is a karmic relationship not that sort of meant to each other you are thinking about


now do you want me to move on or keep talking about her while I still blocked and I cant do anything about it. well I could but in your opinion is it worth the effort?

if there was a chance I would do it. without hesitating. as she doesnt seem to have a consistent behavior

 

[Topher]

You haven't made any response to my summary as to whether it's correct or not. You aren't a clear communicator, you don't tespond to whar people say and that is maybe part of the problem. Maybe you just never listen to her as you don't seem to listen to anybody else, you don't communicate.

your summary is mostly correct I was too shocked about what she said that every time someone mentions that I need to explain how things truly happened because you expect someone you love would behave different... also I dont feel obsession the past weeks I had lost something I felt for her like the depth of the love I had but that's due to the fact
1) she accusssed me of a horrible thing
2) when she went to give me the stuff back she was accompanied by a friend (who probably she is dating ...
3) I have been hurt emotionally first time in my life that I have been deceived in such way.

hopefully I found I dont have problem recovering from emotional problems like this(I dont know if I should explain the reason why... I will explain the reasons why but I will extend why I am explaining it.

I found the she and I both are in certain way the opposite of the other condition's and at times the same

Spoiler: too many concincidences for people who met from total different places, and randomly from internet

she is self indulgent and selfish (blames anyone to feel herself better, these 2 are symptons of BPD) I am codependent(just learned it) and I am willing to take the blame of things
she doesnt care about strangers and use them, I found I was the same but she was a mirror to me. I found that this is karma showing how I am
she deceives people in believing her lies, I would lie depending on the circumstance but only if needed
she likes to manipulate people to do things for her without asking, I had read a book about manipulation and she ended using any tactics from it(like a Narccism suffering person), I found unconciously I had learned this behavior from my father where he uses emotions to manipulate people(as she told me she didn't like I told her I felt bad when she was away)
I found she was a mirror on how she expresses her emotions that seemes so similar to how I do it.
she's inpatient she want to do things on her own way without taking morals in considerations I am impatient but I wouldnt ever take the morals out of the decisions.
she doesnt even thank people for things they have done to her. as I did when I was her age.
I found her repeating things TO ME that I had told my parents when i was younger the exact same words.

while we felt this love it ony took thinking about the time we met to get a text from her, think about her to get a text from her(without previous communication), sometimes saying her name? a whatsapp message.going to text her? she was tetxting me at the same time I was writing.. asking to the Universe for a chance to talk to her? the next day she unblocked me to send me a message(happened 3 times) when we were without communication? found by a weird impulse I had to check her conversation and I saw that her phone was connected(on december)

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I fear no karma I fear losing what I love the most.
how do you draw what seem to dispel from nature? and at the same time seemed the opposite at times, that is attracted then you get dispelled by karma(owns actions or own behaviors from each)?

 

[Olga Super Star]

I don’t understand why you gave the ring to her mother.

Anyway things don’t stay the same. even if she told you she likes you it doesn’t mean she still does.
Especially at 17! People change boyfriend every other week.

Also you don’t seem to mention it but how many times did you kiss?
Do you kiss every time you see her? If you don’t, that’s what I meant by saying it’s in your mind.

 

[Topher]

I don’t understand why you gave the ring to her mother.

Anyway things don’t stay the same. even if she told you she likes you it doesn’t mean she still does.
Especially at 17! People change boyfriend every other week.

Also you don’t seem to mention it but how many times did you kiss?
Do you kiss every time you see her? If you don’t, that’s what I meant by saying it’s in your mind.

I just showed her mother to her mother, now I believe she didnt want her mother to know about me for some reason but oddily her mother wasnt unpleased by me wanting to ask for her daughter's hand... the first time? 5 times? the second only once and she faked to be moaning (I know for certain that she really treat people who give her money as if she was offering a sexual favor or some sort..due to things she told me seemed every single interaction with the persons she disliked was due to some sexual interst in her while I hadnt expressed that to her,...)

I think iching was pretty accurate when refers to her as 4.3(doesnt behave like she is when she hears about money) and 44UC(someone who uses sexuality to attract people) funny because while we interacted she was the one trying to make me fall with sexual attraction(I am going to be clear she at times called me just to take her bra off while I tried to carry a conversation with her via videochat) and 27.6 (someone who is sought after and doesnt mind losing someone even if he loved her, becaue she sees so many people after her she didnt mind about me)

ah but when she needed someone who support her emotionally and understood her who did she want to call or chat with? me but I didnt mind doing it because I love her

 

[moss elk]

(I know for certain that she really treat people who give her money as if she was offering a sexual favor or some sort.)

and Are you surpised by that,
knowing she is an underage pornographer?
(a cam girl/ virtual prostitute)

Is that how you met her,
by the way? (don't act offended, it's a natural question and you volunteered that info)

I love her

No, you don't.
You are obsessed with her.
Not the same at all.
And she certainly doesn't love you.

So, Yi has told you she is a gold digger.
Yi has counseled you away from her more times than I can count.

What will you do now, Topher?

 

[Olga Super Star]

When people don’t want their mother or friends to know about you it usually means they are ashamed of you. Bad sign.

 

[Olga Super Star]

I am going to be clear she at times called me just to take her bra off while I tried to carry a conversation with her via videochat

Excuse me?!

 

[Topher]

and Are you surpised by that,
knowing she is an underage pornographer?
(a cam girl/ virtual prostitute)

Is that how you met her,
by the way? (don't act offended, it's a natural question and you volunteered that info)





No, you don't.
You are obsessed with her.
Not the same at all.
And she certainly doesn't love you.

So, Yi has told you she is a gold digger.
Yi has counseled you away from her more times than I can count.

What will you do now, Topher?

Technically i met her a a dating app when I met her she was depressed and somehow she thought (she told me when we were dating, and I asked why she would send me an delete "I love you" when we just met in this app) she told me she thought I was special

She acts like this: she says she doesnt love me when She was angry and when she is not she feels something close to love

What will I do? I just asked that to iching told me 18.2.6 it certainly tells me to try to solve the issue in a non public way

Only thing I could do is just do that once I cant do much when someone is accusing you of something you haven't done

My biggest question is why the last time I had asked if I should continue and go after her I was given this answer it was rather than obvious It was the signal, now makes me wonder because she told me clearly she wouldn't meet with me to give me the thinga back until the 28th as you see she contacted me at the time of the OP, and she didn't know that week of the 28th there was a restriction, she could have told me about sending me the money the next saturday she could even have messaged me a day earlier than when I asked this question

I know that whatever you could ask using LOAS videos would work

 

[Topher]

Excuse me?!

She was the one who always tried to attract me to her that way, for example the most recent time was I think a time before the second date she wanted me to be quuet because her mother was around I think she didn't want to let her know about people she knew or wasn't too interested in a formal relationship or because her mother wouldn't like it(unlikely as her mother told me she was the one who had to take the decision to accept or reject the compromise)

Last time she had started a videocall was when she felt bad about her college admision so she thought I could make her feel better, the thing is that she didn't like my opinion and looked someone else to comfort her and thats why she is probably interested in that other person who accepted her fear rather telling her to Chase her dream, basically she was told by this other person to study something she doesn't know she likes (she didn't even know what she wanted to study but she knew what she liked) in a college that wasnt the one she dreamed to study on all because she has an irrational fear that for not studying a year(she could prepare in something else that time) she would end up like her parents who doesn't have a college degree

 

[Topher]

Excuse me?!

She was the one who always tried to seduce? manipulate? me that way, for example the most recent time was a time before the second date after the second date for some reason she changed her mind(she saw money and well 4.3) she only saw that since I had given her money she would take me as the other people she only exchange her nudes or even sexual services? who are only people who doesnt deserve any affection, I know it's fucked up but it's her mind which is fucked up, i only love her for who she is not what she had done in her past

Last time she had started a videocall was when she felt depressed about her college starting date so she thought I could make her feel better, the thing is that she didn't like my opinion and looked someone else to comfort her and thats why she is probably interested in that other person who accepted her fear rather telling her to Chase her dream, basically she was told by this other person to study something she doesn't know she likes (she didn't even know what she wanted to study but she knew what she liked) in a college that wasnt the one she dreamed to study on all because she has an irrational fear that for not studying a year(she could prepare in something else that time) she would end up like her parents who doesn't have a coooe

 

[eyedrian]

Man, she has you by your balls

 

[ZeroPoint]

I can stop caring about her I had stopped feeling anything about her during 3weeks I had taken a job, she was self-indulgent

Spoiler: why she is self indulgent

(as I know she always is), for example she once told me was going to take a job where she (SHE DOESNT HAVE WORKING EXPERIENCE) was hired for something which payment rate was too high, at the end she told me he proposed her to giver her money for sex.I think she accepted.then months after that she told me that he abused her...(totally different story that told me then)

She was hurtful btecause the only single time I went her home (though I didnt do anything wrong, I only didnt want to give her money for something she didnt tell me before)to ask for forgiveness she accusssed me of harrassing her with her mother(she didnt want her to know about me because once we were talking in a videocall to "fix" some problem the laptop I gifted her had, I asked her if I could tell her I love her, she said not in front of her mother), when it was a lie I had only gone to her home once and I hadnt contacted her the entire week since she got angry. also I had told her mother everything I had gifted to her and the times we went to eat, I should have told her the times she told me wanted me, not sure if I was unconciously guiding myself for recovering the things I gave her or wanted to give proof her mother that she indeed felt something because let's be honest You dont accept an ENGAGEMENT RING from a friend

Spoiler: more of her lies

(she said that once to me I assume she said to everyone else)

I even made sure to ask her " D , we arent friend, what are we? " she replied :"We are dating".

so she changed her mind 1-2 week and I know that going her home was probably a move to avoid her taking advantage of me any further but I also went there to ask for forgiveness. I had taken a 4-5hour trip with a chocolate, a chocolate desssert and a rose,to a state I dont know, I hadnt eaten then, and I wasnt expecting this could happen but she wasnt expecting I would be able to tell her mother and her family things she was hiding from them.

what's funny is that when she contacted me to give me the things back, basically she told me I had gifted her the laptop, yes I did but only because I knew she was feeling something for me, before she told me she wouldn't accept it because we weren't anything. I repeated her words.at the time we met she even was willing to take my engagement proposal (she was expecting me to put her a ring in her hand when I simply asked for her hand to feel my heart beating for her, I had told her before we met up, I would propose to her when I would give her the laptop) and she replied "why would you want to marry me?" you weren't supposed to sell me an engagement ring,you would would sell me a laptop .Again I never talked about selling a ring. and she made clear she wouldnt want a laptop that didnt have a video card... then she wants to buy it now? then the day we met I asked if I could make fall inlove with me and she was hesistating but she never rejected me on the date. in fact it was quite the opposite to that.

Spoiler: more details about her behavior Iching always tells me 43 about her

side note Iching told me 4.3 you dont have any advantage in marrying this woman because when she sees a wealthy man she doesnt behave like her self. she once proposed me to date and share as if we were poor to not spend money in her, and once I talked about buying a phone she asked me to buy her one phone. the same phone she was insisting to make me buy her on december as an excuse (would you mind looking for a cheaper phone where you buy? I saw it was more expensive in the US so I told her that also made an excuse) anyway she ended getting the phone(she put 50% ) and I the other 50%... anyway once she received the money ofr the phone she didnt behave lovingly and she didnt want to keep dating

she tried to get someone(she even told me ) that met in this dating app to buy her a phone because hers wasnt working(she had problems with charging the battery) and then this person sent her $50... and guess what? she asked him for the same phone model...also funny note she mentioned as her sister had asked her if she had shown her breast to this man...

Spoiler: How I found out about LOA and why I tried to use some methods, even the ones about telepathy they worked always

I only did the LOA videos because I only searched for what is telepathy (thing we experienced) i was curious to learn about it and one of the search results was this channel which has pretty useful videos. I never looked for the law of attraction... I just found it. and mine is not a selfish desire because if it's based on the feeling of wanting her the best I am sure I am not selfish, I know i love her. but I dont desire her.
funny thing that once I mentioned that people used of her(I know she does this for money so she feel is not like this it's more a money source) she said people doesnt use her,but she had previously something entirely different... not sure if previous times she was acting or what..

this was after we met whenever I thought about the first time we met she ended texting me exactly at the time I was thinking about it, whenever I said her name twice, she texted me, I even found once writing to her at the same time she was sending me a message, I did a LOA thing where you said something and when I did it she was videocalling me to take off her brasier, but I didnt elt her instead I told her she wa smanipulating me(she was asking me to be quiet, as her mother was around) she ended the call

TDLR, indeed there was telepathy.but sometimes she wasn't the same kind of person(ality) I expect. as I found something meaningful something beyond the material world and she was only guided by lust and low emotions

anyway I asked iching what does she think about me 12.1.3
in 12.1 i always thought I would get an impacting event, I might who knows but interpretation means changing the outlook yes she doesnt like the idea of 'soulmates' I only find it the only explanation for telepathy, we are in a karmic relationship I know I have found her telling me things I had told my parent when I was a teenager things weren't nice, she repeated them to meshe even has the same personality traits I have, I told her some of them and she even acknlowged them as true, she like a mirror, I know i met her to learn about myself. it's karma I know.Not sure if I am her karma, but she disliked the anxious behavior she saw reflected from her mother on me(or so she had told me)
12.3 is me not acting correctly because I took things I had gifted her.

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anyway last night I told her I would give her the site I was writing(a store) also told her emotions wise how important was to me. I waited some minutes and I asked the iching what does she feel for me ? 42.1.5, now this si probaly the iching talking bout the email itself. and if it was tellling me she feels I have a kind heart that would surprise me

This is starting to sound like you aren't respecting her boundaries. You can't control, and are not responsible, for her behavior. Only yours.

And that is important to you to blame her, and that it is important to you that we agree with you that it's right to blame her.

We can explain it to you, but we can't understand it for you.

And, therefore, because you aren't getting the answer you want, you keep asking and doing what you want anyway.

And the posting is starting to feel, to me, like attention- seeking from the forum what you cannot get from your target. There's a diagnosis for this.

Notice I said "target." She's not your friend. She's done with you. She's trying to clean up. Every sign you get that doesn't feed your need gets "talked away"as if all your words will change it.

That's a common problem with magic in general and divination in particular: never rely on magic when practical good sense will do.

Consider counseling-- it can help in the right circumstances, and a stranger on the internet isn't going to able to help you like a professional can. The pro actually knows you.

 

[Topher]

This is starting to sound like you aren't respecting her boundaries. You can't control, and are not responsible, for her behavior. Only yours.

And that is important to you to blame her, and that it is important to you that we agree with you that it's right to blame her.

We can explain it to you, but we can't understand it for you.

And, therefore, because you aren't getting the answer you want, you keep asking and doing what you want anyway.

And the posting is starting to feel, to me, like attention- seeking from the forum what you cannot get from your target. There's a diagnosis for this.

Notice I said "target." She's not your friend. She's done with you. She's trying to clean up. Every sign you get that doesn't feed your need gets "talked away"as if all your words will change it.

That's a common problem with magic in general and divination in particular: never rely on magic when practical good sense will do.

Consider counseling-- it can help in the right circumstances, and a stranger on the internet isn't going to able to help you like a professional can. The pro actually knows you.

I appareciate your advice certianly I have broken boundaries but you are totally wrong about attention and certainly I have found that I wasnt the one who caused this change on her. as she changed entirely since she got the phone and stopped communication with me someone had changed her mind in those 3-4days we stopped talking. and then wanted to clean up because she was under someone else influence.

so her choice wasnt guided by herself but someone else trying to woo her. as latter i found.also there is no help that can make me feel better It doesnt matter if the outer world is a reflection of your inner world. there was a vulture around and that doesnt make me guilty for her wanting to cut all together by being influeced. She even was influenced and used by her fear to study for whatever reason but forget entirely about her dream and her dream college due to fear. I certaintly cant express things I cant see so I seek guidance from someone wiser than me, but apparently what I get a blind judgements and vry judgamental opinions I had loved her so much that nothing else matter so much in my world that I feel nothing else is special at all I now understand why the iching suggested me 25.4 before writing this post, even if I had left all hopes I feel beaten and broken emotionally I know If I had a chance as universe could give me I wouldnt hesitate to take it and turns things around

 

[moss elk]

I certaintly cant express things I cant see so I seek guidance from someone wiser than me, but apparently what I get a blind judgements and vry judgamental opinions

Yes, we that try to help you,
and we who see what you do not,
are the blind ones.

It couldn't possibly be that the marital suitor is the one blinded here.
(hasn't that been a meme for thousands of years now?)


Good luck little dude,
you are going to need it.

 

[Topher]

Yes, we that try to help you,
and we who see what you do not,
are the blind ones.

It couldn't possibly be that the marital suitor is the one blinded here.
(hasn't that been a meme for thousands of years now?)


Good luck little dude,
you are going to need it.

No I dont refer to that I refer to the judgment to what I have done is wrong when certiainly there were factors that not even myself considered like someone else influencing her, due to the dumb idea of trusting her friends. guess what

she was talking about her friend (no names said) to learn something i offered to teach her by her own, a friend suggested her a college that doesnt fit what she dreamed abour and whoever accompanied her was her friend. so what do you think I have done wrong if someone else was manipulating her decisions on every single step i didnt want to take in considerations that? what can I do if I dont even live nearby her city while her friend does, she had an entirely different behavior before she stopped communicating with me for 2-3days probably enough time to change her mind as easy as it is

I dont think you get the right message when I replied that one person who basically is calling you implictly that you need psychological help due to not having the best conditions when acted with a person who isn't always the most constant with her opinon. before she even stopped talking to me she said she loved me but yeah. I admit I have crossed limits I shouldnt have but those limits were crosssed because I felt I was being taken advantage by her and also my dumb motivation that I wanted forgiveness that probably wasnt the reason made me say everything I said to her mother, she stopped wanting something as someone else put in the middle of the 'hard-to-describe' relationship there was here... she couldnt even change her mind on her own because she said herself we were dating at the end of that date. so who's to blame?

I had received 25.4 before even checking this thread for certain you know that iching is telling me to not fall as victim of someone else opinions or let me be put down by others

I never have ever said you were wrong but things that happened and that I dont know acknoledge entirely are the ones that made one act wtihout knowing what exactly is to do. oddily i had asked iching if should tell her anything of what i have mentioned and well 15.6 iching tells me to be humble and limit to one's problems rather blaming on others as wing says