Unorthodox Divinations

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I was wondering what anyone else things about asking the yijing questions of a sort that may be less than orthodox.

I mean what if you ask it a question like this:

"WTF is wrong with that hoe?"

Or something to that effect, a question that wouldn't normally be put to a oracle with God. A less than serious contemplative question in other words, that may come off as profane, eccentric or judgmental?

Anyone have much experience in this?

 

[Trojina]

You may be interested in reading this blog from a very well respected author on the Yi JIng...aka Steve Marshall who wrote Mandate of Heaven


http://www.biroco.com/journal.htm#modern_malady


thought you might find it interesting...especially the May 4th entry re questioning

Luis already posted these in Open Space...thanks Luis

What you call 'orthodox' may not be at all if Yi was originally basically used for pretty functional questions

 

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ah thx... your response somewhat regards both my treads i recently posted...

i had quit the yijing for a year and a half. then one dark night i picked it up again... recently ive found it a puzzle to crack...

maybe i should give it up again... it does not seem to have improved my life much. if not disproved instead. heh...

your responses to the threads i posted about issues in society seemed wrong to me BTW. You seem to have been waiting a long time for a response as you bring it up in almost every thread i post. so i thought id just let u know...

 

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do you think its the devil?

i dont thing what is written is evil but perhaps the results of divination are?

it is interesting how the number 6 is the number of lines in a hexagram

if you look at the number 666
you can see it as a big value or a series of 6s

so who knows i dont fully trust the yijing myself. i seem to do better without it infact.

it gives me the impression that i can know anything i want at anytime. but this is false. it does not even always give direct answers... its answers are vague and difficult to understand where to place.

then its ****ing addictive also. its like a drug...

 

[Trojina]

do you think its the devil?

No. But if answers from Yi start to really bug you it helps to have a break from it...and come back to it later. Often then things become much clearer

Also when you say your life has not improved you may be using standards that are societys rather than 'true' values

IOW what we are taught to see as unfortunate in our culture, such as being alone or being poor, the I Ching may see as part of a natural cycle or even fortunate.

One of the best things about being able to consult the I Ching is I think it gives one some independence of thought from the prevailing cultural norms we live in. I have even started to feel pity for those who don't have it as a resource

 

[Trojina]

do you think its the devil?

i dont thing what is written is evil but perhaps the results of divination are?

it is interesting how the number 6 is the number of lines in a hexagram

if you look at the number 666
you can see it as a big value or a series of 6s

so who knows i dont fully trust the yijing myself. i seem to do better without it infact.

it gives me the impression that i can know anything i want at anytime. but this is false. it does not even always give direct answers... its answers are vague and difficult to understand where to place.

then its ****ing addictive also. its like a drug...

I agree absolutely thats false...but i don't think the I ching is leading you to that false assumption...maybe its what you've read here and elsewhere ?

Its not a servant, a genii who will give you anything you want. I think it will give you what you need to know whhich includes giving indirect answers. Its bound to be difficult to understand given its written in ancient china in poetic form then translated


You can always use other things as oracles.... I have a book written in plain english which now and then, when i feel the urge I use as an oracle. I don't know why but it seems to work.

 

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No. But if answers from Yi start to really bug you it helps to have a break from it...and come back to it later. Often then things become much clearer

Also when you say your life has not improved you may be using standards that are societys rather than 'true' values

I don't really see it as a threat. I used to want to see how long I could go without using it. And a couple of months ago I got to my omega point. making it a little over a year and a half... almost 2 years. It was 4 am like it is tonight, and I wanted to rest but could not, had allot of things on my mind and work to finish... I figured I needed some guidance. (And by that point allot of things had been building up with me seeing no strategy to resolve)

IOW what we are taught to see as unfortunate in our culture, such as being alone or being poor, the I Ching may see as part of a natural cycle or even fortunate.

One of the best things about being able to consult the I Ching is I think it gives one some independence of thought from the prevailing cultural norms we live in. I have even started to feel pity for those who don't have it as a resource

Ur right, the Yijing does seem to show things as fortunate where as society looks at as total sign of decrepitude. Like you said, being alone or poor, neither of these things is bad if you see things from a bigger perspective which the Yijing allows.

The independence of thought is particularly why I use it. It's a relief from dogma, or political correctness or cultural values and norms.

Frankly I've felt that same pity for those who do not have it as a resource. At times i'm really able to have a totally text message conversation with it. At other times not...

I agree absolutely thats false...but i don't think the I ching is leading you to that false assumption...maybe its what you've read here and elsewhere ?

Its not a servant, a genii who will give you anything you want. I think it will give you what you need to know whhich includes giving indirect answers. Its bound to be difficult to understand given its written in ancient china in poetic form then translated

You can always use other things as oracles.... I have a book written in plain english which now and then, when i feel the urge I use as an oracle. I don't know why but it seems to work.

Allot of my use of habit has come from this site, but actually I've mostly gotten past that after my break. I don't really fear it's answers as I used to... as much. Although it doesn't seem to relish yes or no type questions.

Very astute in what you said, how the indirect answers may indeed be it's way of assistance in a situation. I think I even pissed it off one time where I got hexagram 20.4 telling me not to use the Yijing as a tool. Thats kind of how I took it. Although it may have meant something else. It seems to have a personality, a consciousness.

Perhaps it's indirect answer want you to just soften the glare, let go and untie the knots of attachment.

 

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Since my Jupiter is in Scorpio I just have a very difficult time resisting this sort of thing. I feel sort of like i'm missing out without it. But at other times I do try to zero in too much on information and then get very upset that the Yijing won't tell me. Thats my virgo sun in action perhaps...

However taking a break from it allowed me to look into astrology, which is very much more down to earth than this cosmic 64 sequence of hexagrams. Now I can mention this Astrology stuff in conversation like I am here. =)

I think it's probably good to use, (if attracted to the occult) other forms of occultism as well for one's satisfaction... I've never used the Tarot though.

I still consider myself christian however, which is a bummer that most people who call themselves that would call me a devil worshiper for using this Yijing book of divination. Of course I would tell them that I think what they call Christianity is more preistcraft than real Christ oriented knowledge.

Dependence I think is the worst thing... Depending on the Yijing. I think this is when the Yijing gives you indirect answers. It doesn't want you to need it. It doesn't really want to pull your chestnuts out of the fire, it just wants to help... Like a normal person would really. Would rather you take care of your own **** and then with a fresh mind have something to offer the Yijing.

 

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do you think its the devil?

Think of it as a mirror, Cyclo. If you find the devil in it, now you know where the devil is coming from. Are you totally unaware of your provocative attitude?

 

[Sparhawk]

do you think its the devil?

Yes, and this is what happens with overuse...

 

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Think of it as a mirror, Cyclo. If you find the devil in it, now you know where the devil is coming from. Are totally unaware of your provocative attitude?

I don't think of it as a mirror. No. If it was a mirror I could predict everything it would say and control it's outcome. if it was a mirror i would see my reflection. Sometimes i do, but id say more often not. Do you think provocativeness is evil? i personally think that avoidance and flattery are evil. Dogs are the most provacative creatures Ive ever met. but are they evil? nothing beats a dog as a friend.

also god is pretty provacative.

i think im mostly exhausting for most people, as my sense of expression is very strong. i was told that by my astrologer, and i think she is right.

I don't think the Yijing is evil or divination evil. But I've often wondered. I think depending on it is evil. It doesn't seem to want anyone to depend on it's answers either. So it must be good heh.

Yes, and this is what happens with overuse...

haha.

I had to cut mine off... shh don't tell Pocossin.

 

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if its just a mirror then can one use it to get outside unknown information?

 

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I don't think of it as a mirror.

You should. It would do you good.

No. If it was a mirror I could predict everything it would say and control it's outcome.

No you can't. You aren't self-aware enough. Know thyself.

Do you think provocativeness is evil?

Suffering that we create for ourselves we experience as evil. Have you no idea where your troubles are coming from? Hint: it isn't your relatives, your fellow students, your college administration, the police. . .

I don't think the Yijing is evil or divination evil. But I've often wondered. I think depending on it is evil.

Anything can be used evilly.

shh don't tell Pocossin

Doesn't matter. I'll just ask the Yi

 

[pocossin]

if its just a mirror then can one use it to get outside unknown information?

That is a good question. We are grounded in the world, so anything that reflects us reflects the word in the background behind us. So, yes, we can use it to get outside unknown information because the information is there but unrecognized. It is occulted by ego. "The truth is always hidden in plain sight".

 

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well u think i have some character flaw but are too 'subtle' and 'wise' to come out and say it. i think its cowardly. you think by having me say this, before you come out and say it (without hinting) in fact is then verifying what you see, thus you must be right. but you are not. you have on some pair of goggles that reinforce your own sense of the way things are... somewhere along the line pocossin somebody told you ppl like me are bad, and they got you to belive it so deeply that you feel it as a imminent truth.

mabye you should get to 'know thyself' yourself.
and step out off that highly decorated peak in that glittering castle, and take a trip around the neighboring lands, you may be an old timer but you still should learn a few things i think.

 

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mabye you should get to 'know thyself' yourself.
and step out off that highly decorated peak in that glittering castle, and take a trip around the neighboring lands, you may be an old timer but you still should learn a few things i think.

Thanks for the compliments, Cyclo. It's an honor to be on your hit list along with your relatives, your fellow students, your college administration, the police. . .

 

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lol, my pleasure.