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Hello again,
this cast bothers me a lot, seeing it as a prediction for what I am afraid might happen as a result of choices I will have to make eventually .
Being at the place of utter insecurity and not knowing how any aspect of my life will unfold, asked What 2014. brings, at its most important aspects? hex 56.5,6 into 31

Perhaps i should offer my ideas for meanings but I hesitate doing it because people who answer back tend to be subjective knowing only some facts which leads to more explaining etc...but some context needs to exist, so as objectively as I can:
At the moment, I am without income in a country that is in disastrous state economically speaking.
I am living in an apartment alone but owning only half of it legally-another half belongs to my sister who wants to sell it as soon as possible and is pressuring me but does not seem to want to invest into the enterprise economically, which leaves me with debts and torn between needing to resolve the situation and inability in fixing the place for achieving a better price all by myself.
I am sad to leave, especially knowing that there will not be enough money to get a place that would satisfy my wishes as it is the first time in my life I am in this free field kind of situation and want to cut all connections that are burdening my thinned nerves after years of struggling with illness, unemployment and disappointments by starting as it will, in a new place.

Being of the age when some kind of security in everyday life is needed, I fear it is too late to pick up my bags and just leave wherever as I have no special skills perfected to be in demand in professional field and in no spirits to boost.

Saying all of this, I see the reading as telling me that I will sacrifice something (selling the place?, get menial job) in order to achieve something else worth having.
Legge: The fifth line, magnetic, shows its subject shooting a pheasant. She will lose her arrow, but in the end she will obtain praise and a high charge.

Your aspiration exceeds your comprehension.
Sacrifice a small reward now and receive a big one later on.
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BUT..I will or may mess it up (consoling myself it is top yang line)
Legge: The sixth line, dynamic, suggests the idea of a bird burning its nest. The stranger, thus represented, first laughs and then cries out. He has lost his ox-like docility too readily and easily. There will be evil.

A bird, as a creature of the air, the realm of thought, can symbolize an idea or concept. A nest suggests the foundation, or resting place of a thought -- a necessary premise upon which the thought is founded. To burn up a necessary premise, foundation, or whatever, suggests thought that has transcended the bounds of reality -- i.e., fantasy, or illusion.
If this is the only changing line, the hexagram becomes number sixty-two, Small Powers, the corresponding line of which also images a bird transcending its proper bounds. The wanderer here is arrogant, and as Legge points out, "carelessly self-sufficient." The line sometimes implies some harsh truths about an overly intellectual approach to life.

by making decisions I will regret, burning bridges (trojan`s take on the 6th line) obruptly-it may seem, but loose out in the end or just realize that my hopes and ideas for better life are too grand?
I do not know which is worse.

Hex 31 is a bit of a temptress, :flirt:in one way or another. One has to do things out of some conviction. This could be about another aspect of life, I guess, but 56.6 still is not auspicious.


Any experiences with 56.6? Thank you,d.:bows:
 

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Being of the age when some kind of security in everyday life is needed, I fear it is too late to pick up my bags and just leave wherever as I have no special skills perfected to be in demand in professional field and in no spirits to boost.

very briefly, you are 40 something years old yet speak like you are ancient. In 10 years time I guarantee you will think yourself young now. Of course nothing is too late.

This cast suggests to me you may need to be a bit more adventurous and follow where you are pulled even if it means burning some bridges (56.6) Most definitely your low spirits are your main problem I think.

Make a list of all the great assets you do have and think about them.
 
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Hi dragona, I agree with trojan. You know Ive been in the same place as you a number of times over the last 5 years. The best thing I've found, is to go with that saying 'Let go and Let God' not always easy and some days I literally sit there and talk myself into letting go cause you know what you can either do that or kill yourself and I sure as hell know I'm not gonna take the 2nd option.
I'm with trojan on making that list too and thinking about them because ALL of us have something to offer this World and it's just about the process of getting us there. If you keep fighting against what's going on then you're gonna go nowhere fast but if you work with it who knows what new adventures, places and people you will get to and meet. - Liss
 

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At the moment, I am without income in a country that is in disastrous state economically speaking.
I am living in an apartment alone but owning only half of it legally-another half belongs to my sister who wants to sell it as soon as possible and is pressuring me but does not seem to want to invest into the enterprise economically, which leaves me with debts and torn between needing to resolve the situation and inability in fixing the place for achieving a better price all by myself.

I am sad to leave, especially knowing that there will not be enough money to get a place that would satisfy my wishes...

Does anyone think that 56.6 might be describing Dragona's sister?

Hilary's commentary from her book says:

"Hai danced his own dance at Yi. This is authentic self-expression, heedless of your environment, not connecting with other people or considering their expectations. When you do things your own way and on your own terms, and assume (or demand) that others will adapt, this is satisfying at first , and utterly disastrous in the end."

Who's doing the demanding here, and dancing her own dance heedless of anything else? It doesn't sound like Dragona, I don't think.

"The bird burns its nest" from the text of 56.6 - Dragona's sister wants to sell an apartment they actually own (their "nest"), seemingly without caring to maximize its value by fixing it up, and possibly (though Dragona didn't say this) in a bad real estate market. Also, her sister could be thought of as the "travelling person" in the text, in the sense of not wanting to own property.

Having said that, I'm not sure what point Yi is making, or what the actual advice is. Unless it's that Dragona will have to spend 2014 trying to "Influence" (hex 31) her sister not to do this?

Thoughts, anyone? :confused:

(Must confess, Dragona, that after reading about the dear cats you take care of in your neighborhood, I don't want you to leave it/them :(.)
 

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I'm with trojan on making that list too and thinking about them because ALL of us have something to offer this World and it's just about the process of getting us there. If you keep fighting against what's going on then you're gonna go nowhere fast but if you work with it who knows what new adventures, places and people you will get to and meet. - Liss
I was being literal. I have a degree without any work experience in that field and in few others, I get cut off in various stages of actually mastering to an confidence giving degree. It is the most frustrating thing in my life, not being really good in some field as specialization is easier to get you a job.
Possible human qualities vs. specialization-hm....
Not fighting it I try, but I feel constantly pushed around without any control and it is hard for me to be bigger person all of the time.

Does anyone think that 56.6 might be describing Dragona's sister?

Interesting view. But is is not her nest as she has her own family. I am in a way of money needed. She wants me to act faster, get a job, fix, sell, but I am just feeling down by everything that has happened and circumstances are hard as it is, so no great will to fight within me.
And when someone looks at you with barely masked disgust, you tend to suffer within, since you were told all your life how great that person is, and to you it was-till you were of use, doing what was expected.
It burdens me more than it should, this relationship. It is me who wants to burn the bridges because I feel it is all about the money and competition.
FWY, to clarify
What should be my stand/how should I regard my sister? 19.1<7
Do not let her (hanging over my head) bother me as much?

The place needs touch-ups, at least for better impression to sell because yes, the market has dropped, but the weather has been really bad and it needs money to do it and right now, weather is clearing but money is not.
That will, I am sure, lead to further resentments. When I asked for free help from her own household, while ago, there just was not TIME and hardly seems it will be. I says seems, as I am expected to act as told, not in the know of their plans and not interested, really.

It is the main theme of the cast, then, is it? >Wish it wasn`t.
 
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Hi Dragona,

I do not think that the original reading is unsettling, but rather offers food for thought, and hope. 56 seems to be an accurate description of your current state - unsettled, and not having a permanent home. To me it advises you to accept this circumstance, and get moving :) As you mention you live in a country where employment is scarce, it would seem to me like a hint to take your bags and move to another country where things may be better. Line 5 advises to show people your qualities ("Circumstances often cause a man to seek a home in foreign parts. If he knows how to meet the situation and how to introduce himself in the right way, he may find a circle of friends and a sphere of activity even in a strange country.")

You may think you have no marketable qualities, but I agree with the posters above, that this might be more due to your low spirits, than to actual deficiency. Show people your good sides, and they may react positively!

Line 6 sounds indeed scary, but it seems to be mainly a warning against letting yourself beeing drawn into negativity, then an inevitable bad fortune (" If he lets himself go,
laughing and jesting, and forgets that he is a wanderer, he will later have cause to weep and lament. For if through carelessness a man loses his cow-i.e., his modesty and adaptability-evil will result.") So it looks like this is something you can avoid.
This would fit nicely with Hex 31 (Mutual Influence) as it says, your fate has influence on you, but you have also influence on your fortune. So whatever you decide, will impact your life.
Best of luck and hope this helps you a bit!

maui
 

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Line 6 sounds indeed scary, but it seems to be mainly a warning against letting yourself beeing drawn into negativity, then an inevitable bad fortune

maui

I am afraid of making wrong decisions. I have to think ahead but without knowing what sums I will be dealing with. People prefer to buy property here, but bad decisions could be made. Leaving the country would be acceptable for me if that would involve some certainty. Exchanging more of this and adding foreigner-ship does not make much sense to me. My contacts in that direction have abated.
 

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I will read the rest of the thread shortly....and geez yes I think 56.6 could be dragona's sister.


Before I focus on details....for the love of God will you look at this folks !


Soon to have a 40+ birthday, brokenhearted, loosing looks etc., with no money or a steady job or group of friends or even a place to call my own, it sure does sound, well, maybe not so much Cinderella as some SA soap perhaps...or I could inspire some 100 episodes surely. (see ripoff http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5hLGCC4sL0 )

She is not even 40 years old ! That post was from this year. When I first read that a while back I almost exploded....You are not yet 40, your legs work fine...and your eyes so that's good...and you get some money from the flat when it's sold.

I know you were only kidding above but c'mon ! Your story would not inspire a soap opera. I almost thought to suggest Liss think of writing an autobiography because of the twists and turns in her tale since her marriage broke up. But for you dragona...no, . You are still only 39 and you say you are at a stage inlife where things are too late ????
 

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Interesting view. But is is not her nest as she has her own family. I am in a way of money needed. She wants me to act faster, get a job, fix, sell, but I am just feeling down by everything that has happened and circumstances are hard as it is, so no great will to fight within me.
And when someone looks at you with barely masked disgust, you tend to suffer within, since you were told all your life how great that person is, and to you it was-till you were of use, doing what was expected.

Hmm but whatever their view of you it wasn't and isn't the truth and is now utterly irrelevant to you.

They are 2 people in the world who saw you this way.....put their opinions of you where they belong, in a filing cabinet marked "irrelevant to be considered for historical interest later".

I think you are potentially on the brink of a greater freedom from all this that you may even dare think about. Supposing their views of you have now been thrown out, out of date, you are starting anew (56.5) the only reason their views can affect you is that you believe in them yourself.


There's plenty of good points in above posts anyway....but what you urgently need to do is find a sunny spot in your soul everyday and sit in it for 5 minutes.

Still 39 years old ? You have a big life ahead of you.

ETA your sister sounds terribly jealous of you. I feel you would be better getting the money for flat, getting your own small place if possible, and leading your life without your sister in it. You can't buy her out can you ? So sooner or later you need to go . Once you go you need never even speak to your sister again.

Whilst 56.6 seems to advise against this my experience with 56.6 is it's inevitable....bridges get burned sometimes in order to move forward. Relating hexagram 31. You need some fresh space to make what you want in.
 
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Aaaah...over 40,40+++, and was not minding my age till recently, since it started to show.
I am sorry about not being able to compete with Lyss, but she lives in a very different country - not that I am looking for alibies. A house on the island, for example, livable, that I could not find, only if I wanted to become a hermit and live on bread and water. ;)

It would all feel very different, more adventures like if happened few years ago, now it feels too much is at stake for me.I tried to stay optimistic, work wise and it did not pan out. I am in turmoil, not sure how it will all turn out-prices for smaller apartments are not smaller ENOUGH, I am very much afraid.
But it should be one thing at the time, only it rarely can be so.

If she is 56.6, I can live with that. Only not in the know why would someone be jealous of me, especially now.
She proclaimed that SHE wants things to change lol ( good old IC cast did give reading of different circumstances to build upon) and that we need to communicate more but she did start a fight first, just to make sure she will get her way. I was not asked what I wanted. I said I will call if something important happens, trying to diminish our contacts, but she comes "i am on my way" and makes "inspections" of what I did or did not do. That drives me mad.

Beware, trojan, you are showing your soft side. I am honored.:bows::mischief:
 
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. Only not in the know why would someone be jealous of me, especially now

Because you are free in many ways that she is not. Theoretically anything can happen to you. Nothing would stop you in all sorts of adventures. She is married with kids isn't she so she is stuck in many ways that you are not.

Is she happy ? Doesn't sound like it.

To get your own back you have to work on the next step towards freedom

then you can go like this :freak: except you won't want to because you will be so much happier you will pity her and want to be kind to her.

That is how it is going to be.

I am never wrong.


:D
 

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Dragona, how do you feel about your apartment, selling it vs. not selling it, and so forth? If it was just your decision to make, and you were not getting pressure from your sister?

(Am asking for a reason...will explain later.)
 

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The way I read it Dragona just wants to stay in the apartment because she won't find anything so good with the money she gains from selling it and dividing it between her and her sister. But if she does that, just stays there, her sister won't get her share of the money. So she either has to buy her share and give her sister her money or move. The sister is being unkind, I think, in pressurising her so early since her mother only passed on just recently. But in the end they have to share the money from the flat.

However I don't know maybe the sister is broke and needs the money
 

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Because you are free in many ways that she is not.
She is married with kids isn't she so she is stuck in many ways that you are not.
Is she happy ? Doesn't sound like it.
I am never wrong.
:D

In many ways she is closer to living life she wanted than I am.
Yes, maam.:bows:

Lisa, trojan is never wrong.:duh:
Yes, she needs the money, but I need the money also and a place to live. A career and a wealthy husband would be nice, if you are putting something into works. :mischief: A lottery winnings? ;)
The place I am in now is in need of lot of work to be quite great, but it is a good location and has its advantages. It is not my IDEAL in a realistic kind of a way place, but something of the same but smaller would work for me. It would be very hard to get it tho.
I can understand the need and the circumstances, what I do not understand is the ways to go about things and I never forget how people treated me. There is not clearly laid out plan you see, just hints, smirks and resentments. After all it is not an extraterrestrial invasion, its just a few touch-ups, fixes, clearing, gardening, showing up (that will be exhausting) and selling! And only half work done for me... :brickwall:
All of this does not make me jump for joy and go about it....now I am sick of everything.

Oh, ok, if I was in an ideal situation? I would buy her off, put the place up for sale and slowly look for something more suitable, maybe even near, depending on how much money I would have.
 
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That is how it is going to be.

I am never wrong.

:D

Lisa, trojan is never wrong.

Am giggling. You two are hilarious. :D

Dragona, I asked that question because I was trying to figure out if this reading fits in with the readings from this other thread of yours.

For example, I was wondering if the weight around your neck from 21.6>51 (this post from the thread) might be about your apartment. And your third reading in that series was 37.6>63 -- 37 could be about the home.

BUT, it doesn't sound as if you consider your apartment a huge burden around your neck. People might - they might think, "Oh, I just want out from under this property I own" - but it doesn't sound as if that's your first or biggest thought. All you're saying is that you might want to sell it, more slowly and deliberately, and only under the right conditions (fixed up properly and so forth).
 

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In many ways she is closer to living life she wanted than I am.
Yes, maam.

I deleted the last post saying the same thing....but am resurrecting it.

How could you know if she is closer to the life she wants than you are to the life you want ?

You can't judge your life by hers. You have to live from your own centre.

You have been living via and in comparison to this woman for years.

I hope you get away and live your own life then if you make mistakes they are yours not all her fault. Right now you make it sound like all your problems are her fault.


Imagine living by yourself without her in your life.



All of this does not make me jump for joy and go about it....now I am sick of everything

why ? at least you have a property. I haven't nor have many people...

I just don't get why you think you are so much worse off than everyone else in the world. You have half a property....why complain ?

Well you are entitled to complain as much as you like but don't tell yourself you are so much at a disadvantage from everyone else because you aren't.


Good Luck
 

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In terms of jealousy, maybe I should be jealous of her-that is what I meant to say. But there is no point in that. It goes way back, that distinction between us made by our parents and it was ok most of my life-for me. I do not compare myself to her, they did. I am beyond that sort of thing, sad you did not get it.
It is of lately, when I did make certain choices I felt I had to make, right or wrong-I was judged rather than suported and repeatedly called upon those. Getting into things deeper would only complicate this thread if did not already.

Lisa, you give great spins. That is a value to have indeed.:bows:
I will think about it. The q. was toward pointing me to which field to concentrate, where to look for earnings and in what way, that sort of thing, but I am not seeing something very apparent maybe....still nothing there:rant:
 

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Another possibility? Maybe?

56.5, quoting from Wilhelm-Baynes's commentary:

"Traveling statesman were in the habit of introducing themselves to local princes with the gift of a pheasant, killing it at the first shot. Thus he finds friends who praise and recommend him, and in the end the prince accepts him and confers an office upon him."

From Hilary's book:

"If the traveller can demonstrate his skill to the local lord, he will gain recognition and employment."

Might "prince" and "lord" mean your sister in this line, also? She's your landlord, sort of, since she owns half the apartment you're living in.

IF you could find a job (and I realize you think that's impossible, but I still think 61.5>41 was encouraging about finances), could you pay your sister some rent every month?

Only a SMALL rent - because you own half the apartment. But could this be a way for you both to benefit? Your sister would benefit because she'd have some income from the apartment. You would benefit because you'd have a place to live, for less than you'd pay elsewhere. And if your sister was getting some money, she'd "accept" you and "confer an office" on you (in other words, she'd be happy to let you live in the apartment, and stop pressuring you to sell it.)

And then the two of you would still own the apartment - remember how it said in 56.6 that if the nest was burned now, the "travelling people" (people who don't own property) would laugh at first but weep later?

If 56.6 is your sister, there might come a time when she'd regret settling for a short-term gain. I don't know what that could be - maybe the real estate market will improve and the property will be worth much more later than it is now? Maybe the apartment itself would be useful to her in the future? But SOMETHING like that.
 

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(Note: crossed posts with you and Trojan, if it sounds like I wasn't reading things :brickwall:)
 

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Hm, lisa...now you put my sister as the centre of my cast/life. It would be too much. There is life beyond THAT issue. That idea would not work for like 3 reason I can think of from the top of my head and it would only be temporary. Besides, I could not afford it.
 

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So basically the position you want to hold to is this

"Everything is impossible and nothing can be improved"

if ever people stop answering your threads dragona the reason is they probably just get exhausted at having to work....sooo hard... at making more suggestions...while you just say "no, that won't work".

I think you are in a tough spot but no tougher than many others. I think you need to change your mind set to get anywhere.

no disrespect intended. I think Lisa is thinking this through well. I am just getting impatient. Sorry.
 
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I am sorry BTW I don't want to make you feel any worse.

I want things to start to go your way. I think we all do.

keep on posting....don't mind me. I will be quiet when impatient :mmf:
 

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I did say just a bit earlier that this is not some kind of mission impossible but here it is not done on good terms and good will so it does not bode well. You understood it very well. I do appreciate time and suggestions given here but it is for me to know the circumstances the best, I believe.
If you are referring to lise`s suggestion, it has been discussed. Going deeper into relationship and family issues I am not ready unless in private message maybe.

I was not comparing myself to others....I know of people better and worse off than I am. On changing my mind set-that I agree but it is to be work in progress.

I got upset some 3 posts ago, fwy...you are loosing on your timing:deadhorse:
 
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I have to agree with trojan - sometimes I respond to posts and then the person baulks at my suggeston - I don't bother posting again.
If you think we don't understand perhaps you may well be right but I know a lot of us here have had almost the same experience and we are just trying to share what we've learned to help others get through it a whole lot easier than us.
I don't think anyone who helps on here is looking to hurt you or judge you or anything like that I think this forum is made up mostly of kind people with big hearts. - Liss
 

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Now you have lost me. I mean, I go back and read over again....I have a feeling not everyone do the same. If I was not clear on some things, I just said why that may be...asking in msgs is an option for me.
Communications went retrograde or something?
 

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Besides, I could not afford it.
Well, I would hope that if you had a job (which you need regardless), you could afford half the market rent on an apartment (I mean, assuming it's a normal apartment and not a penthouse in Monaco, lol). You have to live somewhere, and no place is going to be free. This was a way (I thought) to keep it as inexpensive as possible, and get your sister off your back by giving her some money, and I thought the reading supported it.

BUT, if there are family issues which mean you don't want to even present this idea to your sister, you are correct that you know them and I don't.

I do agree that "renting" from your sister could be more complicated than renting from a professional landlord who's not related to you.

I've seen this reading differently from Trojan and others, particularly 56.6. But that certainly doesn't mean I'm right. Maybe it would be best for you to get away from your sister altogether (hex 56). Maybe 21.6 from the other thread doesn't mean that you feel like the apartment is a weight on your shoulders (you seem to be happy living there) - but maybe it was telling you that despite your feelings, it is a burden, because it requires you to have a burdensome relationship with your sister (your family - hex 37 from the third reading in the other thread).

Yi, you give me a freaking headache sometimes! What is it that you mean??? :rant: :rofl:

(I still think 61.5>41 from the other thread was very encouraging about your finances. That one I still can't see any other way, for what that's worth.)
 

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