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US Healing from the Trump administration: 27.1.6 to 2 and 64.4 to 4

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The Trump administration caused a lot of trauma to the collective. COVID happened to prevent Trump getting a second term. Biden was sworned in to help the US to heal from the collective trauma. However, there will be some uglyness especially that Trumpists won't change and they will become fringes of society. Psychics say that good things will happen during the Biden presidency.

How will the US heal from the Trump administration? 27.1.6 Nourishment/Corners of the Mouth/Upper Jaw to 2 Earth/The Receptive/The Passive Principle.
27.1 speaks of shock from the collective.
27.6 speaks of receiving healing energy despite the dangers.
Is it saying that the collective will be provided with love and sustenance (27) where all will accept (2)?

What will it take for the ugliness in the US to disappear? 64.4 Not Yet Across/Before Completion to 4 Not Knowing/Youthful Golly/Immaturity.
64.4 speaks of the vile characters being satisfied with their demands.
Is it saying it has yet de be gone (64) where these people are ignorant of the times (4)?
 

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COVID happened to prevent Trump getting a second term.


What kind of Americentric nonsense is that !?

You think the worldwide pandemic happened to get Trump out ? That's ludicrous. Bull shit in fact.

I have a suggestion that could work well for you. If you answer threads rather than posting them you'll get a different perspective that will be to your advantage.
 

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What kind of Americentric nonsense is that !?

You think the worldwide pandemic happened to get Trump out ? That's ludicrous. Bull shit in fact.

I have a suggestion that could work well for you. If you answer threads rather than posting them you'll get a different perspective that will be to your advantage.

The first question has an answer that is positive, especially since the first hex is good.
 

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I meant answer other people's threads.
 

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What kind of Americentric nonsense is that !?

yes, yes. That's true of course.

I know this sounds odd, but I have found myself in a few conversations where both parties suddenly looked up at each other and said, "omg, if the virus had not hit, rumplestiltskin would have won a second term." And he very likely would have, were it not for the un-lie-away-able 439k deaths here.
 
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That doesn't mean the virus occurred solely to get rid of Trump. There's a lot of other people in a lot of other countries lost their lives so that idea is the worst of new age piffle.

Only the brainless would conclude the virus occurred to get rid of Trump. I mean if 'the universe' had a plan to get rid of Trump there's any number of ways to dispatch him that need not include a worldwide pandemic.
 

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I mean if 'the universe' had a plan to get rid of Trump there's any number of ways to dispatch him that need not include a worldwide pandemic.

We have wandered into territory where none of us can truly say, no?
This is outside of our wheelhouse/purview, no?
 

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We wondered into territory that is horse manure here


COVID happened to prevent Trump getting a second term.

That is offensive IMO. Lots of people have died in lots of other countries Fof so saying this is sick

How many people did it take to die for some dumbfcukk 'psychic' to tell you that fof. Oh yeah millions had to die all over the world to get your president out of office FFS
 

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I'm afraid the mists of memory have closed over the ant poem.

You must remind me
 

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A gal asks for an ant poem,
you write her one,
and she forgets all about it!
:rofl:

 
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Well I'm getting a bit old, memory not so good as it was. I asked for an ant poem and you provided one ? Then it is inexcusable that I can't recall it though the title rings a bell. I'll keep an eye out for it.


It occurs to me perhaps the sentence I took issue with could be read another way. Let's see

COVID happened to prevent Trump getting a second term.

That could be read as 'Covid happened to...' as in 'it just so happened that Covid stopped Trump getting a second term'. In the same way as I might say 'Covid (just) happened to prevent me from a career in opera' . That is not meaning the reason Covid developed was that it was all geared to stop me singing but that by chance the arrival of Covid stymied my chances.

So there's 2 ways of taking it. Either you are saying the whole reason for the existence of Covid in the world was the celestial powers that be decided it was a good way to get rid of Trump and the death of thousands upon thousands of people was a small price to pay OR you mean it just so happened, by chance, Covid helped to get rid of Trump.

If it's the 2nd well it's an odd way to put it but it makes more sense. If it's the first then words fail me as to what kind of lunatics you are finding online that inform you of such views.


Can you enlighten me as to the meaning of the sentence, what you meant by it ? If it's something a psychic said can you link me to them so I can go and harass them.
 

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Fanofenka,

I think it may be obvious to some readers here, but I don't think you understand why your threads get the kind of reactions and lack of responses that they do.
I know you are curious about why people don't really want to play.

Your questions often seem...
well frivolous.
Because they are not about your life,
solving problems for you,
Nor are they about things you could take action on.
In other words, They do not help you.


Are you just lonely?
Or are you terrified?
(many people are both now)
The path out of lonliness is exchange.
Out of terror, action, activity.
 
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These ones, there's been loads of them with no replies
X Dive: 54.1.5 to 47 and 43.1.2.5 to 62 | I Ching Community (onlineclarity.co.uk)

Reason I suggested answering other people's threads rather than posting more of your own threads like that one is you would get an insight into the energy answering takes or you'd see for yourself what made you answer, what interested you enough to help, things like that.

I don't know what XDive even is but whatever it is I don't think it's worth spending time on. If you were answering people would you answer them on topics that you had no clue what the query was even about.

With this one
Flushing: 43.2.5 to 55 and 4.2 to 23 | I Ching Community (onlineclarity.co.uk)

I don't get it. You asked a question you knew the answer to already.
 

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These ones, there's been loads of them with no replies
X Dive: 54.1.5 to 47 and 43.1.2.5 to 62 | I Ching Community (onlineclarity.co.uk)

Reason I suggested answering other people's threads rather than posting more of your own threads like that one is you would get an insight into the energy answering takes or you'd see for yourself what made you answer, what interested you enough to help, things like that.

I don't know what XDive even is but whatever it is I don't think it's worth spending time on. If you were answering people would you answer them on topics that you had no clue what the query was even about.

With this one
Flushing: 43.2.5 to 55 and 4.2 to 23 | I Ching Community (onlineclarity.co.uk)

I don't get it. You asked a question you knew the answer to already.
X Dive is a mobile game released by Capcom last year. With its success, Capcom could create more Mega Man games. I did a quick scan of Mega Man Battle Network collection and saw that Capcom will announce it by December and it will come March of next year. Basically, I see it coming within the next 20 months.
 

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How will the United States heal from the Trump administration? 27.1.6 - 2

27.1
Giving up the spirit tortoise.
Gazing at me with jaws hanging down.
Pitfall.

I see this as referring to the cause of the problems caused by the Trump administration - people stopped giving their allegiance to the spirit of Constitution and instead became devoted only to Trump.

27.6
Origin of nourishment. Danger, good fortune.
Harvest in wading the great water.

Healing comes through recognizing the source of what feeds us. Willingness to get to the truth. Where did all the divisive ideas come from? Who benefited? Maybe a directive to "follow the money". Dangerous, but ultimately beneficial. "Harvest in wading the deep water" suggests healing is going to require a major shift in consciousness - not just a return to the old ways.

2.
The calm, patient, receptive, let it be nature of this line suggests to me the ultimate healing we seek. Perhaps a good omen that this is indeed possible.

27. The Corners of The Mouth can refer to words and communication. Receiving both the first and the sixth line suggest this whole thing will need to be discussed from beginning to end. Perhaps a caution that healing will not come from sweeping anything under the rug and saying "Unity!" No, the former president must be prosecuted because the full story needs to be brought out in the open. A warning that there is a lot of talk ahead...
 
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X Dive is a mobile game released by Capcom last year. With its success, Capcom could create more Mega Man games. I did a quick scan of Mega Man Battle Network collection and saw that Capcom will announce it by December and it will come March of next year. Basically, I see it coming within the next 20 months.


You didn't answer my question about what you meant when you said


COVID happened to prevent Trump getting a second term.


You also didn't respond to Moss Elk's points about the reason no one answers the games questions and so on. When no one answers you ask why, by posting 'hello' as if you are wondering why no answer.
 

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How will the United States heal from the Trump administration? 27.1.6 - 2

not to disdain, not to take away importance from the current state of the USA, not to think that the "problem" originated from the "others" (line 1) and at the same time to decide on what really nourishes the country(line 6). A nutrition that reaches everyone, regardless of their color, origin, social stratum, party - Nutrition that feeds the country as a whole.

USA- The country of new opportunities has been in question for some years?

breakmov
 

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The US isn't healing from Trump it produced Trump in the first place.

I can take issue with that! :]

The degredation/evil of his family line was in full force before they came to the u.s.

(European immigrant grandpa owned the brothel/saloon in Canada, father was sociopath & racist & violent alcoholic.)
 

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He didn't get where he was without the consent of the people of the US who put him there. And they are still there and they are the problem.

It's not all about personal psychopathy.
 

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He didn't get where he was without the consent of the people of the US who put him there. And they are still there and they are the problem.
Right, there are many ethno-barbarians here. (in the 21st century...go figure)
Criminals/Bikers, many evil wealthy opportunists/con men
Look at this madness:
the leader of the Proud boys (violent white chauvinist gang that started as an alcohol drinking club) is a Latin/Black man.
So, as you can see: there is no reason or rationality running around in the domes of the mad-herd. It is madness, drunken rage for the sake of rage. Half of the people who stormed the capitol probably don't even believe the stolen election lie, they are just often racist and tempermentally disturbed, and someone condoned them to rage & act out, so they did.


And something much worse:
Republican Senators (the Fossil fuel cartel)
who will do anything to preserve their wealth and power and priveledge.
A handful of republican senators are 'slyly' encouraging civil war.

Biden has pledged to make all of the u.s gov vehicles electric. This is how to take away the power of this cartel. Spend our money on renewable nergy. This will help
bring the 16th century barbarians into the 21st.
It's not all about personal psychopathy.
So, that would be a long discussion about
personal responsiblity for the state of ones character.
Blame the individual? yes.
Blame the bad ideas? yes
Blame the culture? yes.

But that begs the question,
how to Repair this corruption of a people?
Good question.


First we must acknowledge that the reason that this problem wasn't fixed after the civil war is: Implicit racial Bias. (they had *too much* sympathy for wealthy whites like them)
The Union leaders failed to adequetely punish (remove the power of) the wealthy white slave owning families and kept them at the governance table giving them an inordinate amount of power within the nation. Because of the electoral college system, we do not have representative democracy here, what we have is a system rigged toward a smaller amount of people from the southern 'red states', who are ethno-evangelistically a club. (an ignorant, bigoted, racist one at that.) I know these people, I am from them, I have an ancestor named after Robert E Lee.
 
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Re-thinking my original interpretation..

27.1
Giving up the spirit tortoise.
Gazing at me with jaws hanging down.
Pitfall.

This is one of only a couple of times the I Ching seems to speak to us directly (the other being hexagram 4. "It is not I who seeks the young fool..."). Perhaps this is a comment on Fanofenka's original assumption that covid-19 was created to prevent Trump from gaining a second term. "Giving up the spirit tortoise" and "Gazing at me with jaws hanging down" could describe losing belief in a loving God and "Pitfall" could be a caution that this would be a mistake.

27.6
Origin of nourishment.
Danger. Good fortune.
Harvest in wading the great water.

Perhaps this is a reference to the importance of seeking out the origin of the trouble. Was it Trump? Was it his ancestors? Was it the complicity of the American people? Was it China? Was it Israel? Asking these questions can be dangerous - who knows what we'll ultimately learn? - but knowing the truth leads to Good fortune.

"Harvest in wading the great water." This line coupled with the resulting hexagram 2. Earth makes me uneasy about what "healing" would actually mean. 2.Earth as the resulting hex often indicates a situation that has come to completion as in RIP (Rest In Peace). When the truth about Covid finally gets sorted out what will the resulting landscape look like? Does "healing" mean a return to faith in American democracy or will healing require recognizing the whole system has been rotten since the early explorers stole the land from the Indians? Does "Harvest in wading the great water" mean give up on the whole idea and start a new country altogether?

Together I now think these lines are saying the pandemic was not created by an angry god to destroy the Trump presidency, but in order to heal the real causes need to be sought out and the truth revealed no matter how horrific it proves to be - even if it requires abandoning the democratic system as we know it and creating a whole new country.

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What will it take for the ugliness to disappear?

64.4 - 4.

Constancy, good fortune, regrets vanish.
The Thunderer uses this to attack the Demon Country.
Three years go round and there are rewards in the great city.

When the lockdown is over there will be a sense of gratitude and good fortune and maybe even a feeling that we're going to try to do better by our fellow man.
Perhaps people in positions of influence can use turn this feeling into more than just a momentary sense of euphoria and strengthen it into a continuing commitment to build a better world.
Interesting that "three years" is about the length of a presidential term (4 years).

Hexagram 4 is the one about the young fool, perhaps a new generation that hasn't been tainted by the tainted by the sins of the fathers?

I think of the story of Moses coming down from the mountain top and discovering the people worshiping a golden calf. He kept them wandering in the desert for 40 years until everyone of that generation had died and then led the next generation - supposedly pure - to the Promised Land. Hopefully rebuilding our world wont require such extreme measures.
 

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Fanofenka - What translation are you using? I'm having trouble understanding some of your interpretations of the lines, particularly how do you get "vile characters being satisfied with their demands" from 64.4 "Constancy, good fortune, regrets vanish. The Thunderer uses this to attack the Demon Country. Three years go round and there are rewards in the great city" (Hilary) ?
 
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Perhaps this is a comment on Fanofenka's original assumption that covid-19 was created to prevent Trump from gaining a second term.


We'll never know as he seems unable to explain what he wrote.



ME all I was saying was leaders don't mysteriously appear, they are placed there, well in a democracy anyway. A switch of leader doesn't mean an entire switch of country.
 

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As long as the United States government allows for the Filibuster and for leaders to be chosen by the Electoral Collage nothing will improve. These things have got to change - which would be so fundamental a change that if this happens it will in a sense indeed be a whole new country.
 

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ME all I was saying was leaders don't mysteriously appear, they are placed there, well in a democracy anyway.

I get you.
The ex-leader we are talking about was put there by the fossil fuel cartel.
 
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You didn't answer my question about what you meant when you said





You also didn't respond to Moss Elk's points about the reason no one answers the games questions and so on. When no one answers you ask why, by posting 'hello' as if you are wondering why no answer.
I feel that the Battle Network hype back in 2019 was a sign of something good going to happen from Capcom. Perhaps we can expect a legacy collection sooner than later.
 

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Fanofenka - What translation are you using? I'm having trouble understanding some of your interpretations of the lines, particularly how do you get "vile characters being satisfied with their demands" from 64.4 "Constancy, good fortune, regrets vanish. The Thunderer uses this to attack the Demon Country. Three years go round and there are rewards in the great city" (Hilary) ?
I was using Legge.
 

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