US Politics (from 'How Will Trump Do In The November elections? 17 Unchanging')

[Liselle]

Just today while browsing the internet I came across a story that back in 2015 an American, disgruntled even then with the crop of candidates, wrote to Queen Elizabeth asking her to take us back.

She actually replied (!), declining to intercede in the affairs of a sovereign nation.



(This too shall pass, surely. I mean, no doubt people during the Civil War wondered why we'd bothered, a century prior...)

 

[Trojina]

Surely after recent events, the people of the US could only confirm their insanity by voting him back in. He can't get back, he's not fit for office. Question Null and Void and you would have to have a gaping void between your ears to seriously believe this man worthy or even barely capable if running the country .




If he could win over voters at this stage then those voters don't deserve a vote.

 

[Trojina]

I do wonder if people in the US actually have any idea of the deep derision the rest of the world in which the rest of the world regards him.

 

[Trojina]

From the tarot card readers and psychics I subscribe to, they all say that Trump will still lose and that the second wave will come within the fall but tracing will stop it.

So Tarot card readers and psychics don't tell you any more than the average person on the street could tell you then.

 

[Trojina]

That is hardly authoritative on intepreting what the IChing says. Very off topic, I think.

I happen to think it's very off topic to continue posting readings to support your political views.

 

[Trojina]

I believe in the Whole Elephant.

No, you believe in the Orange Turd

 

[Lavalamp]

Trojina, I seem to recall in 2016 there were many many readings, from a far flung assortment of readers compared here on who was going to win the American Presidential election.
It is only recently since I passed 60 the Yi has actually started divining for me, and it is very easy to compare predictions and intepretations with actual events. So as a learning and academic exercise, or even as a little bit of a competition in who can best intepret the Yi, I think it is a constructive and positive thing to do.
And forgive me, but I am not really interested in arguing politics with all you sweet progressive British ladies over in open spaces.
Bless your hearts. Not even Brexit! Lol....

- LL

 

[Trojina]

You wouldn't stand a chance would you, not in the face of facts

 

[Trojina]

Some of his finest moments, good he found coronavirus amusing as apparently did his audience

The one thing absolutely missing in him is any 15 whatsoever, he is completely out of touch with reality along with the rest of the country that voted for him.

 

[moss elk]

For those not in the U.S. or familiar with southern American dialect, "Bless your heart" is an expression that roughly means
"You are stupid, but I won't say it out loud."


hey lava, did you cheer in 1970 when the students were murdered at Kent State?
or did your sadism develop in your silver years?

Bless your heart.

 

[Trojina]

People are pretty shell shocked with riots in the streets, violent political action groups and looters, political officials unable or unwilling to end the violence. Two lawyers one a Democrat Council member in NYC was caught handing our Molotov Cocktails to rioters and firebombing a police car, other Democrats endorsing Antifa that are commited to political violence...

So I had to ask in the wake of all this violence and chaos - "How will Donald Trump do now in the November elections?"

Come to think of it that's an odd question to follow the first paragraph. I mean the real question for you to ask yourself is not 'how will Trump do in the elections ?' but WTF is he doing now ? How much damage is he doing, that surely should be your main concern. You don't need Yi to answer that question.

 

[Trojina]

A British comedian and his dad with a bible holding lesson for Trump

 

[moss elk]

Someone made a short film in 2015 about their father who became an angry deranged bigot after listening to Rush Limbaugh on his car radio, when his radio broke, after a short time the hatred dissipated from him.

The Brainwashing of My Dad - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[moss elk]

Come to think of it that's an odd question to follow the first paragraph. I mean the real question for you to ask yourself is not 'how will Trump do in the elections ?' but WTF is he doing now ? How much damage is he doing, that surely should be your main concern. You don't need Yi to answer that question.

You have to realize that when speaking with a cultist, that facts don't matter, reason doesn't matter, truth doesn't matter,
they aren't operating on that level.

 

[hilary]

A British comedian and his dad with a bible holding lesson for Trump

Love it.

 

[moss elk]

The above bible fiasco, which included t.rump tear gassing and beating peaceful protestors and journalists before curfew time was preceeded of course by the murder of a man by police, caught on video.

Mr Floyd's 2nd grade teacher shows what he was like at 8 years old, he wanted to be a supreme court judge.

 

[Liselle]

HOWEVER, this hexagram isn't necessarily indicating Trump will be re-elected. Indeed, knowing when to leave can be the smartest thing he could do

I choose to believe Rosada did this on purpose and am awkwardly posting three days later to say so.

'Go while the going is good
Knowing when to leave may be the smartest thing that anyone can learn.
Go! '
...

 

[Trojina]

50.4 implies that Trump is not equal to the difficult task at hand.

It's not news is it. You don't need Yi to tell you that.

 

[hilary]

Some hope:

Are they gone for good? The Trump supporters who regret their vote

President’s latest decisions – deploying military forces against protesters, and the church photo op – are chipping away at his base

www.theguardian.com

 

[moss elk]

The team horses are breaking away...

Yi advised m.e. that would be the mechanism of his fall.

 

[Liselle]

In the spirit of 17, though, Moss, maybe here's Yi talking without saying much? "The mechanism of his fall will be if his supporters don't vote for him." Well sure...

(I do think the cracks are growing by the day, though. Ever since Lysol-gate, before this even happened. I just think 5 months is a long time still.)

 

[Trojina]

In the spirit of 17, though, Moss, maybe here's Yi talking without saying much? "The mechanism of his fall will be if his supporters don't vote for him." Well sure...

No need of the spirit of 17 - it's not there. If you had cast it perhaps it might mean something for you but you didn't. Between now and the elections how many casts on the topic do you think there will be ? There will be endless fruitless games of speculation amounting to 100s of casts. Are they all to be considered seriously ?

I've said it before and I'll say it again, readings need us to be in them. They are answers for us. Step outside that and nothing much useful comes in my opinion. I think Hilary was somewhat pointing to that here

Also I took it Moss was speaking of the actual event or series of events that topples him. In any sane world what has already happened would be enough but Americans voted him in. What could have been in their minds is impossible to fathom but they did so who knows what they might do next. I'd think, if I had any respect for political readings, his downfall as 61.4 will be being abandoned by his key aides/advisors/partners/wife. Heh I don't think she would abandon him but if she did perhaps he could not go on. But that's just speculation with Yi as a side dish. Also he could fall as a result of death/illness, any number of reasons could bring him down.

 

[moss elk]

And amidst all of this activity,
he still! has the time to start his reelection campaign in Tulsa on Juneteenth at the site of the worst massacre of blacks by whites in American history, on the date Slavery ended.

'Slap in the face to black people': Trump faces backlash over rally on Juneteenth

Critics called the president racist for planning a campaign event on the date marking slavery's end and doing it in Tulsa, where African Americans were murdered in 1921.

www.nbcnews.com

If you believe it is a coincidence with the date and location, you are a fool.

t.Rump is the insult added after an injury,
And It is par for the Hubris course for him,
He did the same insult when he made native leaders meet him in front of the painting of Andrew Jackson:
www.washingtonpost.com/news/retropolis/wp/2017/11/28/andrew-jackson-was-called-indian-killer-trump-honored-navajos-in-front-of-his-portrait/

 

[Lavalamp]

I'm sure the President will have Leaders from the Black Faith Community in attendance, honor the memory of the dead in his remarks, and criticize the evils of racism and lack of economic opportunity as he has so many times before. And reflect on how far we have come since such troubled times - may they never come again.

You might not know this, but President Trump has unusally high approval ratings in the black community for a Republican. While he only got 8% of the black vote in 2016, the latest polls - after 11 days of riots - have him with 41% approval among black likely voters, and 25% Very Strong support. In the US Democrats rely on 85% of the black vote or better, and without that they cannot win a National election.

He spent a lot of his political capital to deliver for the black community, and it's not gone unnoticed.

- LL

 

[moss elk]

I'm sure he will be the same racist goon he always has been.

If you'd like to collect some Summer reading material about t.rumps racism,
just click this link to keep you busy for months:

LMGTFY - Let Me Google That For You

For all those people who find it more convenient to bother you with their question rather than to Google it for themselves.

lmgtfy.com

 

[Lavalamp]

Pfft. He's never been a racist. I can name off the top on my head 10 classic liberal things in Trump's life before election and since that prove he has always been a friend and ally of minorites.
He's certainly done more to help people of color than you have, Moss Elk, And it takes more than accusing others of racism, or voting Democrat, to prove one does not possess the condescending, self superior, conceited, contemptuous qualities of character which is the stuff of which bigotry and racism is made, one's self.
You have to prove that by how you treat people.

- LL

 

[moss elk]

He would not rent his property to blacks in the 1980's and along with his kkk rioting father, was fined by the Justice department for it:

Redirect Notice

www.google.com

Here is the news article from 1927 when his father was arrested for rioting (assaulting black people) in New York:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/02/28/in-1927-donald-trumps-father-was-arrested-after-a-klan-riot-in-queens/

Not Racist?
How about the time he took out the full page newspaper ad calling for the death penalty for the innocent black teenagers,
then refused to retract or apologize when they were proved innocent.

Redirect Notice

It's funny that 40-watt just admitted the modern republicans party is racist
by equating non-racist behaviour with 'liberal-things'
(BTW, that change happened in the 1950's when all the Racist Southern Democrats switched parties)

 

[Lavalamp]

Moss Elk, Claims of discrimination in housing were settled, and a landlord tenant dispute does not prove racism.
In fact when Trump's Father came upon the Jews of Beach Haven worshipping in one of his housing parking garages, he built them a Synagogue, supported their Temple and charities financially, and became such close friends with the Rabbi who was a Holocaust survivor, many in Brooklyn thought Fred Trump was a Jew. This is an interesting prologue to his own daughter becoming Jewish, Trump has Jewish Grandchildren, and it certainly puts the lie to the BS partisan claim he sympathizes with Nazis.
https://www.queensjewishlink.com/in...-greatness/1535-some-of-fred-trump-s-chasadim

Trump introduced blacks into the construction trades in New York City, when there were none. And women into Construction management. He also supported Black Community Activism, he gave money and free office space to Jesse Jackson's Rainbow Push. That's *very* liberal. Rev. Jackson gave him an award dinner for that. He was given the Ellis Island Award for Good Citizenship standing next to Rosa Parks and Muhhamad Ali for these efforts. If you went to the boxing matches he always hung out with all the black cats, he was close friends with Joe Frazier and Don King. He was *very* good friends with Oprah, and said if he did ever run for office she would be his first pick for Vice President.

 

[moss elk]

t.Rumps ex wife mentions how he used to keep and read Hitlers speeches by his bed.
(you can't get more intimate or 61 than that)

Donald Trump's ex-wife once said Trump kept a book of Hitler's speeches by his bed

"If, I had these speeches, and I am not saying that I do, I would never read them."

www.businessinsider.com

In the 80's an interviewer asked him what book was on his nightstand, t.Rump replied,
"Mein Kampf"


I don't know what occassions were in effect for those photo's, but I see the charlatan Don King in one, and a civil rights advocate who grew old into a run of the mill shady politician, with a shady son. The photos indicate nothing.


"He's certainly done more to help people of color than you have", you sound like you are on his payroll. Are you?
This is the most ludicrous and infantile retort I've seen outside of a kindergarten.

You amuse me greatly.
Tell me more stories?

 

[moss elk]

Here's one of thousands of articles written about one of the faux-news propagandists.
Tucker Carlson. He and Sean Hannity are like a cross between Marie Antionette, prep-school mafia, and your local skinhead club plus golf, they've been poisoning public discourse for decades and it has to stop.

These people are in this order:
Arrogant Egoists/Classists & White Supremacists, Remember when Sean Hannity said in a panic, "If you tax rich people, rich people won't be able to go out to dinner any more" as he made $34 million from faux-news.

Guess who said it: Tucker Carlson or a far-right shooter | Nathan Robinson

The Fox New host’s nightly diatribes are making the US an ever more terrifying place for immigrants and people of color

www.theguardian.com

Excerpt from article:
The Daily Stormer (a Neo-Nazi publication) has called him “literally our greatest ally” and David Duke (Klu Klux Klan leader) has said: “God bless Tucker Carlson.”

Can you continue to say he and his propagandists are not racist?