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I posted previously about Trump's history with blacks before election, I left out how he forced the integration of Palm Beach Country Clubs, after they attacked him for letting Jews and persons of color into his club.
Since election, despite only 8% support from black voters in 2016, President Trump has spent a lot of political capital to deliver for the Black community.
He didn't *have* to do anything of these these things to please his base, and in fact he did get flack from the Republican Party Nomenklatura for some of it.
1. Criminal Justice Reform, getting rid of President Clinton's 1994 Crime Bill that led to the Mass Incarceration. Despite many windows of opportunity to do this, President Obama did not deliver on this issue in his 8 years in office. 90% of those helped by this reform were Black.
2. The Second Chance Initiative. A partnership between government and businesses, to educate and train inmates and provide them with jobs opportunities.
3. Pardoning or commuting the sentences of many people of color who were given ridiculously long sentences under Clinton's law. He is open to more pardons too, if you know of an unjust sentence under the 1994 crime bill.
4. The President brought to the White House over 100 Presidents of historically Black Colleges and Universities to discuss their situation. This resulted in the forgiveness of over $300 million in Disaster relief debt and the establishment of permanent funding.
5. The lowest Black Unemployment rate in the history of our country.
6. The establishment of Opportunity Zones in underserved black communities, drawing in billions of dollars in investment thus providing jobs and services.

Trump has done a lot privately and as President that demonstrates he is not a racist, and to judge him without taking a good look at his real relationships and what he has actually done to serve the Black Community is grossly unfair.
Especially when the only thing anyone else has to do to prove they aren't racist is vote for a Democrat.

- LL
 

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No, Trump did NOT call Nazis "very fine people." The Press smeared him, he was speaking about the issue of the historic preservation of Confederate Monuments and said :

“Excuse me, they didn’t put themselves down as neo-Nazis, and you had some very bad people in that group. But you also had people that were very fine people on both sides. You had people in that group – excuse me, excuse me, I saw the same pictures you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down of, to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name.”

“I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and white nationalists because they should be condemned totally.”


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There have been a lot of smears by a hostile press. The Russia smear the most ridiculous.
Hillary Clinton is a corrupt, sold out crony Corporatist that would leave troops in the field to die just to cover her political ass. I could never vote for someone like that and put good people under her command.
10% of the people who voted for Bernie Sanders in 2016 ended up voting for Trump.
And as I have shown Donald Trump is not without his virtues.
I will leave you with this;
No Trump did not mock a reporter's disability. Another press smear.
Catholics For Trump compiled a lot of video evidence showing this is a bogus claim. Probabaly had something to do withTrump carrying the Catholic vote in 2016.



- LL
 

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'Catholics4trump' has nothing to do with the Catholic Church.
It is a political organization founded to elect t.rump in 2016,
Probably t,rumps idea, certainly from his campaign staff.
Like when he gets the one black guy at his rally who holds the sign, "blacks for trump"
and when he dictated the letter from his doctor and had the doctor sign it:


You cannot reference political operatives/campaigns (or t.rump himself)
as valid sources and be taken seriously.


Why in the world are you still talking about Clinton, or even bringing the name into this conversation.
What is wrong with you man?
 
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Here is Tucker Carlson being angry at Elmo,
because Elmo is anti-racist:


A whiney 'tough-guy', what a combinaton!

And as recently said,
"If you are anti anti-racists,
mathematically that makes you a racist."
 
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And I just remembered that's because Sesame Street has been mocking t.Rump since 1988.
That show is way ahead of it's time.
:rofl:
 

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There have been a lot of smears by a hostile press. The Russia smear the most ridiculous.
Hillary Clinton is a corrupt, sold out crony Corporatist that would leave troops in the field to die just to cover her political ass. I could never vote for someone like that and put good people under her command.
10% of the people who voted for Bernie Sanders in 2016 ended up voting for Trump.
And as I have shown Donald Trump is not without his virtues.
I will leave you with this;
No Trump did not mock a reporter's disability. Another press smear.
Catholics For Trump compiled a lot of video evidence showing this is a bogus claim. Probabaly had something to do withTrump carrying the Catholic vote in 2016.


- LL

Funny someone else just arrived full of sympathy about the 'hostile press' Trump received. Someone who recounts what great suffering trump went through from day one with so many people out to bring him down. Have you met him ? Here's a link, you may find you have a lot in common


From that thread

In any case, it dovetails VERY well with my friend's reading using other methods. In this throw, it seems like he will withdraw from the field to avoid disgrace and humiliation. Let's face it, after four years there the forces arrayed against him are demonstrating that they are willing to burn the entire country down if necessary to ensure he never enjoys any easy successes.




At a certain point, as I remarked to my wife this morning, you have to conclude that he's not up to the job. Not necessarily in terms of talent or competence, but in terms of networking, of fitting in. Even if he wins again, and even if he were to get both House and Senate again, it is quite likely that he would be massively obstructed all the way both at home and abroad. Also his enemies have pledged to prosecute him after he gets out of office and try to put him and his family away for long stretches, even though as yet - and even after almost three years of a intensive govt-run probes - they have no crime on him. Still, a businessman with hundreds of holdings will always have some things which can be challenged. It's brutal, the whole affair, and if the powers that be in the DC Establishment wanted to send a message to any other outsider considering a 'drain the swamp' run to enter only at their peril, they have succeeded I suspect. He is outmatched by the depth and scope of enmity arrayed against him in what has become an overly bloated and highly corrupt Republic. Pity. I know he's controversial and hated by many, but energetic and competent even most of his enemies will grant him. Imagine what might have happened if they hadn't tried to sabotage his Presidency from the day after the election? He was never given the peaceful transition of power. Again, a great pity, not just for him, but for the Republic. If indeed he does end up bowing out, the country will go through a deep teaching moment as it contemplates - finally without the heat of aroused hatred and scorn - what next ill transpire? Do they go back to corruption as usual? Do they choose a happy media as with Obama, joyfully covering up all the corruptions and excesses, a feel-good as we all go broke together approach? Or do they try again for reform but with someone less controversial, someone less likely to get the Establishment's back up, in other words, someone who won't rock the boat and therefore won't reform anything? Or do they want another fighter? The country is going to have to do some soul-searching. In a way, that will be much deeper once he's out of the picture.


There's a lot of pity there


You two may have much in common
 
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Someone who recounts what great suffering trump went through from day one
I did not write it that way. If you read what I wrote:

"In any case, it dovetails VERY well with my friend's reading using other methods. In this throw, it seems like he will withdraw from the field to avoid disgrace and humiliation. Let's face it, after four years there the forces arrayed against him are demonstrating that they are willing to burn the entire country down if necessary to ensure he never enjoys any easy successes. "

I said no such thing. (Maybe the word 'easy' was a little too much?)

Methinks your extreme views about this particular political leader are causing you to protest - and project - too much!

It is always best to maintain a sense of humor in any situation, but especially anything to do with politics!
 

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BaronAsh thinks t.rump is anti-corruption!
We are talking about one of the most corrupt people to have ever walked the earth.

:rofl:

Nothing I post here is done to sway or enlighten lava, he is too far gone for that.
I just post to counteract the misinformation.
 
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It's all one can do if the pro Trump threads proliferate like drunken rabbits all over SR
Here we have an oasis of sanity where trump can be seen for who he is
 

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BaronAsh thinks t.rump is anti-corruption!
We are talking about one of the most corrupt people to have ever walked the earth.

What irrational hater crap, Moss Elk.
1. Trump has donated his entire salary as President - that's $1.3 Million so far, and his daughter and son in law do not take salaries eitheir.
2. Trump has had the most notable losses in wealth of the world's richest people during in his time in office.
3. When Hillary was wildly ahead in the polls in 2016 and I asked the Yi who would win, I got the Hex of Ending Corruption. Clearly saying "Drain The Swamp" and though I greeted the reading with disbelief, that is what happened.
4. No Trump was not a Manchurian Candidate being blackmailed by Russia, or their agent.
5. No Trump did not call all immigrants animals, he called MS 13 a criminal gang that loves to behead teenage victims animals.
6. No Trump did not say George Floyd must be happy over the stock market results.
7. No Trump did not mock a reporter's disability.
8. No Trump did not call the KKK "very fine people."
9. No Trump is not a racist. He has done for the black community far more than President Obama did in office, and was a trailblazer for civil rights before running for office. That's why one Black Pastor called Trump the "First Black President." Obama did not deliver for their community, Trump did.
10 - Your hate is not good for you or other living things.

- LL
 
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:rofl:

Increasing the volume,
and
Increasing the Repetition of Lies
does not make them true.


As with your dear leader,
you haven't learned that yet.


@Hilary , if I join a cult,
would I be permitted to proselytize at Clarity?
 
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Hexagram 18 is called 'Corruption'.

Yes it is, and as you well know Hilary, it is about repairing corruption (Work On What Has Been Spoiled,) you yourself once said the first thing you thought of when you saw 18 was "drain the swamp."

In October 2016 before the Presidential Election with Trump down 12 points in the polls, I specifically asked two questions:

1. What will the results of the election be for Democrats?
I got two lines in Hex 6 that read "Fails to contend."
6.2 Failing to contend. Returns and flees to his own town people, 300 families. (Returns to district.)
6.4 Failing to contend. Return and face destiny. Change attitude.
This is what happened, Democrats were sent home and lost both Houses of Congress.

2. Who will win the Presidency?
18.1 Hex 18 is about Repair, Work On What Has Been Spoiled.
This line is basically about correcting corruption that has been a result of rigid adherence to or blind faith in the status quo.
Clear reference to the idea of draining the swamp, and the election overturning a blindly partisan, corrupt incumbent power.
The person whose motto was "Drain The Swamp" in fact won the election.
I made the mistake about 20 years ago of misinterpreting what the Yi was saying about someone when I got hex 18. It turned out the person was actually doing a lot of work on himself, and I misjudged him because I did not understand what the Yi was saying - and perhaps I was overly reliant on a toss of the coins.


- LL
 
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Increasing the volume,
and
Increasing the Repetition of Lies
does not make them true.

I can prove each assertion I posted, Moss Elk, and I already have cited proof on several - which you did not bother to even follow up on, apparently.

1. Trump has donated his entire salary as President - that's $1.3 Million so far, and his daughter and son in law do not take salaries eitheir.
2. Trump has had the most notable losses in wealth of the world's richest people during in his time in office....
4. No Trump was not a Manchurian Candidate being blackmailed by Russia, or their agent.
5. No Trump did not call all immigrants animals, he called MS 13 a criminal gang that loves to behead teenage victims animals.
6. No Trump did not say George Floyd must be happy over the stock market results.
7. No Trump did not mock a reporter's disability.
8. No Trump did not call the KKK "very fine people."
9. No Trump is not a racist. He has done for the black community far more than President Obama did in office, and was a trailblazer for civil rights before running for office. That's why one Black Pastor called Trump the "First Black President." Obama did not deliver for their community, Trump did.
10 - Your hate is not good for you or other living things.

Every assertion I made here is a proven fact in the public domain, if you bothered to apply objectivity in seeking for truth. For example a full transcipt of Trump's remarks on Charlottesville reveals he specifically said he was not talking about the KKK as fine people, specifically saying they were bad people to be totally repudiated, yet the lie is repated over and over again.
Too much work for you? Willfully blind? Prefer bias and conceit to facts?
Some call it Trump Derangement Syndrome, an unreasoning reflexive hatred that destroys any semblance of fairness or balanced seeking of truth.
I call it the stuff of which bigotry is made.

- LL
 

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as you well know Hilary, it is about repairing corruption (Work On What Has Been Spoiled,) you yourself once said the first thing you thought of when you saw 18 was "drain the swamp."
Indeed - though it's worth bearing in mind that its Chinese name actually translates as 'Corruption' not 'Repairing Corruption'. Anyway, my point was just that this could be read one of two ways: a) the election will be won by the pure-as-driven-snow candidate who will 'drain the swamp' as promised or b) the election will be won by the charlatan responsible for the Trump Foundation and Trump University, who will refuse to divest from his businesses or reveal his tax returns, give senior posts to his business chums and his family, undo environmental protections to benefit his friends in fossil fuels, and so on.
 

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How odd that David Duke should have misunderstood him so badly in 2016.

Pfft - such Fake news insinuation is beneath you Hilary. In fact Donald Trump directly and immediately repudiated David Duke, and has repudiated the KKK many many times, but it's never enough for Political Partisans in the media for whom the only proof you aren't racist is voting for a Democrat.
And unless Duke commits a crime he does have the right to vote.
Meanwhile you totally ignore all the strides for civil rights Trump has taken in his life.


- LL
 

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Trump has done more of substance for the Black Community in 3 years in office than Barack Obama did in 8 years.
So much so one Pastor, a former NFL Player in a Black History Month conference at the White House called Donald Trump
"The First Black President."


Trump accomplishments for Black Community
1. Criminal Justice Reform, getting rid of President Clinton's 1994 Crime Bill that led to the Mass Incarceration. Despite many windows of opportunity to do this, President Obama did not deliver on this issue in his 8 years in office. 90% of those helped by this reform were Black.
2. The Second Chance Initiative. A partnership between government and businesses, to educate and train inmates and provide them with jobs opportunities.
3. Pardoning or commuting the sentences of many people of color who were given ridiculously long sentences under Clinton's law. He is open to more pardons too, if you know of an unjust sentence under the 1994 crime bill.
4. The President brought to the White House over 100 Presidents of historically Black Colleges and Universities to discuss their situation. This resulted in the forgiveness of over $300 million in Disaster relief debt and the establishment of permanent funding.
5. The lowest Black Unemployment rate in the history of our country.
6. The establishment of Opportunity Zones in underserved black communities, drawing in billions of dollars in investment thus providing jobs and services.

- LL
 

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I'm just commenting on Duke's unswerving support for Trump, which continued after his election. He explains that support by saying Trump's vision for America corresponds to his own. How would you explain it?
 

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Every time a t.rump ally comes under scrutiny or lands in jail his tactic is identical, it is to say
,"I don't know anything about him."
or 'I hardly know him."
He's done it dozens on times
 

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Every assertion I made here is a proven fact in the public domain,

The Faux-news Propagandists would agree.

LL can easily deny everything I say,
because he thinks I'm a Democrat.
(even though I already told him I wasn't)
Now he's called me 'an irrational hater', so he has moved the goal post on me.

LL has pegged you as a 'progressive british lady' and just now as 'Fake News' and therefore put you in box he can auto-dismiss.

He just believes the words from T,rumps mouth, and whatever other coordinated propaganda comes from
the Bully Bigot Boys Victim-Complex
known as Faux-news &
Rush Limbaugh & their ilk.

It is a hypnotic cult.
 
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Some call it Trump Derangement Syndrome
Fox 'news' came up with that zinger and repeated it daily to their thralls.

Trump is the only one with that syndrome.
(it includes malignant narcissism and delusions of grandeur and a legion of other problems)
Here are some psychologists who agree:


Lava, you are following a madman.
 
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10 - Your hate is not good for you or other living things.


Your hypocrisy isn't good for you or other living things.


Any political readings you post here are interpreted as what you want them to say. This wouldn't be quite so objectionable, may even be seen as natural, were it not for the fact that you accuse others of doing the very thing you yourself do. When they express a different view to yours you accuse them of seeing what they want to see.

Hypocrisy like that isn't good for any sentient being to have to accommodate.
 

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Moss Elk, LL, please could you both refrain from the personal attacks? ('Hate' and 'hypocrisy'.) I know you will both say, 'But it's true.' That's not the point.
 

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Pity, I'd hate to see his 'let's make the I Ching speak my POV' threads left unchallenged in SR.
 

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I know there are some psychologists among us. Would any of them care to comment on Deprogramming cultists?

30 million people in the u.s. have gone
bat-shit crazy (granted they were tempermentally borderline to start with), while the rest of us watch in the strange alternation of
horror and giggles.
(remember the 51's about the Orange One?) Keep calm and carry on.
 
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