...life can be translucent

Menu

US Politics (from 'How Will Trump Do In The November elections? 17 Unchanging')

Lavalamp

visitor
Joined
Oct 21, 2011
Messages
1,094
Reaction score
191
I'm just commenting on Duke's unswerving support for Trump, which continued after his election. He explains that support by saying Trump's vision for America corresponds to his own. How would you explain it?

No, you are implying Trump must be a racist because David Duke thinks he makes more sense as a President than Hillary Clinton. And by implication everyone else who voted for Trump must also be a racist, including all the blacks who voted for him, the 10% of Bernie voters than voted for him, and almost half the American People, even though that's many of the same people that elected Obama by 56%.

No your reasoning is not rational , it is an unfair political smear - and it's pretty offensive Hilary.

- LL
 

moss elk

visitor
Joined
Jul 22, 2013
Messages
3,280
Reaction score
1,049
No your reasoning is not rational ...
it's pretty offensive Hilary.
- LL

If I found myself around offensive irrational people, I would leave.
Logically, that's the only Sane decision.
 
Last edited:

hilary

Administrator
Joined
Apr 8, 1970
Messages
19,150
Reaction score
3,418
No, you are implying Trump must be a racist because David Duke thinks he makes more sense as a President than Hillary Clinton. And by implication everyone else who voted for Trump must also be a racist, including all the blacks who voted for him, the 10% of Bernie voters than voted for him, and almost half the American People, even though that's many of the same people that elected Obama by 56%.

No your reasoning is not rational , it is an unfair political smear - and it's pretty offensive Hilary.

- LL
Yes, I'm implying Trump must be a racist because avowed racists find his policies reflect their views. Not implying that all his supporters are racists, however.
 

Liselle

Supporter
Clarity Supporter
Joined
Sep 20, 1970
Messages
12,852
Reaction score
2,389
@hilary @moss elk @Querent777 @Trojina (am @-ing you all not to overblow this but because some days have passed since Sunday (I'm behind) - and you've all clearly demonstrated willingness to discuss it - and because Freedda's reading didn't get any discussion in the first place)

@Freedda literally asked Yi this question. So if we're going to speculate anyway, we can just as easily make it reading-based.

I think I still agree with myself that Trump's mostly interested in getting things done, that he's focussed on his own priorities and therefore not focussed on other things.

I understand what everyone's saying. It's very easy to look at his actions, and his supporters and their actions, and draw conclusions.

But I wonder if another explanation could be that his relative de-prioritizing creates a vacuum that people like David Duke are happy to exploit? Politicians and people at that level are very good at recognizing and exploiting anything like that, that they possibly can.

This could very easily create disconnects, where appearance and reality might be two different things, and if that's what's happening I do think Trump should recognize it and do more to fix it. Remember Obama and the Jeremiah Wright controversy, where Obama had to disavow his own pastor because Wright's radical views weren't compatible with being president? Obama took it seriously, addressed it, and we all moved along. Has Trump ever done anything like that? Can he be bothered to? Hexagram 7 might suggest he just can't be bothered.



On the other hand, there's 7's Image, "A noble one accepts the people and nurtures crowds." Not sure what to make of that vis a vis Freedda's question. That Trump does whatever will rouse the biggest crowds for Trump and let him get his stuff done, completely neutrally, and he really doesn't care who's in them? Or that he's encouraging a racist army?

(We might actually not get anywhere with this just because it's unchanging... thanks, Yi...)
 

moss elk

visitor
Joined
Jul 22, 2013
Messages
3,280
Reaction score
1,049
(We might actually not get anywhere with this just because it's unchanging... thanks, Yi...)

The day you drop this strange idea about unchanging hex's meaning that you can't relate to it, is the day your Yi interpretation will 'level up'. (I think you got it from Hilary, and I don't think that is what she meant.)

7 is about discipline, order, and an experienced competent leader.

The chaos of the last three years shows there is no order in the white house.

The Orange-Id has no discipline,
he watches 6 hours of bigot central's
fox 'news' and eats buckets of fast food, he has no discipline.

I know enough about you Liselle to know that you have a tendency to want to see the best in everyone and everything, and to apply that to t.Rump causes you to focus on his incompetence, And yes, he is quite incompetent in addition to being an evil troll who kept Hitlers speeches by his bedside. (did you notice that his ex wife said that?) (can you imagine any good reason for it?) (well, ok we can imagine anything.
So, do you think he reads Hilter for scholarly purposes?)


And as you search him for the lesser evil parts of him...
All you find is Incompetenace
And yes Incompetence is less evil than evil,
but it isn't a virtue on Santa's Nice list.
 
Last edited:

Trojina

Supporter
Clarity Supporter
Joined
May 29, 2006
Messages
26,921
Reaction score
4,426
The day you drop this strange idea about unchanging hex's meaning that you can't relate to it, is the day your Yi interpretation will 'level up'. (I think you got it from Hilary, and I don't think that is what she meant.)


It was from a blog of Hilary's. She said the relating hexagram shows often where we are in relation to the topic of the question. With an unchanging hexagram there's no place to stand to view it you're in it. To find out what she actually said need to link to blog.


@hilary @moss elk @Querent777 @Trojina (am @-ing you all not to overblow this but because some days have passed since Sunday (I'm behind) - and you've all clearly demonstrated willingness to discuss it - and because Freedda's reading didn't get any discussion in the first place)

I don't recall any reading of Freeda's on this ? Hang on that link you gave is an old one..

I don't think I've shown any willingness to discuss political readings, you know what a waste of time I think those are. Also now we are in open space this conversation isn't about readings, especially one that was never connected to this thread ? You also know I don't think Yi gives instant access to other people's minds....I'm puzzled as to where you're trying to go with this :???:

Also it seems strange to be trying to reignite an argument here ? Why ? What are you aiming for ?

If people want to do readings on Trump it's up to them but I'm unlikely to be spending any time speculating on the casts. I do readings for me, if I want to know about politics I can read and so on.


Have been reading today how it's thought Trump's ill

Clearly he is too weak for the role he has on all levels, I can't see him lasting.
 
Last edited:

hilary

Administrator
Joined
Apr 8, 1970
Messages
19,150
Reaction score
3,418
With regard to 7uc, it's not hard to come up with a variety of interpretations. For instance:
  1. Trump considers the whole of humanity to be a single race, everyone united in one army; he accepts people just like the junzi of the Image.
  2. Trump considers one should mount a campaign against racism
  3. Trump understands race conflict (sequence) to be the wellspring of his own support, generating his 'army' of supporters. Like the earth absorbing water, he will accept support from any source. Provided he attains his objectives (power, prestige), he is utterly unconcerned that 'to apply this poisons all under heaven' (Tuanzhuan).
#3 looks self-evident to me. LL will, I predict, go for option 1.
 

Liselle

Supporter
Clarity Supporter
Joined
Sep 20, 1970
Messages
12,852
Reaction score
2,389
Thanks, Hilary. I can see #3. 7uc as means to an end where the end is his own election. Maybe he doesn't have any deeply-held racist beliefs himself, but he'll let it foment in other people if he thinks it'll help him. That fits with his narcissism, and isn't it pretty widely accepted that he doesn't have much of an ideology?

Hm. I've usually thought that's a strength, not a weakness (we've been quite overstuffed with ideology in recent years, on all sides, tyvm), but not that way, it's not.


(Moss, Hilary's list pretty much demonstrates the difficulty I have with unchanging readings.)
 

hilary

Administrator
Joined
Apr 8, 1970
Messages
19,150
Reaction score
3,418
Hilary's list pretty much demonstrates the difficulty I have with unchanging readings.
I think it just demonstrates the difficulty we all have with readings that are about third parties and make fundamentally no difference to us, multiplied by the usual fun with political bias in interpretation. But basically, I'd say that for a reading to speak to you so you can hear it and know what it's saying, it needs to be about your own concerns, with the potential to change something in your own life. (A question like, 'What would I be doing, if I voted for x?' for instance.)
 

Liselle

Supporter
Clarity Supporter
Joined
Sep 20, 1970
Messages
12,852
Reaction score
2,389
I have plenty trouble with my own unchanging readings, though.

Plus I think this one speaks to me just fine now.
 

Trojina

Supporter
Clarity Supporter
Joined
May 29, 2006
Messages
26,921
Reaction score
4,426
Why what do you think it's telling you ?

You can't rule out the 7uc may be for the querent. I could be wrong but as I recall the thread was connected to other threads that were going on at the time, so as I recall it was a thread to take in context. I think there were a lot of Trump threads at the time, it may have been a comment on those and I think there was also a thread about what Trump ate for breakfast or something. One that wasn't intended seriously but got serious answers.

I think it just demonstrates the difficulty we all have with readings that are about third parties and make fundamentally no difference to us, multiplied by the usual fun with political bias in interpretation. But basically, I'd say that for a reading to speak to you so you can hear it and know what it's saying, it needs to be about your own concerns, with the potential to change something in your own life. (A question like, 'What would I be doing, if I voted for x?' for instance.)


Amen.
 

Liselle

Supporter
Clarity Supporter
Joined
Sep 20, 1970
Messages
12,852
Reaction score
2,389
Why what do you think it's telling you ?
Thanks, Hilary. I can see #3. 7uc as means to an end where the end is his own election. Maybe he doesn't have any deeply-held racist beliefs himself, but he'll let it foment in other people if he thinks it'll help him. That fits with his narcissism, and isn't it pretty widely accepted that he doesn't have much of an ideology?

Hm. I've usually thought that's a strength, not a weakness (we've been quite overstuffed with ideology in recent years, on all sides, tyvm), but not that way, it's not.

Not 100% sure, of course, but I'm hardly ever 100% sure about my own readings, either. Far from it.
 

Liselle

Supporter
Clarity Supporter
Joined
Sep 20, 1970
Messages
12,852
Reaction score
2,389
Not to worry, I'm still (smugly) Queen of Not-Seeing-What's-Before-My-Eyes, you will not dethrone me. (I must be queen of something, after all! - it's either that or clumsiness :rolleyes: 👑 :lol: )
 

Liselle

Supporter
Clarity Supporter
Joined
Sep 20, 1970
Messages
12,852
Reaction score
2,389
Have been reading today how it's thought Trump's ill
Mm, well, here's the ad they're talking about. I have no idea whether he's well or ill, but if that's the best they've got, it's ridiculous. At least silly. The hoisting of the water bottle looked like one of his affectations. He made an exaggerated production out of drinking water ( :rolleyes2: ), as he does with absolutely everything.

The ramp - has no one else ever been careful walking down a ramp? Before watching it I expected to see he'd stumbled, which he didn't. (And even if he would - I trip over my own feet, dare I say plain air, all the time for no good reason.)

I mean, as if he doesn't hand us enough real stuff on a silver platter...
 

Trojina

Supporter
Clarity Supporter
Joined
May 29, 2006
Messages
26,921
Reaction score
4,426
Regardless one would suppose some degree of senility or something from his strange behaviour. Posting absurd tweets at a time of national emergency, his grandiosity when claiming he would have the coronavirus beat by Easter and all that, the idea one could inject disinfectant to kill the virus, the list could go on and on.
Surely it's clear he's not all there, the evidence is before you every day isn't it ?
 

hilary

Administrator
Joined
Apr 8, 1970
Messages
19,150
Reaction score
3,418
Agreed, I don't see the point of campaigning against him on the basis of minor physical infirmities. It brings to mind Trump bullying that reporter for his disability.

'Some degree of senility or something' - yes, but surely the effects matter more than precisely what the 'or something' is. Frontotemporal dementia, narcisstic delusions, some combination of the two... the effects are the same.
 

Trojina

Supporter
Clarity Supporter
Joined
May 29, 2006
Messages
26,921
Reaction score
4,426
In his position obviously the effects matter more than the diagnoses of what is wrong with him, I haven't said otherwise.
 

hilary

Administrator
Joined
Apr 8, 1970
Messages
19,150
Reaction score
3,418
In his position obviously the effects matter more than the diagnoses of what is wrong with him, I haven't said otherwise.
Of course. Don't mind me - thinking about Trump at all makes me gloomy.
 

Liselle

Supporter
Clarity Supporter
Joined
Sep 20, 1970
Messages
12,852
Reaction score
2,389
Well - I think it matters whether it's his personality or a neurological disease, but given he's Trump I bet it's the former. He's always been 16-ish.

Here's an interesting article which sort of, maybe, reminds me of my 15.3 reading ("Trump's path to re-election?") in a way I can't explain very well.

One of the things it speculates about is he doesn't like being president, and might not care whether he wins.

 

Liselle

Supporter
Clarity Supporter
Joined
Sep 20, 1970
Messages
12,852
Reaction score
2,389
(Now that's interesting. I pasted just the plain url there, and XF posted not the url, nor the fancy link box-display snippet-thing whose proper name I forget, but the title of the article.)
 

Trojina

Supporter
Clarity Supporter
Joined
May 29, 2006
Messages
26,921
Reaction score
4,426
Well - I think it matters whether it's his personality or a neurological disease, but given he's Trump I bet it's the former. He's always been 16-ish.


If he's not fit for office, and there is no 'if' really, then it doesn't matter why what matters is he gets out of office asap surely. If you have a mad man as a president why would you be interested in particular diagnoses when he still holds power ?


One of the things it speculates about is he doesn't like being president, and might not care whether he wins.

The articles seems to me to be about the fact he really is not fit for office
 

Liselle

Supporter
Clarity Supporter
Joined
Sep 20, 1970
Messages
12,852
Reaction score
2,389
If he's not fit for office, and there is no 'if' really, then it doesn't matter why what matters is he gets out of office asap surely. If you have a mad man as a president why would you be interested in particular diagnoses when he still holds power ?
Because if it's his personality, we know what we're getting ahead of time and have the right to choose it or not. A medical condition that's developed since then would be a different matter.
 

Liselle

Supporter
Clarity Supporter
Joined
Sep 20, 1970
Messages
12,852
Reaction score
2,389
No sooner did I post that than I remember how Franklin Roosevelt hid his paralysis from the country (he'd had polio as a younger adult).... sigh. Can we make an exception for FDR, please?
 

moss elk

visitor
Joined
Jul 22, 2013
Messages
3,280
Reaction score
1,049
The inability to walk is not unfitness to lead.

t.rumps unfitness is of the cognitive, tempermental, and moral kind.
 

moss elk

visitor
Joined
Jul 22, 2013
Messages
3,280
Reaction score
1,049
So, you've all probably seen the comments on websites and youtube made by the brainwashed followers of QAnon
(a republican political operative-conspiracy theorist), and wondered what do these people look like in real life?
Well here is some video of a nut:



EbUjXaMWAAEWy6t.jpeg.jpg
 
Last edited:

Clarity,
Office 17622,
PO Box 6945,
London.
W1A 6US
United Kingdom

Phone/ Voicemail:
+44 (0)20 3287 3053 (UK)
+1 (561) 459-4758 (US).

Top