We need a name

[Sparhawk]

Darn it, Val! Stop thinking of me as Neo-Pagan. I was raised Catholic. I feel neglected...

L

 

[candid]

Val, of COURSE I do. I love everyone here.

What I meant can be compared to most doctors: they go to school for years to learn intricate facts about anatomy, etc. In there own minds this makes them superior to regular folks who just know enough about medicine to be dangerous. It's understandable. But often something importantly human is lost in their in-depth education.

That said, I'm grateful for intellectuals because they often contain a huge storage of information, and at their core they can be wonderfully warm human beings, especially if they've retained a little self-debasing humor.

 

[cal val]

Luis...

Your slip is showing.

Oh WAIT! That's not a slip. That's your altar boy surplice under your jacket... isn't it. *titters*


Candid...

"I love everyone here."

ding ding ding... cor-rect answer! Don Fardo, tell the man what's he's won!

*grin*

Intellectual... it's a dirty job but somebody's gotta do it. Heh.

Seriously though, I appreciate intellectuals too and not just as intellectuals.

Love ya,

Val

 

[candid]

Whad?I win?? A trip to Mazatlan? A dozen bagels from Irma?s Deli? A date with Luis in drag?

 

[dobro p]

The latter. But you're the one in drag. He's the ichinquero.

 

[dobro p]

The latter. But you're the one in drag. He's the ichinguero.

 

[dobro p]

He can even spell it right the first time. Consider yourself lucky.

 

[Sparhawk]

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Candid, as long as you play the guitar and sing, buy the wine and bring a couple of other ladies, I'll wear drags. No problems. I'll even play a lesbian...

lol

L

 

[candid]

Wait a minute. I won but I have to pick up the tab? Never mind. Where's the bagels?

 

[candid]

Phone conversation: Hi Marie. How would you and your lovely roommate like to join me tonight for a date with a cross-dressing lesbian in a man?s body? Yeah, I?m bringing my guitar to serenade him, uh, Her! I mean... *click*

 

[Sparhawk]

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Wait a minute. I won but I have to pick up the tab? Never mind. Where's the bagels?<!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>

Candid, let's do some numbers:

Guitar playing and singing = $0.00
A couple of bottles of wine = $50.00
A couple of ladies friends = $0.00 (they are friends...)
A date with Luis in drags = Priceless

Besides, being a tightwad is no way to treat a lady... lol

Luis

PS: Ok, I take us all to dinner... How's that? Men... This is what feminism has done to them all...

 

[dobro p]

So here's me out here interpreting Yi tosses for the lovelorn, and there's you two about to launch yourselves into a cross-dressing evening that will a)entertain the women you'll be with b) impress those women with your imagination and freedom of expression and humor c) win their hearts, and last but not least... d) Candid's buying the wine.

Allow me a bit of envy here.

dobro
ichinguero a las estrellas

 

[candid]

lol

 

[dobro p]

Young Lady #1 to Luis: "So - what's the dress about? I mean, really?"

Luis: "Madame, *I*... am an ichinguero."

Young Lady #1 to Candid: "And that makes you...?"

Candid: "Chouyista here, darling. More wine?"

Young Lady #1 to Young Lady #2, sotto voce: "Well, the first one *is* kinda cute. I'd hit it, I think. You okay with the other one?"

YL #2: "Definitely. I don't like men in dresses. Especially when they take them off."












You guys have all the luck.

 

[pagan]

no se dice "de las estrellas" se dice "para las estrellas" es verdad?

 

[dobro p]

dobro (I make it up as I go along)
ichinguero para las estrellas

 

[omshante]

you guys gone nuts?

 

[martin]

Two nuts for the price of one!
Guaranteed nonsense!
Why wait? Get nuts today!

Yinut

 

[pagan]

I wrote on another thread:
"Other 'chingueros' think that hexagram 6 calls for compromise, but from the commentaries I read, no compromise is possible in the situation."

and Lightangel replied:

"Pagan: IChingueros is one thing, Chingueros can mean something bad in some spanish speaking countries.."

Now I am dying of curiosity.

 

[luz]

Well, the verb 'chingar' can mean something like.... "coming to meet"?

Other spanish speaking people might have other translations, though.

I Ching diviners : ICHINGUEROS, don't forget the I.

 

[Sparhawk]

LOL! You guys are something else... I can't believe that name has stuck... Now, whatever you do, don't be saying "chingar" anywhere near Hispanics. It is a slang word that translates directly to the F four letter word...

L.

PS: The "I" is very important. Yup, don't forget it...

 

[pagan]

Well anyway, the changing lines and hexagrams always have a judgment "good fortune, misfortune, no blame..." so I guess I will just settle on Ifortune teller.

 

[cal val]

Hi Pagan...

Actually, the lines don't all have a prgnostic... which is what ji (auspicious), li (dangerous), jiu (misfortune) and xiong (disastrous) are.

Quoting Richard Rutt in ZHOUYI, the book of changes, pg 132-133:

"Each line statement is composed of up to four elements: oracle, indication, prognostic and observation. Most lines have two or three elements, and some have one element only. Any of the four may be lacking, even the oracle."

Love,

Val

 

[pagan]

What is the difference between oracle and prognostic?

You mean like 31 line 6 just says "words are words" but gives no prognosis good or bad. Or 58 line 6 just says "seduction" but says no right or wrong about it.

That is funny because most commentators cannot resist putting a prognosis to these lines even if the Zhouyi remained neutral about them.

Perhaps an Iprognosticator would be a good tittle.

 

[omshante]

ICHINGAAAAAAR!

 

[cal val]

Pagan...

Here goes... quoting the Rutt book again... a book I believe you would love. His translation of the Zhouyi is at the very least entertaining. He uses rhyme quite often. Here's a couple of examples:

The oracle of 25's hexagram statement:

If it is not right,
sad is our plight.

The oracle of line 25.3:

Unexpected, mortified!
Someone tied an ox outside.
A passer-by was gratified,
a citizen was mortified.

"The Shici, the oracle itself... is the heart of the line statement, a phrase or sentence that encapsulates the divinatory value of each line. Some omen value, expressed poetically or symbolically, can usually be discerned.

The Gaoci, an indication... indicate the effect and value of the oracle, frequently defining the type of problem (choosing a house site, choosing a bride, expecting an attack, planning a military expedition, etc) to which the oracle principally applies.

Duanci, a prognostic, I defined in my previous post.

Yanci, an observation... elaborates or comments on the prognostic, sometimes suggesting a degree of modification, even contradiction. An observation may modify a prognostic of danger, suggesting that all will fall out well in the end; or it may hint that an auspicious augury will lead to trouble at a later stage... Such observations may have been derived from individual experiences with the oracle."

Love,

Val

 

[Sparhawk]

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Ok then, Claudette, let's write a Kamasutra type of book based on the Yi. We could be very creative. Each hexagram a position. If that wasn't fun enough, it gets even more exciting when we start counting moving lines. Transitions from position to position. Now, start your libido engines...

Disclaimer: I'm not responsible for steam ruined screens and keyboards. Post at your own risk. This room could get very hot and humid.

Luis

 

[martin]

Sounds like a good idea, Luis, but I suggest that we choose the lines ourselves and don't ask the Yi.
It might come up with 34,6 and some lines are even worse ..

 

[Sparhawk]

Well, I see that you are not into S&M, Martin... Not saying that I am though, but, sometimes, no pain, no gain... lol

L.

 

[pagan]

41.3 is a menage a trois that becomes the mere missionary position?