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JoeCampbell

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Dear Everyone
So I still can't get my heart to answer in a way that I can hear, so I ask Yi "What are the chances for us as a couple?" and I get 30, unchanging. And I can make no sense of that at all.
I ask again, this time "How should I understand Radiance?" and I get 2.5.6 - 23.....and I have to say I get 2 often in response to questions about this woman and our being a couple.....
There must be an answer somewhere...thanks
 

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2.5.6 goes 20, not 23... or did you mean 2.6 only?
 

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Thanks Tiziano - it was 2.5.6 - 20, no idea why I noted 23......any thoughts?
 

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30:

The trigrams show a pair of radiant people which cause the hexagram as a whole. This indicates a glowing light spreading in all directions. This may mean that the two of you share the same sort of "intelligence", and the two of you have the potential to culminate in something beautiful. i.e. the relationship has the potential to work.

Hex 30 shows a person finding something to hold on to after a long fall. I think this fares well for relationships.

It also says: "Connection of the two radiant people requires shining light on EVERYTHING." It urges you to look at the big picture.

2 and 20 together could roughly be indicating "contemplating the surface of the world". Maybe there's something you're ignoring in looking at the little things, or looking inward. 29 is the inward path. 30 is the outward path. You're supposed to pay attention to 30 here.
 

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2.6 is about the destructiveness of power struggles.

Hex 30 unchanging shows the potential for a great relationship, but the thing is that you have to get the various elements of your life into synch in order to experience that. On its own, it is too static and maybe chaotic and disorganized.
 

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Next step - 44!

So I think in terms of Ginnie's comment and I ask her out for the evening, she says "I can only see you if you are sure it is to be you and me as a couple" - I sleep on it and then this morning I ask "what about saying Yes, she's the one" and I get an unchanging 44 which either means this is a big distraction away from your life path which will yield nothing, or it's a creative injection for a short time (which will not last).
So what do you do - say yes to someone who wants/believes in a proper relationship but knowing that "44" is playing in the background? Or say no to a "radiant (30)" partnership??
I'm lost.
 
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"What are the chances for us as a couple?" and I get 30
In my personal experience, it means yes if you look after each other.

"How should I understand Radiance?" and I get 2.5.6>20
If you only look at the radiance of the skirt (2.5) you'll both get hurt (2.6).
You also need respect, or to really think about what you truly want (20).
20 also says, "the ablution has been made, but not yet the offering".
So, she asked you if you want to be a couple, and you did not immediately offer it.
Fair enough to take time to think, but I'm wondering if she took it as indecision on your part?

"what about saying Yes, she's the one" and I get an unchanging 44
She asked you if you two are going out for the evening as a couple.
It's very different to tell her "you're the one" - that's a long way from a date!
In my opinion 44 here means she will freak out if she hears, just like that, she's the one.
44 is very much about a crisis (or untrustworthy, or lusty, person) approaching us.
I've had this for untrustworthy men approaching me, or even for illness!

30 is pretty much about slowly building a life together, looking out for each other.
Accepting our differences, and building on our strengths, and being there.
So if you say to someone, without any foundation, "you're the one"....
well it does sound a bit unrealistic, a bit dangerous, a bit alarming actually, or even fake.

Anyway, this is my take on your answers, hope you two manage a 30!

PS - hidden line in 2.5.6>20 is line 8.6. If you really want her, don't take too long to think.
 

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Yeah, I agree with diamanda on 44. I was going to put that here, but didn't want to throw out any unsettling vibes. But I really think 44 is telling you to take the upper hand here, and not play into silly games like that. It's a first date, not as huge a commitment as she's making it out to be.
 

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In my experience, 44 unchanging is very auspicious for going to meet someone. In its unchanging form, it can avoid the heavy vibes of some of the other 44 combinations. JoeCampbell, please come back and let us know what happened!
:)
 

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update

Dear All

Firstly thank you deeply for your insights, in fact we did end up seeing each other and all the old fire was still there (it wasn't a first date - we've been on and off for nearly two years). But nevertheless she is protecting herself from things going "too far" which I respect. So, for the time being we are just friends, in touch occasionally (seeing each other again this weekend) but not in a relationship. I have also said that I need time to figure things out and that she is of course free to find another.

Then with regards to Saturday I asked, what about seeing S this Saturday? and got 44.2.6 - 31......comments appreciated but either way I will let you know how/if this develops.

Heartfelt thanks again
 

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Interpretations of line two moving are so various that I usually don't know what to make of it myself. Line six moving is clearer. There will be a rebuff or distancing going on.
 

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What ginnie said, but also the two hexagrams are seemingly contradictory. 44 says "No availing of grasping the woman". But 31 says "grasping the woman is favorible".

The overall meanings are the yang lines blocking the imposing yin line (44), then a connection between a young man (Mountain) and a young woman (Lake).

The individual line changes in 44 are:

2 > Retreat (the yang lines retreat from the yin lines)

6 > An Excess of the Great (four yang lines which threaten to snap)

How do we begin to assimilate all this information? Well, in both line changes, and the original hexagram, the yang lines are threatened by the yin lines. But then the actual changes happen, and it turns out good. So perhaps this is telling you not to worry, and let the relationship develop.
 

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