What direction: hex. 17 moving to 62 ?

[french_taoist]

Hello everyone!

Lately I have asked the Yi the following question: "what direction should I take with my job-searching?", which I do on a regular basis to make sure I'm not getting too much off-track.
Anyway, I got the following hexagrams: 17 moving to 62.
I have a few ideas what that could mean but knowing that hex. 17 is not an easy one to interpret I kind of have a hard time seeing the big picture here. So, your help would be very much appreciated!

I also asked the Yi this other question: how about working as a Marketing Associate with this company? and got hex.52.
I'm not sure if the Yi is trying to tell me: you already know the answer to this question, just look within yourself.

Regarding the interpreter job I mentioned in one of my prior posts, they finally decided not to hire someone to do the talking with the French rugby players :-(
However, I was told of an opening for a French Translator position with an insurance company that has offices locally, so we'll see if that works out this time...
If you're new and would like to catch up with what I just hinted at above, you could always skim through my previous posts about the same subject in the pages below:

http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/I_Ching_community/messages/92/2068.html?1084528972

http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/I_Ching_community/messages/92/2132.html?1086520503

http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/I_Ching_community/messages/92/2246.html?1087867551

Thanks in advance for any kind of input!

 

[bradford_h]

Hi-
The hit I get is to look for opportunities that would encourage you to learn and grow, or to look for something at which you aren't already expert, something that calls on your humility, maybe valuable skills and other rewards now and higher pay in the future.
Following isn't really about following a leader, more like following the pulse of things (thunder in the lake) or following clues and opportunities.
b

 

[french_taoist]

Bradford,

Your perspective on my reading is very helpful! That actually reminds me of what Hilary told me not long ago; according to her, I was likely to encounter hex.54 as a recurring pattern in my job hunt:

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(...) 54 says you're taking those abilities into a context where you'll feel out of your depth. (Of course I am cheerily projecting here how I would feel if asked to do live interpreting - hope it's still near the mark...) The moving lines strike me as encouragement for thinking big, and just very good news indeed.

(...) Both 26 and 11 have 54 as nuclear hexagram, by the way - that same possibility of being swept up to a new level beyond your experience or control. Maybe the '54 experience' is something you need to travel through?
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Would you confirm that?

Regarding hex. 17, you said:
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Following isn't really about following a leader, more like following the pulse of things (thunder in the lake) or following clues and opportunities.
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does that mean you would agree with R. L Wing ("The I Ching Workbook") when he translates hex.17 as "Adapting"?
Meaning adapting to the forces involved in a situation, ie: knowing when to act and when to rest or when to speak and when to be silent, etc.

Thanks so much for your insights!!

Christophe/French_Taoist

 

[french_taoist]

Today, I asked the Yi about a career opportunity that has recently caught my attention: "how about working as an activist with this organization?"
I got hex. 12 moving to hex.20

I'm not sure what that could mean. My current take on the reading is the following:
I'm pretty much at a standstill jobwise right now (hex.12) but this opportunity (if it's really what I want to do) could give me a boost (line 4), but I should keep in mind that this opportunity may just be temporary (hex.20).

I would be very interested to know what's your take guys on this one?

Thank you.

By the way, if anyone else could share their insights with me about my first two readings in this thread, ie: hex.17 moving to 62 and hex.52, that would be awesome!

 

[bradford_h]

Hi Christophe-
yes, like Hilary said.
I would be careful about tagging Sui with the meaning "Adapting" though. Part of it fits really well, but "Adapting" covers lots of ground and can as easily describe Gua 57 and the Ba Gua Sun (Wood Wind).
Your sense of it as "knowing when to" is good, and this is the advice in the Da Xiang.

 

[bradford_h]

& on 12.4 zhi 20

this is about subordination too, of yourself and your short term goals (and even your happiness) to your higher puropses and longer objectives.

"Do I then strive after HAPPINESS? I strive after my WORK!" Nietzsche

 

[french_taoist]

Hello Bradford,

thanks so much for your posts, they're very helpful !

Going back to hex.17, would you agree that part of its meaning has to do with discernment?

As for hex.12.4 and hex.20, I'm a little confused as it doesn't seem to answer my question, ie: "how about working as an activist with this organization?" or at least not directly.
Besides, what do you mean exactly by:
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this is about subordination too, of yourself and your short term goals (and even your happiness) to your higher puropses and longer objectives.<!-/Quote-!><HR SIZE=0></BLOCKQUOTE>

are my higher purposes and longer objectives related to my calling/vocation in any manner?

are you suggesting that the Yi is telling me that in order for me to find that job rewarding (which allows me to reach higher purposes) I will have to make sacrifices and put that job before my immediate well-being and any short term goals I may have?

-- Christophe/French_Taoist

 

[bradford_h]

Hi Christophe-
Was gone for the weekend. Sorry for the delay.
I don't think I'd use "discernment" for 17 either, unless it was in the limited sense of taking a pulse. Certainly more of a sensing than thinking, so maybe more like attunement than discernment
As to higher purpose, only some people even have this. I don't think it's very common, but when it's the real deal it's vocation or calling in the true sense of the terms, which is to say that it's bigger than you are, and so it's not about you or how you feel about it. And it takes time to master the skills one needs to leave the world a better place. That's why they call it the Great Work.

 

[french_taoist]

Bradford, thanks for answering my questions and helping me understand better the subtleties of hex.17.
Do you think as far as my job hunt is concerned I shouldn't depend too much on the Yi? A few days ago I came across a message Jeff posted to someone who seemed to be in distress (see below) and it kind of made me think of my own relationship with the Yi in those times which are so vital for me in many respects...

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You mention that you're new to the I Ching. It can be quite difficult to understand the oracle, and at times it stumps even very knowledgable users. In addition, one develops a sort of relationship with it. This relationship leads to personal growth, but in it's own way that growth, though quite valuable, can be confusing and disruptive at times - it can challenge your belief system, even about things as fundamental the nature of reality.

Because of this, it might not be such a good idea to rely overmuch on the I Ching during a time of crisis such as you are going through right now. Asking the I Ching for solutions to "mission critical" problems when you are just beginning to learn from it sounds to me like something that could potentially create more problems than it solves, at least in the short term.

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Christophe/French_Taoist

 

[bradford_h]

Hi Christophe-
You are concerned that you shouldn't depend too much on the Yi?
I think we should only depend on the Yi in the sense that a master carpenter depends on his tools. It's he who designs and builds. But good tools can be a mighty fine thing.
This is your hand and your life. I wouldn't turn it over to anything.

 

[jte]

Hi, Toastie -

If I remember correctly, both your unemployment situation and your relationship with the Yi have been going on for some time. Also, you are coping emotionally with everything from what I can tell - it comes out in your postings, you seem upbeat despite the difficulties.

So, I never got the sense with you that using the Yi might be disruptive for ya, or I would have said something.

That said, I agree very much with Brad's post above.

- Jeff

 

[french_taoist]

Hi Bradford,
sorry for the delay, it's been pretty hectic at home lately (a convalescent wife and a 3 and half month old son to take care of)
Thanks for answering my concern. Your carpenter "metaphor" really spoke to me and, I think, may guide me on how to better use the Yi!
All the best

-- Christophe/French_Taoist

 

[french_taoist]

Hello Jeff,

Yeah, I have been unemployed for quite a while and I have been using the I Ching on and off for a little more than 10 years. However, that doesn't mean I am always upbeat, ie: for the past 3 years I went through 3 small depressions, which lasted about 2 months each.
Anyway, you're right I'm probably not as vulnerable with my relationship with the Yi as the person you sent your post to seemed. I still need to fine tune the way I consult with the Yi though; Bradford's metaphor could be helpful in that sense.

Thanks for caring.

-- Christophe/French_Taoist

PS everybody seems to like my nickname in this forum!