What does it mean that I see well now? 39.4.6 to 33

[Fortuny1889]

Dear all,
I asked Yijing something very intimate. I like to ask him questions like this sometimes.

I submit it to you because I think there is something more than what I see.

Therefore, during the last visit my psychotherapist gave me the feedback that according to him I developed a clear and precise vision of my situation.
At that time I didn't go deeper, but then, as often happens, I went back to thinking about it. So I asked Yijing what the psychotherapist meant more precisely. The response of the coins was 39.4.6> 33

I do not hide from you that it was not easy for me to go beyond the first impression of impediments and difficulties.

In one sentence it seems to me to say that I found a strategy to overcome the impediments. Instead of continuing to climb the mountain of uphill impediments, a return to myself becomes the way to get out of the mentality of the continuous struggle towards obstacles.

Ok. But this interpretation of mine does not tell me much about the "new precise vision of things" of which the psychotherapist spoke to me.

Then the lines that lead to union and collaboration with friends of the same mentality ... too easily make me think of the therapeutic alliance. But I also see my covenant with my Psychic instances, like the unity of the 8 or the return in oneself of the 24th.

I'd like to have your interpretations, I'm sure you can get a lot more out of this launch on this specific question.

I thank everyone who wants to intervene.

Best wishes
Fortuny

 

[Trojina]

In one sentence it seems to me to say that I found a strategy to overcome the impediments. Instead of continuing to climb the mountain of uphill impediments, a return to myself becomes the way to get out of the mentality of the continuous struggle towards obstacles.

I think you read it well but one non Yi related word of advice...well a vague caution really

Some psychotherapists can cause a lot of damage between people. Of course they have to be on your 'side' and they support all you say and they will often turn you against the people in your life who you are close to. That is you can start to build up an image of others close to you as the ones who oppress you or devalue you and so on and so it goes....and you may be paying for this. And then one day your therapy ends and you've alienated the people close to you by building up an image of yourself and them together with therapist of who you are and who they are..... but he isn't going to be there for you, he's there just in a paid role saying all the right things to make you feel good. I know that's a cynical view and not all psychotherapists are the same but too often one sees someone having therapy completely turning on their husband or their close friends and then when the client's fundamental relationships break up the therapist can't help, isn't there. What is more they never knew the people you spoke about, they only know what you told them.

If you have put this therapist in a position of authority which is quite likely since you possibly start to transfer onto them, then he has enormous power over you and you will start to believe what he says over your own reality. End of caution.


But if we take it that the therapist is right then 39.4.6>33 seems apt in the way you described doesn't it. You come back to friendly territory (39.4) you gain a perspective (39.6) and you've had to withdraw in a sense to get this far.

Ok. But this interpretation of mine does not tell me much about the "new precise vision of things" of which the psychotherapist spoke to me.

But why are you asking Yi to tell you what he said. He himself can explain what he said can't he ? Isn't your answer as you understood it and I understood it enough ?


If someone tells you that you have a 'new precise vision of things' you have to ask 'how do they know ?'. I mean a friend might say it and it's an observation, a teacher might say it and it's approval of learning, if a psychotherapist says it and it's a therapist you're attached to, you are going to believe it as if it were a fact which might be part of the therapy. But how does he know you have a precise clear view ? In effect he's telling you that you are now thinking right about things in his opinion but is he the expert on your life ?


I only say all this because I think some therapists can encourage people to make changes they wouldn't otherwise make and not always for the better. I suppose I Ching readers can do that too but it's not a long ongoing relationship as it is with the therapist and the power dynamic with the therapist is a million times greater.

 

[Trojina]

Oh another way to see the cast is there are 2 lines for 2 people, you and him. Line 6 seems very much him, the line often describes a great person turning back to help others along the path. And you could be line 4 limping towards his help. You both do this in the seclusion of the therapy room (33)


For you individually you most likely are seeing things clearly as he said but having followed some of your threads I'm aware you have a husband who is in tears a lot, who wants you to stay whilst you want to leave and I wonder what role the therapist plays in your marriage.

 

[Fortuny1889]

I'm glad what you send me on my interpretation.

I answer your question: why do I ask this thing to Yi? ha ha! To know it before returning to face
the topic in therapy!

What I imagined to find more specifically was something related to my inner core or other instances of my psyche. Yi has often helped me a lot in this sense: he has given me insights that I worked in psychotherapy. It is a further richness and with this question I have tried to find more ...

Surely I will return to talk about it in psychotherapy then I will report here.

I understand well what you say about the power of therapists. It is called power abuse and should never be exercised on one's patients. Good therapists don't. I also know well that a good therapeutic alliance is not based only on pleasing the patient's positive and negative visions of his affective circle. A good and effective therapeutic alliance is based on honesty above all, because otherwise it is no longer an alliance but codependency. And one way to be really honest is, for example, a very simple thing: don't tell the person what he should think of others or question his feelings. This is the first, the easiest and most seductive of the abuses of power in which a psyche operator can run into. One not good, of course. One who is not honest and who has problems with his own narcissism.

A greeting,
Fortuny

 

[Fortuny1889]

Oh another way to see the cast is there are 2 lines for 2 people, you and him. Line 6 seems very much him, the line often describes a great person turning back to help others along the path. And you could be line 4 limping towards his help. You both do this in the seclusion of the therapy room (33)


For you individually you most likely are seeing things clearly as he said but having followed some of your threads I'm aware you have a husband who is in tears a lot, who wants you to stay whilst you want to leave and I wonder what role the therapist plays in your marriage.

I too had imagined a combination like the one you say of the two lines. And it is really easy to see the therapist on the sixth line, so by exclusion the 4th line is me who, in effect, limps.

And here comes the role of therapy: it is the only person who supports me. I have the whole family against it that hinders my decision as if it were a whim to shut down. According to my parents it is normal to live in a relationship without loving each other, but it was just that ... there is much more to me and they cannot understand. They do not live with the sense of failure of my husband who does not strive so much in life. He loves video games and they give them to him as if he were their teenage son. And should I sacrifice my happiness to keep this theater of the absurd alive?

No thanks.

Obviously I also have friends on my side, they understand me and give me courage. But therapeutic support is something that makes the difference. It gave me confidence in my ability to understand the situation I am experiencing, because I assure you, being hindered by the family makes you question your mind so as not to ruin their mood. But now I put myself first.

Evolution: my husband no longer cries, he relaxed a lot a few weeks ...