What does this man want from me? Hex 53

[Pyramid]

Hello all dear friends of the reading circle,

What if I ask the Iching: what does this man want from/with me? and the Iching answers with a simple Hex53uc...

I don't want to put my share of interpretation as of the usual hex 53 (namely gradual development of something..) here, since it would look so not similar to my situation right now, therefore any alternative visions are so welcome

Thanks a lot :bows:

 

[equinox]

Most probably you two are on a good way. But it's almost safe to say, that you should really take it slow and be very patient.

 

[Pyramid]

Thank you blackmilk, from the hex I would feel the same, just that my question is really what "he" wants from (or by being with) me...

 

[equinox]

Maybe this is excactly what he wants from you: to take it slow together, or maybe he doesn't know yet what he wants from you and is sorting things out. Possibly you are faster than him in terms of making plans and knowing what you want.


BUT: Personally I believe that you can't ask the I-Ching what somebody is wanting from you, like you let the I-Ching looking in his head or heart. I think the answers of the I-Ching will always relate to YOU and YOUR mindset. But this is just my opinion, I do not claim to say that I am fully and truly informed about the whole capability of the book of changes.
But regarding your question, no matter of the perspective you take, his or yours, surely this cast is rather auspicious then unfortunate.

 

[Pyramid]

Well if we believe that Iching is the reflection of our super conscious mind and that is in turn the flash of the omnipresent "one mind" well all questions are allowed to be asked and answered Then it comes to our capacity to ask and to listen...

 

[Pyramid]

I liked your answer blackmilk... there is no "like" button here

 

[diamanda]

Hi Pyramid,

53 unchanging shows a slow process, with particular steps to it. It can refer to any process (positive or negative) which is gradual. I find LiSe's translation of it as 'waterwheel' very apt.

So, what does this guy want - 53 says it should already be obvious. Observe the steps he has taken so far with you, because he will continue along those lines. 53 also mentions that the woman is getting married, and it's about the formal steps taken which lead to marriage. Does he appear to have taken such steps with you? Has he courted you, asked you out, treated you nicely, etc? If yes, then he will continue along these lines and he has a 'good' purpose with you. If not, just observe his steps so far, to see if you can figure out what this process is - and keep in mind he plans to continue with the process already started.

 

[Pyramid]

Hi diamanda, welcome to this thread

Our interaction has been awkward at times so far, a mixture of things which I can not yet figure out the sum. What you said about continuing along lines applies and sometimes these lines are just stupid reactions and behaviours of a teenager (he is a grown up) which are confusing. In general yes, a positive and well-intended approach (let's not call it a courting yet).
I asked the Iching again (almost) same question:"What does this man want from/with me at a personal level?" and this time I got 46.2.6 changing to 52...

 

[diamanda]

What does this man want from/with me at a personal level?
46.2.6 > 52

I'm assuming that when you say "what does he want", you mean what his intentions are (as in, what does he intend to do)? Or is your question about his feelings and desires?

46.2 says he wants to offer something small.
46.6 is a line in darkness, it shows exhaustion and failure.
And resulting 52 shows that the person can't be influenced, is stubborn, is keeping still/steady.
This "cocktail", as an answer to what he wants from you, sounds quite bizarre.
It's like he does want something, but it's not substantial, and he's not prepared to 'change' for it.
Is this guy someone who is overly shy, and would expect you to take the initiative? As this reading doesn't point to an optimistic go-getter...

 

[Pyramid]

Oh! does it look nice?
diamanda,

I know him for short, less than two months, and I could just say that "to me" he seems at time naive, and at times secretive/stubborn. Again in general he is nice and friendly and he does many good things for me. By the way the "bizarre cocktail" you mentioned is exactly the reason I started asking this questions After reading your last comment and having this in my mind "well apparently not the time to eat my brain out to figure out.." I asked this last question (a killer one!!):
"Until some major change happens regarding this whole situation, how should I behave towards this person?"
and I got 40 ->1
My interpretation: disengaging with him (40) is already bringing the major change (1)!

Any add-ons?

 

[sailor]

I always imagine that the Sage is talking to me. If the sage tells me 53 with no changing lines, I hear the sage saying, "Let it develop, you don't need to know anything more now". In addition, I feel that the sage is also NOT saying, "Let it end, this is no good" or "Don't bother to contend" or some other answer. I love Carol Anthony's IChing because she constantly reminds us that we should get comfortable with not having all the answers and allow things to be ambiguous. I know that I have ruined the enjoyment of a good book by skipping over all the chapters to read the end. Perhaps if you knew the end right now, you would not see the value that you would acquire through a gradual unfolding of events.

 

[diamanda]

Pyramid I don't know if it looks nice! Depends on what you're after. Some people I know enjoy ambiguity, mystery and so on. I personally don't, but I know it's a matter of taste.

Until some major change happens regarding this whole situation, how should I behave towards this person?
40.1.3.5.6 > 1 (please write the lines next time!)

With the 53 and 52 you got, I think it's a safe bet to assume there won't be any major change. He will continue with the same behaviour. So how should you behave while the situation is like this? You don't get rid of him (40 with many lines) and you renew your interaction with him (1). 1 probably shows that you need to be energetic towards him, confident, extrovert, etc.

disengaging with him (40) is already bringing the major change (1) - sorry I'll disagree with this. The guy can't be influenced by your so far interaction, so if you're waiting for him to take the initiative for something more, I believe he won't. And 40 has 4 lines changing here, so disengaging (40) is not the way to go - be more like 1 instead!

 

[Pyramid]

disengaging with him (40) is already bringing the major change (1) - sorry I'll disagree with this. The guy can't be influenced by your so far interaction, so if you're waiting for him to take the initiative for something more, I believe he won't.

Oh I mostly meant a free mind for me (move away from this case you see), did not wanna play hide-and-seek with him

 

[Pyramid]

I always imagine that the Sage is talking to me. If the sage tells me 53 with no changing lines, I hear the sage saying, "Let it develop, you don't need to know anything more now". In addition, I feel that the sage is also NOT saying, "Let it end, this is no good" or "Don't bother to contend" or some other answer. I love Carol Anthony's IChing because she constantly reminds us that we should get comfortable with not having all the answers and allow things to be ambiguous. I know that I have ruined the enjoyment of a good book by skipping over all the chapters to read the end. Perhaps if you knew the end right now, you would not see the value that you would acquire through a gradual unfolding of events.

Yeah maybe that'd be a better approach, since I started to have weird dreams regarding ruining a relationship! Message from the universe?!!

 

[Pyramid]

Pyramid I don't know if it looks nice! Depends on what you're after. Some people I know enjoy ambiguity, mystery and so on. I personally don't, but I know it's a matter of taste.

Just realized what you said, this "does it look nice" is my way to say: OMG! Now how to handle?!!
I love mystery by the way, but this situation is more of a misunderstanding IMHO

 

[Pyramid]

Well! Back here again
Seems that we will be bond by (sort of close) collaboration for a long time!
So I asked the oracle "What is the higher wisdom attitude of me towards this man?"
and the oracle replied with : 42.2 -> 61
I know it is showing my non-laziness (and courtesy) if I am the first to add my interpretation,
I will drop this one line (hope does not evoke the oracle's wrath on us ):
"Be genuinely nice to him!"
Now please update me with "the" interpretation :bows:

 

[diamanda]

Don't know if it's "the" interpretation, or if there's any wisdom involved

You'll increase this guy in some manner or other. His bank account? His ego? or who knows what else.
It's not as if you have a choice... "ten pairs of tortoises cannot oppose it".
So to me it sounds more like "you WILL be nice/generous/increasing towards him, you don't have a choice".

 

[Pyramid]

Don't know if it's "the" interpretation, or if there's any wisdom involved

You'll increase this guy in some manner or other. His bank account? His ego? or who knows what else.
It's not as if you have a choice... "ten pairs of tortoises cannot oppose it".
So to me it sounds more like "you WILL be nice/generous/increasing towards him, you don't have a choice".

Oh! No choice but to benefit others?!! That sounds somehow desperate
So what will this person give me in return? (I am not a sacrificing type you know): HEX 35.2 > 64.
Does it seem related?
OMG I am so not clear about all which is going on...

 

[Pyramid]

I also asked what he will provide me with in the long run : HEX 45uc...

 

[diamanda]

Pyramid don't take it like that, it's not a matter of being desperate!
You yourself said that "we will be bond by (sort of close) collaboration for a long time".
Probably that's why it's unavoidable that you will increase him in some manner or other.

As about what he'll give you in return, sorry to say this but he won't...
Whatever surplus of benefits he acquires from you, he'll give it to someone higher (than you & himself).
(see this thread for more details)
You will get something in return, but:
from a female higher in the hierarchy, not from him (35.2 > 64). Or from his grandmother

 

[Pyramid]

Pyramid don't take it like that, it's not a matter of being desperate!
You yourself said that "we will be bond by (sort of close) collaboration for a long time".
Probably that's why it's unavoidable that you will increase him in some manner or other.

As about what he'll give you in return, sorry to say this but he won't...
Whatever surplus of benefits he acquires from you, he'll give it to someone higher (than you & himself).
(see this thread for more details)
You will get something in return, but:
from a female higher in the hierarchy, not from him (35.2 > 64). Or from his grandmother

Well not sure what his grandma could offer, but as long as I get the result of my efforts, I do not mind from who
Any idea on 45?

 

[diamanda]

I also asked what he will provide me with in the long run, 45 unchanging

A social context, a group to belong to, a collection.
In any case, it looks like there is benefit for you in this situation.

"It furthers one to see the great man.
This brings success. Perseverance furthers.
To bring great offerings creates good fortune.
It furthers one to undertake something."

 

[Pyramid]

Thanks from an optimistic soul...