What If I tell "this person" that I like her? 47.6 > 6

[farmer]

Greetings!

This is my very first casting. Someone told me about the I Ching and it's accuracy a few years back, so I finally decided to take the plunge. The translation I went for is by Brian Walker, as I wanted something on the shorter side to avoid confusion.

How I went about it, is I sat in meditation for 30-40 minutes to clear my mind. Wrote my question down, than cast my coins.

The answer I got does seem appropriate to my situation, but I'm unsure about a part if it. "quiet strength ensures a later success", and the changing line "difficulty coming to a close.... help only comes where there is room for it to enter". The relating hexagram is to disengage from conflict.

Does this mean that it isn't meant to be, and I should discontinue this line of thought; or that the time isn't right? I can sort of see both of these in the answer. Should I wait some time to ask the same question? Or ask a different question, like 'what that person sees in me' (or what I see in her/she means to me) in order to gain more clarity?


I think I went about the casting in a right way, as the answer feels right. But if anyone as any tips or comments, I will be glad to receive them.

 

[innertruth]

Hi,
As i see it, it shows that you are fearing, exhausted by this
Question and have some inner conflict,dissatisfaction.
But it speaks that as long as you are reasonable about
It and ready to hold firm no matter of the result of
Your action - you have nothing to lose...

Or maybe somehow you already feel and unsure about
Her reaction,expecting the worse and it eats you up...

Just wait, dont act on this conflictuous ground...what you think?

 

[farmer]

There is certainly some fear, otherwise I would have just asked instead of trying to find out the outcome first.

Here is the deal. We met at a meditation retreat where people aren't supposed to pursue relationships. When I got out, I thought that I liked talking with her and just to see what happens, although she lives over an hour away, and I have no clue how long distance thing would even work, driving over a bunch of tolls and bridges isn't really practical.

The problem was that as soon as I got out, I started engaging in substance abuse again. Which isn't really good for my mind, and I also kept bending my mind towards her which ended up becoming a habit pattern. I didn't want to contract her when I was high, for various reasons, I'm just not the same person in that state.

What ended up happening is that I became sad and miserable, my emotions were all over the place and my mind out of balance.

Now that I'm done with substance abuse, I want to figure out if I was just being obsessive or if there is something there worth pursuing. She still enters my mind but much less, it's probably the result of the habit pattern of the mind.

Confusing huh? It's probably more so here, trying to rationalize feelings.....

 

[innertruth]

No, not at all. Thank you for sharing more on your question!

Do you know more about her? You could start as continuing friendship from the center and see
where it goes maybe...Is there any way you can meet again?
I mean just trying to find out more about her, what she does, kind of getting the feel
whether she is open to be friends with you can really help..just my humble opinion..

 

[innertruth]

Line 47.6 seems to talk about the ending of that exhaustive condition, and indicates on your
weakness - that you might need to shake all past from yourself like a mud and be
looking forward to the future. But 6 speaks of some kind of victory you feel you need to have (maybe trying to win her approval just for the sake of it) - In which case, case should be dropped...
47.6 suggest you should be open to a new attitude about situation, or stop being fearful based on
the condition of past you had (substance abuse)

 

[Trojina]

Yes it is a crystal clear answer....go ahead and tell her. 47.6 shows someone imagining the worst, imagining reasons not to act...but all reasons not to act now are based on unfounded fear.

This is not time to wait it is time to let go of fear and go ahead in whatever it is you want to do.

If you read the words of Yi that is what it says

 

[Trojina]

This is my very first casting. Someone told me about the I Ching and it's accuracy a few years back, so I finally decided to take the plunge. The translation I went for is by Brian Walker, as I wanted something on the shorter side to avoid confusion.

Get rid of Brian Walker...you need a proper translation. All Brian Walker is is a watered down version of Carol Anthony and she is just pushing her own Buddhist perspective.

From Hilary's book http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/18...=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=1848374534 , the translation is as follows

'Confined by trailing creepers, by unease and discomfort,
Says, "Acting-regret." With regret setting forth, good fortune.'


Basically anyone can get free of trailing creepers...but here you might imagine they trap you but they don't so go ahead and act

The translation I went for is by Brian Walker, as I wanted something on the shorter side to avoid confusion.

His book isn't even a translation , it's a commentary. That means there are no original words from the I Ching in it, just his opinion of what the I Ching says. His commentary on 47.6 is of no use whatsoever.

Books like this are the most confusing ones to have.

 

[farmer]

Wow, thanks for all the great advice. I had a feeling I might need a different book. My original purchase was based solely on Amazon reviews.

I'm actually at another meditation center right now for a few days, same practice different location. When I get out I'll probably get an electronic version of the Wilhelm book, see if I can get more understanding from it. The impression I get from my book seems different than from yours.

I'll probably contract her after that. Don't know yet what I'll say :/ but will at least try to get to know her better, which I something I want. And if it doesn't amount to anything, at least I tried and will have no reason to hold on to old thoughts.

 

[farmer]

I found and read Hillary's translation of hexagrams 47 and 6 online. It seems almost like a different text.

Can anyone comment on how Hillary's book compares to Wilhelm?


It is saying not to place much value in words. Could I get more insight in this? I'm a guy...we like to rationalize things...

It also seems to say that I need to trust in myself, and discontinue seeking help here :/

The changing hexagram said " A cautious halt halfway brings good fortune.
Going through to the end brings misfortune." I see this as going forth but slowly and with care. Like concentrating on getting to know her better first? Or am I understanding the changing hexagram's purpose wrong? Is it something to be followed or an interpretation on what I think about the situation?

 

[innertruth]

Sometimes I use this website along with classical readings because it can be spot on.

http://divination.com/iching/lookup/47-2/

While 47 suggests that talking will not have much effect simply because it's a position of exhaustion -
words only drain (non-essentials).
But since your line 6 is quite positive - it says - Allow yourself to go forward.
Your problem is more illusory at this point.
Are you resolute inside to contact her? Than be calm and confident about it. You have nothing to lose
anyway as you said yourself just by getting in touch as a meditation friend.

 

[Trojina]

I found and read Hillary's translation of hexagrams 47 and 6 online. It seems almost like a different text.

That is because Hilary has an actual translation of the I Ching in her book and Walker does not. If the words of the I Ching are not there it isn't really the I Ching at all but someone's watered down ideas about it. These can be helpful at times but as they will always be skewed somewhat it is better to have the actual words of the I Ching to hand also.

Can anyone comment on how Hillary's book compares to Wilhelm?

Read the reviews on the Amazon link. I'd say buy both, they aren't expensive second hand

It is saying not to place much value in words. Could I get more insight in this? I'm a guy...we like to rationalize things...

It specifically says not to place value on words as they will not be believed. However in line 6 you are coming out of that time so things are now loosening up. Also there is a comic aspect to 47 at times, since often one really feels things are much worse than they really are. 47.6 is a very apt line for someone who is saying

What ended up happening is that I became sad and miserable, my emotions were all over the place and my mind out of balance

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You're okay. You will be less sad and miserable when you begin to take action, do what you want.

It also seems to say that I need to trust in myself, and discontinue seeking help here :/

It doesn't say discontinue help, it's just with 47 there isn't that much help from others so you have to rely on your inner strength.

The changing hexagram said " A cautious halt halfway brings good fortune.
Going through to the end brings misfortune." I see this as going forth but slowly and with care. Like concentrating on getting to know her better first? Or am I understanding the changing hexagram's purpose wrong? Is it something to be followed or an interpretation on what I think about the situation

The relating hexagram shows the whole background to the question and may include the past, present and future. With one line moving I wouldn't place much emphasis on the relating hexagram. But people vary in how they see this and there is no one 'right way' you have to see what works for you

 

[Trojina]

Also I think you can still download Bradford's translation and commentary free. The link is at the bottom of his post here

http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/frie...readings-respects-I-ching&p=201903#post201903

and there is also Lise's work here http://www.yijing.nl/i_ching/index.html