What if line's text feels totally wrong?

[Tim K]

As line's text was added later, as a hint of a dynamic between 2 hexes, I find that some of them just don't make sense. So I started to just look at the 2 hexes, and also considering the position of the changing line (if there is only one) to get the sense of the answer.

What inspired me were the readings I made for predicting a movie's plot and events.
Some of them didn't make sense at all. e.g:

[Man without a face '93] Will the boy pass school's entrance exam? 48.2 → 39
I thought nope, he'll get mediocre results and won't get in.
But he got in and graduated with honor! His wish came true.

.2 position is proper, passive but proper. Now I think about it like someone bringing water to the well, the well accepting water from someone. Someone has dug deeper and found a new underground river/spring for the well.


Recently another line caught my attention, 14.6 - 34
Perfectly auspicious one, right? But I was suspicious about it, because .6 is almost always too much power/too late/warning.

The question was computer related:
I closed app's window (uTorrent), and waited for the process to quit, using Windows Task Manager to monitor what's happening. The thing is - if I shutdown the computer before uTorrent's process finishes running on next boot up there can be a nasty error. Because somehow uTorrent messes up (locks it preventing access) with ntuser.dat (a very important file where user's profile is stored). I've encountered this problem and solved it in about an hour but I don't want to repeat the experience.

So, I waited for 20 mins (usually it takes about 2-3 minutes) - utorrent was still running.

Should I use taskman and Kill the process (force it to exit) ? 14.6 - 34
Alright I thought, heaven approves, used taskman and the process did shutdown after 3 more minutes, finally.

Then I tried to reproduce the situation by starting the app again and closing it.
And then I realized that I was stupid, closing the window only hides the window, app's icon was still in notification area. Usually I close the app by using menu: File → exit, but that time I just closed the main window. I was developing a powershell script to help me automate the 'closing process', so that I wouldn't have to stare at taskman, the script would do it for me and notify me with a sound.

There was no problem with the app, it was my error.
So 14.6's text is a sham Should be rewritten to 'Uses too much force, looses heaven's support'.
Asked again about was I right to use TaskManager? 28 - of course abuse of power.


Just an interesting reading: 23.1.5.6 - 3.
Something is breaking, then gets sorted out, and hero moves on.
I cast this while watching Jumanji '95, 'What will come out of the game on the next turn?'
Peter throws 2 dice: 1[.1 graphically] + 2[.5 and .6 graphically], his piece reaches center, completes the game.

All comes back[23], they return back in time to the start[3] of the game.
It wasn't 24 - 3, but rather 23. It changed my perception of 23 and 3 forever.


Do you have some lines where text just feels wrong?

I think 30.6-55 is another sneaky one, 'you are too smart for your own good'
and 22.6-36, too much attention to appearance/fashion, forget it.

 

[Tim K]

Another line has drawn my attention today. I've been enjoying sweeet Israeli mandarins labeled 'Jaffa'/'Bnei Dror' for the last month, but they went out of stock as the season ended I presume. So I switched to Pakistani ones, they have many seeds but are also very tasty and sweet.

Yesterday I saw similar mandarins with 'Jaffa' label in the store but as my hands were already full with apples I didn't buy them.

In the evening I asked Yi: Should I buy those Israeli mandarins?
26.6 → 11 (Prospering), Legge:
Shows its subject (as) in command of the firmament of heaven. There will be progress.
Sounds good right? But my reaction was - hmmm, .6 points to too much force/action, like 14.6 does.
Something is fishy with that text. But please follow along, the plot thickens.

So I asked the same question again:
62.1 → 55 (Abundance), Legge:
Suggests (the idea of) a bird flying, (and ascending) till the issue is evil.
Now that's more like it. Stay away, go low, enjoy the Pakistani ones.

Today I decided to buy 10 pcs (2.2kg), to last me a couple of days. Came back from the store and asked Yi to comment my purchase:
33.1 → 13 (Fellowship), Wilhelm:
At the tail in retreat. This is dangerous. One must not wish to undertake anything.
Oh wow, Yi is still negative about it.

Daily reading was 32.6 → 50 (Containing), Richmond: Forced continuance has no merit.
I thought maybe Yi is referring to my desire to chew mandarins, instead of just juicing them, so as to prolong the pleasure of enjoying the taste, advising to return to the normal order of things.
The thing is, Israeli mandarins exude too much oil from the skin when pressed, which gets into juice adding bitterness, so I had to chew them and got used to it.

So I asked is it better to juice them?
56.6 → 62 (Small Details), Legge:
Suggests the idea of a bird burning its nest. The stranger, (thus represented), first laughs and then cries out. He has lost his ox(-like docility) too readily and easily. There will be evil.
Uh-oh, well I think it is better to juice them, but why show me so harsh a line?
.6 too much action/impulse yes, I agree with that. Losing my position/safety.

After some time pondering on the answer, perplexed by such reaction, I asked with a sense of desperation
[staying on juice diet is not that easy and now there will be even less fun in my life?]:
Now I can't even eat mandarins and enjoy them? Oh c'mon.
48.1 → 5 (Patient Waiting), Legge:
Shows a well so muddy that men will not drink of it; or an old well to which neither birds (nor other creatures) resort.
Admonishing me for returning to old habits perhaps? Oh well, OK OK.

You mean stick with juices, avoid chewing, drop this habit?
8.6 → 20 (Observing), Legge:
We see one seeking union and attachment without having taken the first step (to such an end).
There will be evil.
Really strange answer. Chewing is holding me back? On some subconscious/animal/reflex level perhaps.
Remove the base, drop the habit and then the mind and body will progress further?

I'm halting the progress with chewing, right? 21 - 48
I'm biting[21] instead of just drinking juice[48], alright got it.

When the time to eat the mandarins came, with the first bite I understood what Yi was saying to me and how true its words were.

Mandarins were unripe, not completely but had a considerable punch of acid.
Ate a couple of them and just gave the rest to grandma - she liked them.

So now I see 26.6 - 11 as establishing connection[11] with too much force[.6], reconsider!
48.1 was very clear - bad mandarins.
8.6 - Stop talking about chewing/juicing, the mandarins are unripe to begin with!
62.1 stay away.
33.1 failed attempt to retreat, run away
56.6 You had a good routine with sweet Pakistani mandarins for supper, now you've ruined that for some wild goose chase.


Oh and a quite amazing reading to finish this post:
Continue with Pakistani mandarins? [they have many seeds and I have to scrape them off with a knife before juicing, it's time consuming]
21.3 → 30 (Shining), Richmond:
He bites dried meat and comes upon unpleasantness.
Some discomfort but no error.

So cool Yi, so true, had a good laugh

 

[Vissino]

Oh come on! Just eat them

 

[Trojina]

I'd like to laugh but this is actually of some concern. I hear Ashteroid's ideas about not eating are based on Dolores Cannon so I watched a video of her. I was looking for where she recommends not eating as a way to spiritual progression. The one thing I did note is that she doesn't look to me like she only drinks juices. The reason I looked was this picture from this thread http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/frie...ually-29-1-2-3-4-5-6-→-30&p=223859#post223859 which clearly suggests the thin person who doesn't eat at all on the far right is on his way to heaven and the sausage eater on the left is not. Worrying stuff given the problems of anorexia and the increasingly common 'orthorexia' http://www.orthorexia.com/

I found one of her videos where she says the world will separate out so there will be two worlds. A perfect one with no 'negativity' and the one we have now. She seemed to be saying the 'negative' people would be left behind and the other ones go to the new earth.

And all that is a whole other thing from your logic with these readings Ashteroid. 26.6 doesn't really lead you in the direction of not eating mandarins and why would anyone need to think so much about eating a mandarin ?

After some time pondering on the answer, perplexed by such reaction, I asked with a sense of desperation
[staying on juice diet is not that easy and now there will be even less fun in my life?]:
Now I can't even eat mandarins and enjoy them? Oh c'mon.
48.1 → 5 (Patient Waiting), Legge:
Shows a well so muddy that men will not drink of it; or an old well to which neither birds (nor other creatures) resort.
Admonishing me for returning to old habits perhaps? Oh well, OK OK.

You are the one who is deciding for some reason not to eat mandarins. I don't think you are being led in that direction.

You mean stick with juices, avoid chewing, drop this habit?
8.6 → 20 (Observing), Legge:
We see one seeking union and attachment without having taken the first step (to such an end).
There will be evil.
Really strange answer. Chewing is holding me back? On some subconscious/animal/reflex level perhaps.
Remove the base, drop the habit and then the mind and body will progress further?

Starving people don't generally find their mind and bodies progress further as far as I know.

All of this is your choice but I don't see that your readings can amount to not eating mandarins. You can harm your health long term by not eating food and ultimately, if taken too far, leave this dimension for good, in a coffin. Those close to you must surely be fairly worried about you.

 

[Sixth Relative]

I'm not going to comment neither on Ashteroid's believes nor in Tojina's disqualification.

But to be fair, the picture shared by Ashteroid doesn't portrait people "on his way to heaven" (that is such a Christian assumption) but people nurturing themselves from Qi. That people can nurture entirely from Qi (without eating material food) is an old believe in China and other cultures.

Once again, I wont comment on that believe. And I do know that Trojina commented from a sincere interest on Ashteroid's well being. I just want to give the right understanding for that picture.

 

[Trojina]

I'm not going to comment neither on Ashteroid's believes nor in Tojina's disqualification.

Oh really ? Looks like you already did but there was no 'disqualification' so there is nothing for you to comment on any especially given you haven't understood my post.

But to be fair, the picture shared by Ashteroid doesn't portrait people "on his way to heaven" (that is such a Christian assumption) but people nurturing themselves from Qi. That people can nurture entirely from Qi (without eating material food) is an old believe in China and other cultures.

Yes, please don't assume I don't know that. I have known that for 40 years and this Qi is also called 'prana' in other countries. I know perfectly well what the picture portrays, I know quite well the idea is the person eventually comes to live off prana or Qi rather than food. It is actually a figure of speech, a turn of phrase if you like, to say this is a way to heaven. It is for sure a path to enlightenment, nirvana, heaven. No not a path to enlightenment but something the enlightened or highly spiritually advanced person might be able to do. It isn't something that most people can reasonably do. Ashteroid expresses this is hard for him.

So you not split non existent hairs but make gross assumptions about me and what I may or may not know because you actually don't understand my sentences !

Once again, I wont comment on that believe. And I do know that Trojina commented from a sincere interest on Ashteroid's well being. I just want to give the right understanding for that picture.

What belief exactly do you actually imagine I hold ? You haver no idea whatsoever what I believe but make assumptions. And for someone who isn't going to comment you do a very good impression of making a comment !

Anyone can see what the picture portrays so I don't actually need your help in understanding it. Good God I first came across that idea in the 1970s ! I am quite familiar with the idea of Qi also since about that time. In India holy men may live off prana.......it is not a remotely new or unusual idea to me.

Because it is not a remotely new or unusual idea to me and because I have read and experienced much around the idea of 'ascension' that I feel this aiming not to eat is not good for Ashteroid and of course these readings aren't really saying 'only drink juice'.

I'm not going to go on about it to Ashteroid because he can choose his own path but I commented here because someone else was laughing at him. Anyway if he didn't want comment he wouldn't have posted it.

 

[Tohpol]

Rather than the text being incorrect, I'll offer another way to interpret what the Yi has given you.

Should I buy those Israeli mandarins?

26.6 → 11

You are at a crossroads. So you have free-will to make your choice.

So I asked the same question again

62.1 → 55

In over your head?

comment my purchase

33.1 → 13

Retreat from this vulnerability in order to create inner union.

Daily reading

32.6 → 50

The only thing constant is your restlessness...

So I asked is it better to juice them?

56.6 → 62

Your negligence is creating loss. Over-ambition tends to juice the little bird.

Now I can't even eat mandarins and enjoy them?

48.1 → 5

Missing the point. At the present, the source / psyche is blocked ... whether you eat mandarins may not be the issue here.... You need to wait a while so that it may have the chance to create the clear "spring water" within.

Admonishing me for returning to old habits perhaps? Oh well, OK OK.

I think it's more than that..

You mean stick with juices, avoid chewing, drop this habit?

8.6 → 20

You had a moment for inner unity (holding together) which could then be expressed as outer unity but you lost it by adopting this habit. if something isn't working from the start then attempts to re-unify won't work.

Really strange answer. Chewing is holding me back? On some subconscious/animal/reflex level perhaps. Remove the base, drop the habit and then the mind and body will progress further?

Not strange if you see beyond chewing fruit to the deeper implications of what the Yi is offering you.

I'm halting the progress with chewing, right?

21 - 48

Well, you got a hexagram which is BITING THROUGH with a complete set of moving lines. That is certainly about as clear as you can get to start exercising your jaws. That means eating something substantial that your body-mind can gain nourishment from which will facilitate the spiritual waters to flow within the Well of your being.

When the time to eat the mandarins came, with the first bite I understood what Yi was saying to me and how true its words were. Mandarins were unripe, not completely but had a considerable punch of acid. Ate a couple of them and just gave the rest to grandma - she liked them.

Or again, maybe you are missing the deeper implications of the readings and the fact that it may not be about the quality of the mandarins at all but the quality of your mind-body nourishment.

That's an alternative interpretation. Obviously, take it or leave it. :bows:

 

[Sixth Relative]

It is actually a figure of speech, a turn of phrase if you like, to say this is a way to heaven.

It is not. It is quite physical rather than metaphorical. It is the believe that you can actually live without food.

What belief exactly do you actually imagine I hold ?

I was refering to Ashteroid's believe on achieving the stage of not needing food at all.

 

[Tim K]

Ehm, it seems like Trojina misunderstood my question.

And D.Cannon does not promote prana living, nor did she practice it herself.
The spirits persuaded her to get off coca-cola and junk food, advising a vegan-smoothie diet, with a few times per year where she can have meat (mostly because it contains too much chemicals - consequences of pollution and bad food-industry). So please not again on this subject...
My inspiration came long before I've read her books.

The question was: Should I buy those mandarins? 26.6 - 11
They were un-ripe, and bitter and acid. There was no fun in eating them at all.
It's not about prana or not eating.
26.6 says yes, by all means buy them, but in reality it was stop stop - too much initiative.

Another example:
A particular shoe store, will it be open the day after tomorrow? [2nd of May, it was closed due to tech. reasons]
7.6 → 4 and the next day the answer was 53.6 → 39.
7.6 looks good, the expansion after a victory.
53.6 looks even better, an end of the long journey.

Went there today[4th of May] - still closed.
I can see 53.6 as saying - it'll take a long time to overcome the obstacles, you are not there yet.
But 7.6 should be changed - to something more negative. Again underlining the hastiness/exceeding of power.

There's definitely a pattern with 6th line, some hexagrams have a negative text there, but some portray a positive picture.

 

[Tim K]

Thank you topal for alternative take on my readings, and 26.6 in particular, a crossroads.
I don't know how did you get there though.
Blessed by heaven, end of 26 of 'not eating'/containing and going to prosperity of 11...

I'll have to ponder on your comments.

 

[Trojina]

It is not. It is quite physical rather than metaphorical. It is the believe that you can actually live without food.

You aren't understanding me. When I said

. It is actually a figure of speech, a turn of phrase if you like, to say this is a way to heaven.

I did not mean living off Qui was a turn of phrase I meant the term 'the way to heaven' was a figure of speech because you had quoted me saying that and made out it was a Christian assumption. I was saying no 'a way to heaven' is a turn of phrase. Good grief....you really don't understand what I write.

I do know quite well and have known for at least 40 years that some holy men/swamis/sages can live off prana/Qui and a tiny amount of food. I know it is physical.

 

[Tohpol]

But to be fair, the picture shared by Ashteroid doesn't portrait people "on his way to heaven" (that is such a Christian assumption) but people nurturing themselves from Qi. That people can nurture entirely from Qi (without eating material food) is an old believe in China and other cultures.

It is indeed. But such a process which led to the right use of energy was adopted by those under very specific circumstances and training which is as far removed from western, new age teachings as it is possible to be. The lack of ingestion of food and its eventual elimination should it be deemed necessary depended on very particular types of initiation and an extremely exceptional mode of training under the guidance of a trained master. If the initiation thresholds were reached then the use of energy to sustain the body and minimal ingestion of food was only a byproduct of the process never the primary focus, except in corrupted practices, of which there are now many.

So, as far as I can judge the only focus was and is the transformation of the various centres and psyche of wo/man which naturally determined the quality, type and level of food needed as a secondary consideration. FWIW.

Once again, I wont comment on that believe. And I do know that Trojina commented from a sincere interest on Ashteroid's well being. I just want to give the right understanding for that picture.

Well, as I see it, we are daily commenting on an individual's belief either directly or indirectly since those beliefs are intimately tied with the readings given by the Yi. No need for trampling on that belief for sure, but no need to walk on glass either.

 

[Trojina]

Ehm, it seems like Trojina misunderstood my question.

Thank God for that.

And D.Cannon does not promote prana living, nor did she practice it herself. The spirits persuaded her to get off coca-cola and junk food, advising a vegan-smoothie diet, with a few times per year where she can have meat (mostly because it contains too much chemicals - consequences of pollution and bad food-industry). So please not again on this subject...
My inspiration came long before I've read her books.

Well you posted that picture which does strongly suggest a person who doesn't eat can connect much better to the life energy whatever one calls it, prana, Qui...You also said you live off juices and it was hard.

The question was: Should I buy those mandarins? 26.6 - 11
They were un-ripe, and bitter and acid. There was no fun in eating them at all.
It's not about prana or not eating.
26.6 says yes, by all means buy them, but in reality it was stop stop - too much initiative.

too much initiative in buying mandarins ? 26.6 does not say 'too much initiative'.

It's not about prana or not eating.

Well if you say so but it does seem a lot of questions just about whether to eat mandarins. Also if it wasn't about prana or not eating why did you talk here about how hard it was to stay on a juice diet and why did you talk about being admonished for 'old habits' and wonder if chewing was holding you back ?

After some time pondering on the answer, perplexed by such reaction, I asked with a sense of desperation
[staying on juice diet is not that easy and now there will be even less fun in my life?]:
Now I can't even eat mandarins and enjoy them? Oh c'mon.
48.1 → 5 (Patient Waiting), Legge:
Shows a well so muddy that men will not drink of it; or an old well to which neither birds (nor other creatures) resort.
Admonishing me for returning to old habits perhaps? Oh well, OK OK.

You mean stick with juices, avoid chewing, drop this habit?
8.6 → 20 (Observing), Legge:
We see one seeking union and attachment without having taken the first step (to such an end).
There will be evil.
Really strange answer. Chewing is holding me back? On some subconscious/animal/reflex level perhaps.
Remove the base, drop the habit and then the mind and body will progress further?

See the underlined....you are quite clearly saying you are trying to stick to juice, you are afraid to fall back to 'old habits' eating ? and that chewing is holding you back. So I don't think I did misunderstand actually. This was not just about mandarins. Why would you feel 'a sense of desperation' ? What were you desperate about ? It reads as you were desperate that you had enough trouble on a juice diet and didn't want to give up your mandarins.


Anyway I'll leave you to it...enjoy whatever you decide to eat or drink.

 

[Sixth Relative]

Thank you topal for alternative take on my readings, and 26.6 in particular, a crossroads.
I don't know how did you get there though.

Well, Ewald Berkers translates 26.6 as What is natural? This is a crossroads. Progressing.

 

[Sixth Relative]

The question was: Should I buy those mandarins? 26.6 - 11
They were un-ripe, and bitter and acid. There was no fun in eating them at all.

Now, back to the main issue: when the text is wrong

From a text-based perspective, the onlyway to make sense of this answer is with the Judgment, in this part: Not eating at home brings good fortune. Since you wanted to buy the mandarins to eat them at home, it was againts the flow. That is the only way to make sense of it, even with Ewald's translation of crossroads; because he said that chosing what you like, you progress... and you liked those Israel mandarins. But I can see how forced this would be.

From a WWG perspective, you have a total combination hex in hex 11; in a yes/no question, it means yes. But since this sign is present only in the changed hexagram, it is not definitive, you need to look closer the whole answer. The active line is Yin (wood) and it is the same tha the line representing you. After the change, it becomes You (metal). Metal destroys Wood. Then, buying the mandarines seems natural to you, but it will prove to be against your best interest.

 

[Sixth Relative]

A particular shoe store, will it be open the day after tomorrow? [2nd of May, it was closed due to tech. reasons]
7.6 → 4

From the symbols of the hexagrams: water is hidden below earth (7) and below mountain (4). According with the wings, in a text-based interpretation, 4 implies cover something to allow it to grow.
But once again, it is not that clear that the answer was "it won't be open".

From a WWG perspective:
the spirit of focus is the relative Father (something is fated to happen). In 7zhi4, the father relative is line 6, it is You (metal). On May 2nd 2016 both Shen and You are in a stage of Void, meaning they are useless, uneffective, until the Void time is fulfilled. So, it will open, that is certain, but not 'the day after tomorrow', because in May 4th You is still void.

 

[Tim K]

@Trojina
The main question was about 26.6, others were just an example of how Yi can answer completely different question from what you are asking. By assuming something (that mandarins were good) one's mind can misunderstand the whole dialogue with Yi.

Desperation comes from the fact that 95% of the fruits are crap. And there is nothing I can do about it, only move to a tropical country (but Yi says no no no not now ...). Kiwi's are bitter (burnt my taste buds last monday, they were hurting whole day!, and I have tasted real ones from Greece - divine), oranges are bitter/acid most of the time, apples are picked green (haven't seen golden 'Golden' apples for a long time, only light-yellow/green ones). Bananas are a laugh copmared to real ones from Egypt. Same goes for mangoes. The need to hunt for good fruits is draining me down, not the limitation to only drink juice, no - that's the best part.

And the 2nd one is sharing a flat with people who don't share your views, having to smell cooked food (fish, fried onions and carrots, meat, pancakes... etc. ugh), having to see this food in the fridge every time you open it. Getting tired of '36' mode, living among 12 million people.

If I had an unlimited supply of good sweet fruits all year round I would be a very very very happy person.
I don't know why but my soul chose to be born here in the northern country, for some reason.
I think this autumn I'll move to Thailand, no matter what anyone says, at least to try it.

p.s. Got a message from friend who is visiting China, says mangoes are in season and he'll bring me some yaay

And no one said anything about 14.6 (to shut down an apparently 'hung' computer program).

Oh - 'someone laughed at him' - I didn't take any offense in that (you mean Vissino right?), I saw it as just a friendly joke - the best way to deal with the trouble(chew/not chew) is to laugh at it