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sunflower

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It does sound somewhat ominous. In terms of romance would it indicate that there is some kind of romantic entaglement that lasts for 3 years and is not all that could be hoped for? When pertaining to someone's feelings for someone else does it mean that the person in question is emotionally entangled with that person and can't get out of it? It does then go to #59 at which point I guess the entanglement is over.
 

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It suggests making a mistake and getting into trouble, like ending up in jail for some reason or other, it is a place you can't get out from and you have no freedom of choice or movement either.
 

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I'd say it's just as bad as WF says, and maybe worse. The image is of the water going over somebody's head. That's drowning, right? It's nobody's fault, but it happens. There's a kind of vulgar expression in modern English that describes this sort of thing which is unfortunate but nobody's fault really: s_h_i_t happens. That's 29.6, I think. Bad outcome, something important comes to an end, nobody's fault.
 

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Thanks for your insight. I am still confused as to what this actually means though. I have a relative whose husband is suspected of seeing someone else. I did the IC (not telling her of course because I am not really qualified to interpret anything for anyone just yet) to see what insight could be gathered. Okay I admit I was curious.

So I asked: What kind of feelings does X (the husband) have for Y (the suspected other woman). I came up with # 29 line 6 turning to #59. My immediate reaction was that yes the husband does have feelings for this woman especially after reading the commentary in the Wilhelm/Baynes edition and taking into account the insights of Willowfox and Dobro. In other words it just happened and he is in over his head (or head over heals for this woman?)and it is no one's fault and sometimes things just happen. In part 1 of the book the commentary say's : "A man who in the extremity of danger has lost the right way and is irremediably entangled in his sins has no prospect of escape. He is like a criminal who sits shackled behind thornhedged prison walls" So this does sound very much like something is indeed going on and it leads to no good as far as the marriage is concerned. Then in the second part of the book part of the commentary say's " so that here it is a question of an extremely serious entanglement".

Also Bound with cords and ropes,
Shut in between thorn-hedged prison walls:
For three years one does not find the way.
Misfortune

This sounds to me like either the husband feels that he is tied to his wife and can't get away from her for three years ( should the number of years even be taken literally or is this a metaphor for something else?) and feels totally conflicted about the whole thing. Or could it mean that he is conflicted about the other woman being in his life and feels bad about what he is doing but somehow can't let her go? But after a number of years he finally sees the light and it leads to dissolution #59 with the other woman, or could it mean this leads to dissolution of his marriage due to the other woman? Or is the influence of #59 there all along instead of in the future?

Any further insights are appreciated :)
 

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Okay, here's another insight (and I'm really glad I dipped into this thread again and spotted my mistake). I read 29.6 as if it were 28.6 (duh). Both of them image crummy situations, but your take about being hedged in is the accurate one.

29.6 is about being trapped, immobilized and out of circulation for some time - a bad result. If this images the feelings of the guy for the woman, then he's in a bad situation.

Sorry about leading you astray. My bad. Mea culpa. Je m'excuse.
 

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Yes, a prison of his own making, his own desires, his obsession with the woman, just like in the Devil card where he could free himself if he wanted but is too addicted to the pleasure to give it up, it will all end in tears.
 

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