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justanotherme

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Strange answer I got for this question:

45 to 23 (changing lines 4,5&6)

any ideas??

Puzzled me..
 

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Gathering together and then split apart?
The lines seem to follow a progression..
Does it sound like something that will end in tears? (45.6)
Or..
within the context of 23, leaving behind the unnecessary, there is 45, maybe this person is a catalyst in an inner process??

Would love to hear interpretations..
 
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23 can also be seeing behide appearences. Maybe it's a question of what is being gathered: appearences or genuine substance?
 

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hmmmmm... a question of what is being gathered or do you actually see only appearances in the answer? or is it not evident in the answer whether its superficial or not? or is it telling me to ask that question of myself?

so many possibilities.. thanks for your input, Bruce

Thing is.. I know this person is having an impact in my life. Regardless of the depth of the connection.. but is it a good or a bad impact, is what I wonder about the most..
 

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Hi Justanotherme,

I was reading through previous posts and I came across one of yours straight after reading this and took it as a sign to answer (about the way that you act to situations). I hope you don't think I'm too personal.

When reading both hexagrams 45 and 23 I felt that the overiding sense was for you to do what is right - to make sure of yourself in order to be sincere. I use Wilhelm's translation and lines jumped out at me that I thought I might share:

"In order to be able to bring others together, this leader must first of all be collected within himself." (From 45)

"Since he is not striving for any special advantages for himself but is working unselfishly to bring about general unity, his work is crowned with sucess, and everything becomes as it should be." (45.5)

The moving line in the 6th said to me that even if you do act in the right and sincere way you may be misunderstood but you are not to blame.

I think that the moving line in the 5th and also the hexagram 23 is showing you how to deal with this if this is the case:

"The only means of dealing with such people is to gain their confidence through steadfastness and intensified unswerving devotion to duty. In this way secret mistrust will gradually be overcome, and there will be no occasion for regret." (45.5)

To be still, docile and devoted, generous and benevolent. (23)

I hope I'm not way off mark (rather new to all of this and still working it out myself)

Good luck

Nicky
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Thanks Nicky, you are not too personal, not at all. When I ask question of the forum I really am open to any comments, suggestions, etc. I am not very picky when it comes to that.

I do recognize some of what you say. I think I shoud just be sincere and steadfast and whatever this will bring or wherever this will lead to will then be not as important as having been true to myself. Well, that is how I will choose to interpret this for the time being. Thanks very much for pointing out what you read in these lines. And good luck to you too.
 

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The entire upper trigram changes. Lake turns into mountain, the emphasis is totally shifting, from exchange with people to finding your individuality, your solid core.

The "time" is 23, a time of finding the essence, getting rid of everything which is not genuinely part of you ? or of the relation.

Hex.45 shows the way to make this happen. And since your question was, what this person was doing in your life, i think he/she is being 45, resonating with your nature, giving you a broader view on who you are, and what your life is like. When you can see in the other what is in you, you can recognize it and make it stronger or better. Looking into yourself is never easy, but seeing it outside of you, and yet connected with you, clarifies many things.

This hex has more to do with being buddies than with love, but it can be a good base. Even if it is only temporary, it can give you much more self-confidence. A sense of being confirmed. Especially in your way of dealing with things from outside or of the mind, since it it the upper trigram which changes.

LiSe
 

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That is a beautiful interpretation LiSe, thank you. I think that must be the answer. It's not very important if this is about love or not. It feels like it's about that: seeing myself, "outside of me and yet connected to me". And it can be very self affirming.
 

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