What should I do to help myself heal this condition. Hex 27.1.6>2

[CarlosXen]

It sounds to me very depressing but I cannot interpret it properly. It says about hard ice and negative things like I am losing the tortoise shells etc but also says that I'm creating this situation?

 

[rosada]

Are you asking about a physical condition? 27. Nourishment changing to 2. Neutrality makes me think some sort of cleansing is called for and to particularly avoid junk food.

 

[CarlosXen]

yes apologies I was writing from my phone and it removed part of the message, I suffer for a illness affecting my nervous system and organs like heart, also causing insomnia and all. I live a fairly healthy life, no junk food at all, no alcohol and this is negatively affecting my mood and stress levels

 

[CarlosXen]

I eat lot of dairy, cheese though but not sure how this can be related

 

[Trojina]

It sounds to me very depressing but I cannot interpret it properly. It says about hard ice and negative things like I am losing the tortoise shells etc but also says that I'm creating this situation?

This isn't a depressing reading since it is saying that you yourself have more power than you know in helping yourself to heal.

27.1 shows someone who is always thinking someone else has the answer and so let's go their own magic tortoise, their own powers. 27.6 says a very similar thing from a different perspective. Here one finds oneself the actual inventor/originator/pioneer in the affairs of the question asked. It can be both a scary and exhilarating position to be in. You aren't following you are making it up as you go along.

It is interesting that both lines show you yourself as the source of the means to heal and there is 2 as the relating hexagram. I feel this means that you have the whole support of the earth, your body, as you go forward by relying on your own intuitive knowledge which you must learn to trust and rely on as much as you rely and trust on the earth to support you when you stand.

We don't question that the earth will support us and neither need you question that deep inside you have the knowledge of what it will take to make you feel more whole again. Trust yourself more and look more and more to what you really feel is the way forward.


If you are receiving any treatments this doesn't mean you should stop and indeed your instinct about what to do might lead you to go and consult a Dr or practitioner. 27.1 is really a good line to have because it's saying 'hey you are looking at me to help but you have everything you need, you're already blessed, know that, know what gifts you have and the means you have to go and sort this out'.

Do what comes naturally for you to do whilst trusting your own instincts. If it makes sense for you to take the medical route do that, if not do what makes sense. This is all within your power you just have to realize your own power to go ahead and make things happen for your healing whatever that may be.

 

[CarlosXen]

This isn't a depressing reading since it is saying that you yourself have more power than you know in helping yourself to heal.27.1 shows someone who is always thinking someone else has the answer and so let's go their own magic tortoise, their own powers. 27.6 says a very similar thing from a different perspective. Here one finds oneself the actual inventor/originator/pioneer in the affairs of the question asked. It can be both a scary and exhilarating position to be in. You aren't following you are making it up as you go along.It is interesting that both lines show you yourself as the source of the means to heal and there is 2 as the relating hexagram. I feel this means that you have the whole support of the earth, your body, as you go forward by relying on your own intuitive knowledge which you must learn to trust and rely on as much as you rely and trust on the earth to support you when you stand.We don't question that the earth will support us and neither need you question that deep inside you have the knowledge of what it will take to make you feel more whole again. Trust yourself more and look more and more to what you really feel is the way forward.If you are receiving any treatments this doesn't mean you should stop and indeed your instinct about what to do might lead you to go and consult a Dr or practitioner. 27.1 is really a good line to have because it's saying 'hey you are looking at me to help but you have everything you need, you're already blessed, know that, know what gifts you have and the means you have to go and sort this out'.Do what comes naturally for you to do whilst trusting your own instincts. If it makes sense for you to take the medical route do that, if not do what makes sense. This is all within your power you just have to realize your own power to go ahead and make things happen for your healing whatever that may be.

Thank you this is reassuring my condition is ongoing for so long it's easy to lose hope also I've heard somewhere that hex 2 can often depict stuff like death, but I guess that's incorrect thanks again

 

[Trojina]

27.6 makes me wonder if you will end up helping and advising others who have the same condition as you. Perhaps even now you have something to offer others about your knowledge of this condition, perhaps you can advise those who don't understand it, who have only just got the condition. Somehow it looks like you provide solutions of some kind not only for yourself but eventually for others too.

 

[rosada]

Thinking about how 27. Nourishment follows 25. Innocence and 26. Major Restraint. The sequence seems to describe

25. A naive fool that goes through life blissfully unaware of good and evil. He recovers quickly from his many misadventures which is a good thing, but he doesn't learn anything from them which is not. (The unexamined life is not worth living 25.6)

26. Major Restraint means he has to slow down, maybe go to school to examine his life and learn from the wisdom and experiences of others. If he does this, he ultimately is greatly rewarded with a broad understanding - maybe he master's the I Ching! (26.6, Heaven's Road Map!).

27. But what happens when you leave school? No longer surrounded by helpful friends, maybe even without a copy of "The Magic Tortoise..a beginner's guide to The I Ching" and so one feels lost and disconnected.

I wonder if getting this line in your situation means your body is not processing the food you eat, or that it is somehow not getting the life force out of the food? 27.6 is such a positive line of blessing - which I would interpret as you eventually being healed - but i can see it when coupled with 27.1 as depicting a disconnect between the nutrition that is needed and the body's ability to take it in. Also, the resulting hexagram 2 describes an empty space, or empty tunnel, so again the idea of light or energy or sustenance not coming through.

I wonder if acupuncture would be helpful or tuning fork therapy for awakening the inner receptivity?

Also, even though you eat healthy, it takes 60% of a body's energy to digest food each day. People often find a diet of liquids only frees up energy to be put towards healing.

You mentioned this whole experience has been very trying both physically and emotionally.
27.1 Particularly cautions that it is very important to be vigilant about what you allow into your body and into your brain right now. Nourish only positive thoughts!

 

[CarlosXen]

There is nobody offering fork therapy in my area I'm afraid. I tried acupuncture in the past and herbal therapy and it was helping to an extent but it was limiting my ability to be assertive at work. Issues I have are connected to cardiovascular system and nervous system and my digestion is okay but I find to have my stomach very tense like I'm clenching the muscles all the time

 

[CarlosXen]

You know I must admit that in a way my digestion is not okay from time to time I suffer from constipations that are relieved when I am not stressed so I believe that during stress I clench my muscles and this affects stomach so my digestion works fine but I unconsciously affect it. I thought about getting endoscopy done to check if there is no tumors as my grandfather died from stomach cancer I ching asked if I have stomach cancer said hex 52.2>18 so I think it means a solid "no" and I asked if I should do endoscopy and got hex 21.1.6>16 so this also tells me that I am deaf to counsel and there's no need.

 

[CarlosXen]

You know maybe hex 2 depicts my intestines? After all it looks like a pipe. Maybe intestines somehow affect my nervous system and heart too

 

[rosada]

Yes, I think your clenched up stomach area is described by hexagram 2. I'm thinking 27.1.6 is saying "What you should do is don't worry. Do not nourish negative ideas. Keep your insides relaxed so you can sense and follow the guidance from your higher mind!"

I wonder if a brief cleansing fast would be of benefit? Like no dairy for 5 days? Or do some sort of symbolic cleansing in your outer world? Intentionally release?

You can order healing vibration tuning forks from Amazon along with charts describing how to use them. Also search youtube for "healing frequency" tapes.

Only I don't think you should take my advice! LOL!
I think 27.1 is one of those lines that mean "Nobody can give you any useful advice from past experiences. You'll have to bravely go where no one has ever gone before." There are several of these types of situations in the I Ching. Particularly hexagram 4 describes a person who cannot learn any more from studying theory or from group discussion - they must go into the world and experience life first hand. I think 27.1 echos this idea but maybe this time one is not such a total fool, group discussion has atleast enhanced awareness of one's ability to navigate by staying focused on ultimate goals - vibrant health! - so as not to get distracted playing defense.

 

[CarlosXen]

I have stopped eating cheese already now with fasting I think my digestion just stops. What do you think about my questions about endoscopy and cancer, on a previous page?

 

[CarlosXen]

To top it up I also suffer from cardiovascular issues that for years were happening during nights causing panic attacks and now they are causing my heart to not beat to its natural rhythm and even when I take betablockers then I still have tremendous waves of anxiety so doctors want to give me drugs for that too but I don't want it because its addictive and it all comes from the past my mother was very controlling and bad and my father was alcoholic they both hurt me badly she is denying everything and he is dead he committed suicide

 

[CarlosXen]

Could someone comment on my previous post about cancer and endoscopy?

 

[Trojina]

You know I must admit that in a way my digestion is not okay from time to time I suffer from constipations that are relieved when I am not stressed so I believe that during stress I clench my muscles and this affects stomach so my digestion works fine but I unconsciously affect it. I thought about getting endoscopy done to check if there is no tumors as my grandfather died from stomach cancer I ching asked if I have stomach cancer said hex 52.2>18 so I think it means a solid "no" and I asked if I should do endoscopy and got hex 21.1.6>16 so this also tells me that I am deaf to counsel and there's no need.

It's bad practice in general for people to hand out medical and dietary advice from I Ching casts. If you have no reason to think you have stomach cancer and no Dr has suggested you have an endoscopy why would you do it ? The digestive system is very much affected by stress which can cause all kinds of problems. If you have already spoken to a Dr about your symptoms and he has not suggested an endoscopy then don't have one.

52.2 suggests you are already believing things you needn't believe and so it's very hard for you to stop yourself fretting. I won't comment on the cast about having an endoscopy because I believe Yi's job is to advise us ourselves not to try to be a medical Dr.

 

[rosada]

You may get some responses to your second question if you start a new thread and repost it.

Meanwhile I believe the IChing can give useful medical advice if one knows how to interpret the hexagrams but that is a special study and definitely not my area of expertise.

 

[Liselle]

It sounds to me very depressing but I cannot interpret it properly. It says about hard ice and negative things like I am losing the tortoise shells etc but also says that I'm creating this situation?

Over on this other thread:
https://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/fri...ach-cancer-hex-52-2-gt-18&p=269895#post269895

- I asked Carlos if he could straighten out what seems to be some confusion here - everyone's talking about 27.1, but the "hard ice" Carlos mentioned isn't 27.1, it's hexagram 2, line 1 - there's an error somewhere - either an error, or Carlos has the reading correct but is talking about 2.1 as the fan yao - except the problem with that is that it isn't. 27.1's fan yao is 23.1...

 

[CarlosXen]

Hi, I was talking about hex 2,line 1 hard ice arrives

 

[Liselle]

Hi Carlos, yes, I know you were talking about hexagram 2, line 1, the "hard ice." The problem is that hexagram 2, line 1, isn't really part of a 27.1.6 > 2 reading. It's not one of the moving lines, it's not the fan yao of either moving line...

So my confusion is - what did you cast? Was your reading 27.1.6 > 2, or was it 2.1.6 > 27 - or can you explain why you're talking about the hard ice?

We have to make sure we're interpreting the reading you cast, and not something different by mistake.

 

[CarlosXen]

You're right now I'm lost too ha ha let me double check BTW what is fan yao?

 

[Freedda]

Carlos, I've touched on the fan yao below, but what I believe Liselle was saying is that line 2.1 is not related to your reading and is perhaps wondering about it.

As for the fan yao, for your reading, 27.1.6 >2, if you take each moving line on its own, so you have 27.1 and 27.6, what each of these 'changes' into would be 27.1 > 23 and 27.6 > 24 and each of these has a corresponding line called a 'Fan Yao'. So the fan yao for 27.1 is 23.1 and for 27.6 the fan yao is 24.6. This is getting a bit advanced, and I'd approach it with caution - it doesn't need to be central to your reading. I don't usually even look at them and if I do it's mostly to see if they may hold clues to the Changing Line's meaning.

But, again, the main point she was asking, where did the line 2.1 or the words 'hard ice' come from?

D.

 

[CarlosXen]

27.1.6>2 was the result from original question here (what to do to heal this condition), where 2 is the relating (second) hex

 

[Liselle]

Oh good, that means everyone's been interpreting the correct reading.