...life can be translucent

Menu

What Western Medicine can learn with Chinese Medicine

leandroscardoso

visitor
Joined
Mar 13, 2012
Messages
32
Reaction score
0
This may seem a little off topic but remember that chinese philosophiy is holistic, the whole was more then the sum of its parts, it's all connected. You can see this in the qigong of martial arts where war is fused with chinese medicine, daoism that use the concepts of yin and yang and the Yi jing(I ching) to explain their philosophy, and the not used but obvious connection of weiqi and Sun Tzu's art of war that you can see in my videos can be used to help martial arts, among others. Feel free to delete if you find convenient.
In this video I explain what most immediately can western medicine learn with chinese medicine, and perhaps some errors westerns are making. I propose that both are semingly different but their about to merge, and guide in what in my opinion will be the process.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qS7Stb7rB3Y

e-mail leandrodesouzacardoso@gmail.com
facebook Leandro de Souza Cardoso
twitter @leandroscardoso
youtube http://www.youtube.com/user/Leandrosouzacardoso?feature=mhee
 

master

visitor
Joined
Dec 26, 2012
Messages
9
Reaction score
0
yeah,you are right,"holistic" is one important concept for Chinese I Ching.Actually karl marx's philosophy and dialectic knowledge are indispensable to learn I Ching well.
 

pocossin

visitor
Joined
Feb 7, 1970
Messages
4,521
Reaction score
181
Questionable Claims for Chinese Health Secrets

I have an interest in heart disease and was intrigued by statements in an ad for a health newsletter:

Do you know that Chinese men and women often escape
dreaded diseases that kill over 1.2 million Americans a year?

What do they know that you don't know?

4,000 years of traditional medicine and modern science now
prove that many diseases Western medicine fails to treat could
be cured by Chinese healing secrets.

For example...

Heart disease is the #1 killer in America, claiming 700,000-plus
lives a year.

Yet, over a three-year period in China, not a single person under
the age 64 died of heart disease -- out of 470,000 men and
women living in two counties

Seemed unlikely, so I checked.

Cardiac disease in China is on the rise. Though incidences of heart disease have increased faster in the city than in the country side, rural morbidity and mortality rates are now on the rise as well. Health statistics shows that the ischemic heart disease mortality rate in rural China has approximately doubled since 1988.

Unlike in developed countries, there is no preventive or primary health care system in place to stop the rise of cardiac disease. The real extent of heart disease in rural China is unknown because statistics are fraught with error and bias due to difficulties in ascertaining cause of death in places where 90% die without seeing a doctor. Therefore there is a need to ascertain the real incidence and prevalence of heart disease and to develop adequate preventive and primary care in the Chinese countryside.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cardiovascular_disease_in_China
 

master

visitor
Joined
Dec 26, 2012
Messages
9
Reaction score
0
Chinese medicine and Chinese divination have same root of I Ching.
"many diseases Western medicine fails to treat could
be cured by Chinese healing secrets. "
It is right,but western people aren't willing to accept it
I Ching observe natural law.So does Chinese medicine.If someone got a tumour,western doctor cut to cure the patient,but Chinese medicine not only removes it,but also find the reason why this tumor grows.Chinese medicine cure the root of one disease.

We can also predict what kind of disease someone got by I Ching.It is fact,but western people aren't willing to believe it either.

fengshui.co.uk This site is founded by a England guy,but he was dead.He also studied Feng Shui to Change future from a Chinese master.Unfortunately in the whole western society,it is hard to find such guy.
 

Trojina

Supporter
Clarity Supporter
Joined
May 29, 2006
Messages
26,921
Reaction score
4,426
Chinese medicine and Chinese divination have same root of I Ching.
"many diseases Western medicine fails to treat could
be cured by Chinese healing secrets. "
It is right,but western people aren't willing to accept it
I Ching observe natural law.So does Chinese medicine.If someone got a tumour,western doctor cut to cure the patient,but Chinese medicine not only removes it,but also find the reason why this tumor grows.Chinese medicine cure the root of one disease.

We can also predict what kind of disease someone got by I Ching.It is fact,but western people aren't willing to believe it either.

fengshui.co.uk This site is founded by a England guy,but he was dead.He also studied Feng Shui to Change future from a Chinese master.Unfortunately in the whole western society,it is hard to find such guy.


An old post but so out of date with 'western people'. 'Western people' aren't some homogenous group who all think one way. Every town and city in the UK has an acupuncturist working in virtually every high street. Acupuncture is also used to a degree in UK hospitals. I know because I've had it. Acupuncture is also used routinely in drug rehabilitation here.

My 84 year old mother in small town UK has regular acupuncture from a Chinese dr every few weeks. It keeps her going. He doesn't stop her using 'western medicince' if she needs it either.

So you are so you are totally out of date with 'western people' whoever you imagine them to be.

Apart from that people die of tumours in China too...it's not like 'eastern medicine' cures everything anyway.
 

Trojina

Supporter
Clarity Supporter
Joined
May 29, 2006
Messages
26,921
Reaction score
4,426
A research of that Chinese Medicine and Western Medicine cannot be truly integrated until Chinese Medicine has been proven to be effective clinically. If well designed clinical trials cannot demonstrate efficacy, there is little value in expending efforts in trying to integrate the two disciplines.

Chinese medicine

I met an UK acupuncturist who worked in Chinese hospitals as part of his training. He told us Chinese medicine and western medicine is well integrated there. Both are used together.
 

moss elk

visitor
Joined
Jul 22, 2013
Messages
3,280
Reaction score
1,049
The big differences I see between eastern and western medicine (having used much of both) are:

1-Western medicine is often Reactive and focuses on the Specialist. It is extremely financially profit oriented (at least in the U.S.), short sighted, and mechanistic.
And! it is the best thing in the world for someone who gets run over by a bus or needs the cholesterol scraped out of their heart from a lifetime of unhealthy eating. And it is a relatively young science comparatively.

2-Eastern Medicine is proactive and focuses on the preventative and is more egalitarian (Lower cost and easy to access; self care) It looks at diet, exercise, behaviour, and emotions and has soultions / answers in all of these areas. Having been around for thousands of years, It is the older sibling of these two sciences. (I refer to both Chinese Medicine and to Ayurveda)

So, there are definite benefits to both,
But if the desired goal is to have greater health for the people of the world, Eastern Medicine must be respected as more generally useful.

P.S. Don't forget about corruption. There are always people willing to lie for money (or be duped into doing so), to accept money from big industry to do so. (Think back to doctors advertising ciggarettes, and the 'moles' big industry (pharma and cattle) places to high positions in organizations like the U.S. FDA.

And for the western trained automatic skeptics:
Does Eastern medicine work? Drink some ginger tea if you are feeling cold and lethargic or have and upset tummy, and you will know.

And here is an interesting story of a U.S. Company trying to patent/profit/corner the market on the spice/medicine Turmeric which has been used for thousands of years in India:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/544861.stm
 

Trojina

Supporter
Clarity Supporter
Joined
May 29, 2006
Messages
26,921
Reaction score
4,426
But if the desired goal is to have greater health for the people of the world, Eastern Medicine must be respected as more generally useful.


LOl well people like to say this....and yet soon go running for western medicine when an emergency or life threatening thing happens or for the contraceptive pill, another invention of western medicine. A little bit of acupuncture isn't going to help when you just a had a heart attack or stroke...or a broken leg. A little bit of acupuncture isn't going to stop unwanted pregnancy. And anyway it doesn't always even work.

I don't think Eastern medicine should be more respected I think just maybe equally respected. Actually I think it is equally respected by many drs. However eastern medicine is much over idealised I think. I really don't think it's more useful. I'm thinking of all the good western procedures and drugs can do....not just all the harm. there is a lot good. Vaccinations against all kinds of life threatening things and so on. Why do people go all romantic about so called 'eastern therapies' and make western medicines which saves countless lives a day the 'baddie'. I could rant on and on. There are times things go wrong...there are also countless times where things go right, where skilled surgeons save more lives than a bit of ayurveda ever could. Ayurveda and acupuncture etc maybe good for maintaining health...but when intervention is needed to save life then western medicine comes in pretty handy.


Still people seem to prefer to idealise anything 'eastern' whereas actually there's nothing more spiritual about 'eastern' these days than there is 'western' . Why do people still use these terms I wonder ? A huge proportion of Drs practising 'western medicine' here are from 'the east' anyway so what is it with this old fashioned idea that there is western people and eastern people and they think differently and so on.

2-Eastern Medicine is proactive and focuses on the preventative and is more egalitarian (Lower cost and easy to access; self care) It looks at diet, exercise, behaviour, and emotions and has soultions / answers in all of these areas. Having been around for thousands of years, It is the older sibling of these two sciences. (I refer to both Chinese Medicine and to Ayurveda)


:confused: you are talking about America I think. We don't all live there. In UK 'western medicine' is free. I have a broken ankle, I walk in a hospital I have an x ray immediately, they see how the bones are broken and I'm given given help. How can that be bad ? Why would 'eastern medicine' be better in that instance.

For eastern medicine I'd have to pay, unless it's provided in our health care system as some acupuncture is.

Also our hospitals do look at excersize, emotions and behaviour. This is not just the territory of 'eastern medicine'.
 
Last edited:

moss elk

visitor
Joined
Jul 22, 2013
Messages
3,280
Reaction score
1,049
Oh my Dear friend soft shelled crabcake. :]
I'm glad you can laugh.
I think you and I share something:
A sensativity to perceived criticism.
(I know for sure I have it)

Yes, I live in the U.S. , and stated that in my examples of experience: saying (At least in the U.S.)

You are completely right about an equal or open minded respect, respect where it is warranted., in the situations where it applies, using the right tool for the specific job.

Poccasin brought up the scam artists touting an 'eastern medicine' product, and the u.s had, and still has, it's snake oil salesmen. But, In my opinion, a profound difference to recognize
Is when a small group of scam artists do something and when a large group of scam artists do something, is in the enormity of its impact on people.

That's all I was getting at. Yes, I tend to be skeptical about certain kinds of big industry products, because of the history of those industries actions (which speak of the character of their leaders)

And I still assert that Western Medicine is best in severe crisis (broken ankle), and Eastern Medicine is best at preventing severe crisis (tai chi to develop balance)

Right job, Right tool.

(And Trojan: if you want to call me Moldy Elk in the rest of this post, I'd laugh with you)
 

Trojina

Supporter
Clarity Supporter
Joined
May 29, 2006
Messages
26,921
Reaction score
4,426
Hi Mouldy ;)

I didn't think you were criticizing me I just had a rant brewing some time about that whole east/west thing. You know the idea that west = materialism/rationalism/science and that east = spirituality etc etc. Those stereotypes don't seem to have any truth anymore. It's not the 1950s, societies are multi cultural. Wasn't reacting to you in particular on that....it was more cumulative. From time to time people show up to lecture us 'westerners' for example and it makes me wonder what century they are in.

And I still assert that Western Medicine is best in severe crisis (broken ankle), and Eastern Medicine is best at preventing severe crisis (tai chi to develop balance)

Right job, Right tool

Yes I agree, right job right tool. Having both tools working together is what I begin to see happening here and I hope that develops as I think it's the way forward.


Oh my Dear friend soft shelled crabcake. :]
I'm glad you can laugh.


:rofl: thanks for the laugh. Thanks for clarifying your post, I see now more of what you meant.


yours truly, crabcake :flirt:
 

moss elk

visitor
Joined
Jul 22, 2013
Messages
3,280
Reaction score
1,049
I can't tell you how happy I am that you understood my post, and intent.
I actually thought about it all day, hoping I didn't offend you.

Cheers.
 

Clarity,
Office 17622,
PO Box 6945,
London.
W1A 6US
United Kingdom

Phone/ Voicemail:
+44 (0)20 3287 3053 (UK)
+1 (561) 459-4758 (US).

Top