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I asked the I Ching what will finally be Trump's downfall? What is his Achilles heel?

I received 23.6 - 2.
There is a large fruit still uneaten.
The superior man receives a carriage.
The house of the inferior man is split apart.

I see this as saying that he's got a great home at Mar-a-logo if he could just move on but he can't accept that his time living in the white house is over so his life becomes a (2.) barren field.

I think it's also interesting that the latest scandal is his handling of government papers - how he put them in a
carriage and split with them.
 
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You know Rosada, I sort of miss Trump!

This Biden is much more dangerous.
You know that he was in Kiev when the government fell in 2014. He has been planning a new war on our European soil against Russia.

clever thing to let them have all their basis on our countries. Now we are strangled between two great powers.
What will be of us?

We stopped buying gas from Russia and started to buy it from the US at a higher price.

Stupid Europe!!
Russia was one of our main trading partner, and we are falling into this big game between big powers like fools.
 

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Could a "large fruit that goes uneaten" refer to the practice of not eating the best fruits but saving them for their seed? Then the "carriage" would be the seed that carries the DNA for the next generation and the superior man knows this and acts in a way to save and preserve the seed. The "house" could represent the flesh of the fruit that protects the seed and the inferior man just splits it apart, doesn't bother to protect the seed. Or perhaps the "house" is Earth and the inferior man uses up the resources so no more food will grow.

I'm thinking this could mean anything from Trump being around as long as he takes care of his health to global warning somehow being significant to this answer.
 
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Could a "large fruit that goes uneaten" refer to the practice of not eating the best fruits but saving them for their seed? Then the "carriage" would be the seed that carries the DNA for the next generation and the superior man knows this and acts in a way to save and preserve the seed.
Which would mean he is the superior man?

The "house" could represent the flesh of the fruit that protects the seed and the inferior man just splits it apart, doesn't bother to protect the seed.
or the inferior one!

I'm thinking this could mean anything from Trump being around as long as he takes care of his health to global warning somehow being significant to this answer.
Since you asked what will bring him down it could mean that he will act as the inferior man? perhaps?

But he is no more in the news around here, everyone thinks he is already "down".
 

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I don't see this answer as indicating a specific person but more like a general observation as in...
Question: What will bring Trump down?
Answer: Well it's important that ______ (Health, reputation, home, planet earth, what ever it is that sustains one) be protected. A smart person will take care of it so they can continue on into the future. A foolish person will abuse their health, reputation, whatever, to live it up in the moment.
 

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I asked the I Ching what will finally be Trump's downfall? What is his Achilles heel?

I received 23.6 - 2.
Hi rosada
Trump has just about fallen off the radar here in UK but it seems like he is still causing ripples for you and in the USA.

It's interesting for me that 23 follows Adorning and comes into being when 'adornment becomes excessive and beauty comes to an end' (Huang). Although in 23 something is still rotten it has to go through a process of decay. This process, outlined in the Image, requires that the decay can only happen slowly and brings with it a renovation of the standards on which one bases ones life.

Your enquiry locates Trump as walking in open fields (2) at the moment. Nothing around him to rail against just beautiful green fields. And yet Hex 2 is also the deep motivation within and behind Hex 23. How he responds to the open boundaryless land around him could be his Achilles heel. Like all of us we have to find ways to give meaning to life and it could be his old habits which created meaning for him just get a little bit out of control. Perhaps they become too extreme as the parts of his character that held his full extremeness in check also begin to decay. He has a potential going forward to fall in behind the good in his character and to correct his faults however it may be that his Achilles Heel does not allow this to happen.

The position at line 6 carries a wide range of insights from mental processes and wisdom, through ancient ancestral tracks to culmination and death. Perhaps, at this line all that remains in Trump's world is what he knows that has worked for him in the past and he hangs onto it for dear life thinking he is riding along in a carriage when really by remaining unbending his house is being ripped asunder.

Tom Riseman says of 23.6.
The message is : understand and be sensitive to all experiences. The seeds of your future lie within the flow of recent events. Take them, but do not cling to the useless husks of previous ideals and ambitions.

... or it might be nothing at all like this.
 

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A large fruit uneaten ... Meaning sustenance is still available.

The superior man has a carriage ... Meaning if he acts presidential, he has a "vehicle" to bring him places.

The inferior man is split apart ... Meaning he can't decide between the fruit or the carriage... Goes for both?

Ok. From that perspective, I say ...

The fruit is him. He's got enough pulp to keep our eyes rolling for years. (Pun absolutely intended.)

He has a carriage to take him places... Businesses, stocks, the fact he's a former president means he can charge speaking fees at a pretty penny.

But he can't decide whether to put it all out there or not, and his "have the cake and eat it" attitude makes him choke. (Again with the puns ... Sorry/not sorry) He wants more.

That's his downfall.
 

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Trump's home was searched by the FBI this weekend as they looked for government documents he is suspected of having taken. If he is charged and found guilty of destroying government papers he will be barred from ever holding public office again! If splitting with the papers in his carriage turns out to be his downfall the I Ching called it back in February!
 

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What is the fruit still uneaten then?
And is the FBI the great man?
 

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The “large fruit” could represent the presidency which he didn't get and which a superior man would have left uneaten, taken retirement, the golden parachute or "chariot" and moved on but being an inferior man he tried to take the White House papers to his house which was searched, "split apart" and the papers found which is most likely going to eventually lead to his being ineligible to run for the presidency again or worse for him, his losing his supporters. His Truth Social website has lost 75% of it's stock value.
 
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hello rosada
I asked the I Ching what will finally be Trump's downfall? What is his Achilles heel?

"someone (person, group or institution) who can deal decisively with all this sabotage."

-For me, hex23 is the hexagram of sabotage (self-sabotage included)... and it's easy to read the lines as the various stages of a sabotage.

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What do you make of the Image for 23? It describes such a pleasant scene but the Judgement is horrific. Is the advice to let everything go, let the past completely Collapse, and by so doing, by releasing one’s own point of view, you can float above it all and see your life not as a daily battlefield but from a more detached perspective where everything is beautiful?
 

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Is 23 associated with the fall season by any chance? Like this is a feeling of winter is coming on, time to let it all go and 24. Return to your cave till spring?
 

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Now seeing 23.6 in regards to my original question as saying Trump himself comes to realize you can’t take it with you and decides to let it all go.
 

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rosada said:​

What do you make of the Image for 23? It describes such a pleasant scene but the Judgement is horrific.


translation by Bradford Hatcher:
"23.X, Overall Image
The mountain depends on the earth
Decomposing
Superiors, accordingly, are generous to subordinates
Confirming their positions"

"23.0, Decomposing
Not worthwhile to have somewhere to go"




hex 23 in a context of self- sabotage:

in relation to image:

"that which is superior in you, endowed with a holistic vision and manages to put in due order, confirming the relative position and its importance, of all aspects of your person."

in relation to judgment:

there is no point in moving anywhere different from the situation you are in ( insubordination, self-sabotage) until you(the superior in you) can deal with it and resolve this decaying state.



rosada said:​

Is 23 associated with the fall season by any chance? Like this is a feeling of winter is coming on, time to let it all go and 24. Return to your cave till spring?

I also associate 23 with autumn and 24 with winter but I put this association in something more general linked to Li 利 and Zhen 真 respectively.

-the Li 利 in hex 23 associated with determining what is essential and should be preserved (a person of superior vision) from what should be separated and transformed (aspects of self sabotage of this person) into something more useful and can serve as nutrition for a later phase (a new spring)

-the Zhen 真 in hex 24 associated with the wisdom of perceiving that "this person of higher vision" has to be preserved in this situation of self-sabotage.... the return associated with hex 24, the need to "gain sanity", resting and avoiding "tempting trips and encounters with self-sabotage"


but applied to Trump and your question:

- "the person of higher vision",the President...the person with the qualities needed to hold an institutional office of the highest responsibility to represent the values and functioning of an entire society based on a democratic vision of its collective way of life.( Trump as an institutional representative and not Trump with his private/limited interests and visions).

-"self-sabotage"...the president who is not ready to exercise his institutional position, manifesting and seeking to exercise a management of an institutional position, not as an "institutional person" but as a "person in his private or representative of a party rather than a representative of the whole". (Trump, this person of partial interests, that the USA was forced to see)



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So would you read 23.6 as saying Trump's fall comes as a result of "self-sabotage", meaning the things he's done to promote his private interests at the times when he should have been acting for the collective?

Things for talking me through this.
 

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rosada said:​

So would you read 23.6 as saying Trump's fall comes as a result of "self-sabotage", meaning the things he's done to promote his private interests at the times when he should have been acting for the collective?

Things for talking me through this.

...!!!!????

no, none of that in the way you are posing the question... and the way I see it in #12 and #16 is almost the opposite.

..but just to clarify:

What I am saying and emphasizing is first and foremost his lack of ability or interest to live up to the institutional position entrusted to him.
-A position that requires strictly constitutional conduct.
And along with this lack of capacity, but as a consequence, comes his predisposition to fill with "personal improvisations of partial interests" what should be a scrupulously constitutional conduct.
These "personal improvisations of partial interests" in a constitutional office turn out to be a self-sabotage to his position as President.

...looks at what history shows in relation to the best and worst presidents of the USA:

-the best were always people who faced difficult times in collective life and even so left a legacy of unity in the country for the inspiration/gratitude of future generations.

-the worst were always people who did not live up to the constitutional weight that the position deserves and because of that they ended up leaving as a "legacy to history" their "personal mess"...a self-sabotage of the position of President.

...well, I've said more than I wanted to about Trump.

Goodbye:)

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Hmm.. I don’t understand the distinction you’re making here but no biggie. Thank you for pointing out that 23 can mean self sabotage. I had thought of it as merely an act of releasing the past or unnecessary baggage like a 3 stage rocket releasing the first two stages when that fuel was used up. Now I recognize its warning.
 

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