What will happen with Trump?

[Valmar33]

Hi all!

I did my own reading on what will happen regarding, because I was a bit curious.

I got 56.2.4.5.6.

I decided to use the Bradford Hatcher method, using the Wilhelm / Baynes translation. I consulted only the changing lines from each hexagram.

It paints an interesting series of events:

Trump gains office, via 56.2.

50.4 implies that Trump is not equal to the difficult task at hand.

4.5 then seems to imply that through if Trump can let go of his arrogance, and seeks the proper teachers, so to speak, he might overcome any issues that arise.

29.6 then paints a picture of a man who is imprisoned or entangled... prevented from acting.

Additional interpretations, welcome.

 

[Lavalamp]

Valmar, just to clarify, was your question what will happen now at this particular time, or in November at the election? When I said now in my question I meant there have been all these circumstance, like "now what will happen in November?"
And your reading was 56.2.4.5.6>48?

With more than 3 lines I use the method to read the hexagrams rather than the lines, like Ewald "the lines are too many" Berker and Pocassin who used to interpret for people here.

56 to 48 sounds like 56 hitting the road on tour campaigning, and 48 going to the well which is your (human) resources.
So it sounds like your question was about now-now?

- LL

 

[Valmar33]

Yeah, in general.

 

[Lavalamp]

Well some will divine more than 3 lines as a sequential progression of what will happen.
What I find works for me is you read more than 3 lines in a hex as it progressing as a whole to the relating hex, rather than the relating hex being context. Attached you can see this on Ewald's website Eclectic Energies for 56 Wanderer/Traveler to 48 The Well.
If you were asking what Trump is going to do now, 56 says he will travel and progress will take time, and he will need to keep traveling to get anywhere. But things go well, good fortune.
48 refers to drawing from resources, and the town renewing. If one thinks of resources as money, you don't have unlimited funds, and if people can't get to the funds that is unfortunate. But it says no loss no gain.
Given the economic damage of the coronavirus and hundreds of millions in damage from the riots, "no loss no gain" could be taken to mean getting back to where the country was before all of this.
Actually stock market just did that, it is back to where it was at the beginning of the year.

- LL

 

[my_key]

What will happen with Trump?
Response: 56.2.4.5.6>48
Travelling through Replenishing

This I see as a more general comment around what is a way in the future ('will happen') for Mr Trump and not just associated with re-elections or politics in general. Perhaps, this is an enquiry into and a statement around his future wellbeing .

The very act of travelling indicates that things are in transition and nothing is clear. A traveller travelling in a strange land. A new cycle has started yet there is no certainty of outcomes. A wise traveller is 'clear-minded and cautious in imposing penalties and protracts no lawsuits.' Not attributes that can be easily pinned to Mr Trump from recent events in his life.

56.2 - He arrives at an overnight residence with is belongings - values, principles and integrity - and here in this temporary location if they are used skillfully he will gain followers. The young servant in the first flush of servitude might be unaware of , or turn a blind eye to, his arrogance, regular losing of temper, picking fights or generally offensive language and behaviours ,
Here, Wilhelm describes a state of modesty and reservedness as internal attributes and a liking for other people as an external way of being which together are the best way to win a faithful following

56.4 - In this story we are not having to face the inn burning down (56.3) but here the traveller gets down-graded to a shelter. He has kept his belongings, or as Huang calls them ' travelling expenses', but feels a sadness and has need to protect himself. The shelter is temporary, this first step into the new outer world is not how the traveller thought it would be.

56.5 - He recognises his dire circumstances and hatches a plan: he presents a gift, using his skills and abilities as best he can to show himself in a new light.

56.6- The important thing in this line is to remember that you are a traveller. Travellers have only a transitory nature in their relationships and trying to be something other than a traveller takes you down a wrong path. If this is forgotten, i.e arrogance and inflexibility remain, bringing you to believe that you are something more than you are ( Can a traveller really take up residence?). If that becomes so i.e that the traveller is a traveller, then later on sadness and tears abound.

A reading that to me indicates the time for creative change ( re balancing) around the core of ones being (56.2), can become coupled with a total change in the outer world (56.4, 56.5, 56.6). However, in the act of replenishing there needs to be, for best outcomes, an approach where 'the superior person encourages the people at their work, and urges them to help one another.' The latest examples of encouraging division between people and his own seperation from the people do not bode well in respect of status change from traveller to resident. Maybe for Trump it is entirely true that The Well can't be moved and then if further events shorten the rope and break his bucket, well.... then he really is in for a hard time.

So , what will happen to Trump? I see opportunity coming up for Trump to change in the future however if he does not recognise the need for change ( personal change) then he will continue to have difficulties living with himself and will seperate himself from the American people. Perhaps it is true........Once a traveller always a traveller - always having to move, always the wheeler dealer, always looking to win, always looking for approval and for a place to rest at peace within himself.

......or it may be nothing like that at all.

 

[rosada]

I can see "Traveling" as another word for "running" and the image for 48 as a job description for a good president, "The superior man encouraging people at their work and exhorts them to help one another," so I'm seeing the question, "What will happen with Trump?" as referencing his run for president.

Trump, as the 56.The Runner for the office of 48.President will...
56.2 Travel about to various cities where he will hold rallies and gain helpers and volunteers for his campaign.
56.4 The receptions he receives are okay but he instinctively recognizes he's losing that winning feeling. (Maybe social distancing prevents the huge turnouts he's looking for? Maybe he holds the rallies in smaller venues?)
56.5 He does things that energize his base. (This sounds like he might win!)
56.6 But he takes his success for granted and as usual ends up doing something that offends people. (Even if he does win, some new scandal?)

 

[Lavalamp]

So , what will happen to Trump? I see opportunity coming up for Trump to change in the future however if he does not recognise the need for change ( personal change) then he will continue to have difficulties living with himself and will seperate himself from the American people. Perhaps it is true........Once a traveller always a traveller - always having to move, always the wheeler dealer, always looking to win, always looking for approval and for a place to rest at peace within himself.

Well the President is actually doing now - now as the question asked - what the hex to hex method of reading says.
He's travelling (56 The Traveller) to Dallas today for a roundtable discussion with (48 The Well) faith leaders, law enforcement officials and small-business owners to discuss race relations and policing, and is supposed to announce his administration’s plans “for holistic revitalization and recovery” (rebuilding the town.) Then he's having a (48 The Well) fundraising dinner.

- LL

 

[hilary]

I've just moved a stack of non-reading-related posts to Open Space. Would appreciate it if you could post them there in the first place.

About the question for this reading - I actually wrote the subject line; Valmar was originally replying on the last Trump-related thread that I closed. So I imagine that by a 'reading on what will happen' s/he means specifically in the November election.

(How does US politics work - is the incumbent always up for reelection, or is it theoretically possible for the Republicans to choose a different candidate?)

 

[my_key]

Well the President is actually doing now - now as the question asked - what the hex to hex method of reading says.
He's travelling (56 The Traveller) to Dallas today for a roundtable discussion with (48 The Well) faith leaders, law enforcement officials and small-business owners to discuss race relations and policing, and is supposed to announce his administration’s plans “for holistic revitalization and recovery” (rebuilding the town.) Then he's having a (48 The Well) fundraising dinner.

- LL

Hi LL
I'd appreciate it if we can stick with the reading interpretations rather than veer off into the politics, especially as I don't see this as being a consultation about what will happen to trump politically.

You have picked a very small part of my post and you have made an attempt to refute what was written, in a small way. Staying on your political band wagon when my interpretation is clearly not a political one -more one of a perspective on Trumps humanity and future wellbeing . Maybe, though, it is difficult to completely remove the intertwinedness when looking at such a complicated character. Today, indeed, is in the future from when the question was posed ( last Tuesday) but why today for it to be fulfilled?

The question was wide arching and had an openness to it - a wide framework if you like - which is how I framed my interpretation. You have picked a very narrow window to 'proove' a different interpretation. I wonder what makes today such a special day for Valmar 33's question to be fulfilled and not tomorrow or the day after or the day after that? I repeat........Today, indeed, is in the future from when the question was posed ( last Tuesday) but why today for it to be fulfilled?

It's always interesting to see what people respond to and what they ignore in any yijing consultation. It's certainly easier to make a story when there are no changing lines included, however I'm wondering if you can explain why 48 The Well is included twice in your interpretation? Why have you not got a second Traveller to balance things up?

I know you speak from your heart when you post on here and I wonder if as you have not picked fault in any other aspects of what I wrote then in your heart you are in agreement with the other interpretation points I voiced?

Good Luck

 

[my_key]

I can see "Traveling" as another word for "running" and the image for 48 as a job description for a good president, "The superior man encouraging people at their work and exhorts them to help one another," so I'm seeing the question, "What will happen with Trump?" as referencing his run for president.

Trump, as the 56.The Runner for the office of 48.President will...
56.2 Travel about to various cities where he will hold rallies and gain helpers and volunteers for his campaign.
56.4 The receptions he receives are okay but he instinctively recognizes he's losing that winning feeling. (Maybe social distancing prevents the huge turnouts he's looking for? Maybe he holds the rallies in smaller venues?)
56.5 He does things that energize his base. (This sounds like he might win!)
56.6 But he takes his success for granted and as usual ends up doing something that offends people. (Even if he does win, some new scandal?)

HiRosada
I like this perspective of a job description for a good president. I think that it's also a good job description for any politician or for that matter any person.

 

[Lavalamp]

It's always interesting to see what people respond to and what they ignore in any yijing consultation. It's certainly easier to make a story when there are no changing lines included, however I'm wondering if you can explain why 48 The Well is included twice in your interpretation? Why have you not got a second Traveller to balance things up?

My Key it's an established orthodox method of reading that when there are more than 3 lines you read the hexes not the lines, and when there are 3 or less lines you read the lines and read the relating hex as context.
As I cited that is how Ewald Berker reads and his sites inteprets. I was often puzzed trying to read the second hex as outcome, but when i started reading it as context and just read lines when there are 3 or less, things really fell into place. I learned that from several readers here and it sharpened my interpretavive skills considerably. Occasionally though, context is kind of an answer in of itself.
Pocassin too would look at a reading and see two hexes and and see how changes were happening and you'd have a simple, if sometimes obvious interpretation. Sometimes it's like that. I think communication is best when kept simple, so the simpler the approach the better. Why would the Yi make what it was saying diifcult to understand? KISS, no?
Anyway 56 to 48. Yes he is traveling today. And yes he is going to the well, to his people resources and to his financial resources. The question is what he is going to do now. Well there it is.

- LL

 

[Lavalamp]

I'd appreciate it if we can stick with the reading interpretations rather than veer off into the politics, especially as I don't see this as being a consultation about what will happen to trump politically.

So would I, and I have resisted that kind of discussion pretty hard but some people are always spoiling for a fight.

- LL

 

[my_key]

So would I, and I have resisted that kind of discussion pretty hard but some people are always spoiling for a fight.

- LL

I'm not spoiling for a fight here. Let's explore the reading shall we.

 

[my_key]

My Key it's an established orthodox method of reading that when there are more than 3 lines you read the hexes not the lines, and when there are 3 or less lines you read the lines and read the relating hex as context.
As I cited that is how Ewald Berker reads and his sites inteprets. I was often puzzed trying to read the second hex as outcome, but when i started reading it as context and just read lines when there are 3 or less, things really fell into place. I learned that from several readers here and it sharpened my interpretavive skills considerably. Occasionally though, context is kind of an answer in of itself.
Pocassin too would look at a reading and see two hexes and and see how changes were happening and you'd have a simple, if sometimes obvious interpretation. Sometimes it's like that. I think communication is best when kept simple, so the simpler the approach the better. Why would the Yi make what it was saying diifcult to understand? KISS, no?
Anyway 56 to 48. Yes he is traveling today. And yes he is going to the well, to his people resources and to his financial resources. The question is what he is going to do now. Well there it is.

- LL

I'm not disputing that many others extol the virtue of using the hexagrams only, however for me it leaves many gaps.
I can live with the idea that 3 lines or below the resultant hex is context and above 3 lines the second hex is resultant or an outcome or goal to aim for.

So, to follow this theme. Here we have 4 changing lines

So here Trump is the Traveller and his goal is to be The Well.

Hex 56 speaks of 'being outside the normal network of things' (Karcher) or that 'Strange lands and seperation are the Wanderer's lot' (Wilhelm). Or maybe you start from a different perspective - which you of course can.

Hex 48 has a theme of 'inexhaustable dispensing of nourishment' (Wilhelm) and that there are many ways of 'closing the Well'. Again for you The Well may have a different connotation.

Are you able to help define the route that takes what will happen to Trump - political or otherwise - from Hex 56 through to Hex 48?. In my way of interpreting this is the point at which the lines become important and I'm wondering how you do that without the use of the lines. Where does the content for the story of Hex 56 > Hex 48 that you see in the reading come from?

 

[Lavalamp]

Are you able to help define the route that takes what will happen to Trump - political or otherwise - from Hex 56 through to Hex 48?. In my way of interpreting this is the point at which the lines become important and I'm wondering how you do that without the use of the lines. Where does the content for the story of Hex 56 > Hex 48 that you see in the reading come from?

? Just what the hexes say. The question was what he would DO. Do NOW.
The 56 Traveller travels.
48 is coming and going, drawing from the well.
Right NOW, that is exactly what he is doing, he has (56) travelled to Dallas, and he's meeting in a roundtable discussion with (48) human resources, and has a (48) fundraiser tonight. (two kinds of resources, human and financial.)

- LL

 

[my_key]

? Just what the hexes say. The question was . Do NOW.
The 56 Traveller travels.
48 is coming and going, drawing from the well.
Right NOW, that is exactly what he is doing, he has (56) travelled to Dallas, and he's meeting in a roundtable discussion with (48) human resources, and has a (48) fundraiser tonight. (two kinds of resources, human and financial.)

- LL

Questions are really important because they frame the answer so I went to check it out and you originally asked "How will Donald Trump do now in the November elections?"

So this originally is not a 'what he would DO' question but a' how will he DO' question.
I can see that the travels to Dallas and the human and financial resources certain answer the 'what' of your enquiry

You also clarified to Valmar a few posts back "When I said now in my question I meant there have been all these circumstance, like "now what will happen in November?" - so it's clearly a forward looking towards November kind of qustion and some confusion exists about whether this is a 'what' or a 'how' type of question. Which ever it is it clearly looks like like the timing for the enquiry was definitely leaning towards an event in November at election time rather than an event in Dallas in June.

Another layer of confusion ( my confusion if not yours ) comes from Valmar 33 who cast the Hex 58 > Hex 48 and commented on the lines using another interpretation method entirely. He said he was curious and so "I did my own reading on what will happen regarding (unfinished) " but I'm assuming it's regarding your question of "How will Donald Trump do now in the November elections?"
I think that I got the wrong end of the stick with my interpretation in that I was answering a question that in my mind was aimed towards events closer to November election time and focused more at Donald Trump than his likely performance at the November elections.

So I guess the question is something like " What will happen now regarding how Donald Trump will do in the November elections? " Response 56: 2.4.5.6.> 48 .

I think I answered the wrong question and I'm wondering if you think you have too?
I am even less clear of the Traveller going to the Well in Dallas being linked to how will Donald Trump do in the elections. If you can add a bit more detail i'd appreciate it, especially about which bits to refer to on the eclectic energies page as that may help me to see a clearer picture into the way your method works for you.

 

[BaronAsh]

Hi, am new here. I did a throw on Trump and then googled to see if anyone else had in cyberlandia and here I am. I'll post mine in another thread - needless to say, it's VERY different!

I find the simple interpretation above that he is travelling/campaigning (56) fairly clear. Then you have the Well which has to do with going to the wellspring, the source, the meeting point, the core of the community, society and so forth. So he is traveling around connecting with the heartland, with society, with the people trying to nourish/ gain support etc. It all makes pretty good sense.

As to whether it's about now or now-until-November: time, like everything else especially in Yin-Yang universe, is holographic. A moment in time reflects aspects at play over a more extended period. The interpretation for today is neat that way.

 

[Lavalamp]

You also clarified to Valmar a few posts back "When I said now in my question I meant there have been all these circumstance, like "now what will happen in November?" - so it's clearly a forward looking towards November kind of qustion and some confusion exists about whether this is a 'what' or a 'how' type of question. Which ever it is it clearly looks like like the timing for the enquiry was definitely leaning towards an event in November at election time rather than an event in Dallas in June.

Valmar asked a different question than I did. I asked about November saying "do now in the November elections" meaning now = given present circumstances. My headline for the reading left the word now out actually, "How will Donald Trump do in the November elections?"
When I asked, Valmar specified his/her question was about now-now "pretty much."

What I got for my reading was different too -

>>> "How will Donald Trump do now in the November elections?"
17 unchanging. "Following." Also "Acquiring Followers."
Judgment - All judgment translations indicate a successful outcome.
Legge: Following indicates successful progress and no error through firm correctness.
Wilhelm/Baynes: Following has supreme success. Perseverance furthers. No blame.
The Image -
Legge: ...The superior man, in accordance with this, at nightfall enters his house and rests.
Wilhelm/Baynes: ...Thus the superior man at nightfall goes indoors for rest and recuperation.
Liu: ... In the evening, the superior man rests and relaxes in his home.

I interpret this to mean Trump will be successful and reelected, aquiring new followers, and do well enough to be able to relax for once, unlike the last 3 years with multiple attempts to remove him from office.
"Resting in his house" may actual be literal, the White House and Democrats could well lose the House of Representatives, so he would have Party control of both Houses Of Congress. <<<<


- LL

 

[my_key]

Hi LL

It's interesting that you have again avoided answering my specific question about how you work specifically with the two hexagram readings. Are you able to explain to me why that is? I'd really like to see more deeply how you make your interpretations.

Valmar asked a different question than I did. I asked about November saying "do now in the November elections" meaning now = given present circumstances. My headline for the reading left the word now out actually, "How will Donald Trump do in the November elections?"
When I asked, Valmar specified his/her question was about now-now "pretty much."

Similarly you have veered off from the Valmar 33 question. https://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/fri...n-the-november-elections-17-unchanging.30145/

Valmar asked a different question than I did. I asked about November saying "do now in the November elections" meaning now = given present circumstances. My headline for the reading left the word now out actually, "How will Donald Trump do in the November elections?"
When I asked, Valmar specified his/her question was about now-now "pretty much."

You actually asked "When I said now in my question I meant there have been all these circumstance, like "now what will happen in November?"" and Valmar responded with not "pretty much." but with "Yeah" agreeing with your "now what will happen in November?"followed by "in general". So his question was to my way of thinking is basically the same as yours based on a situation in November.

How Will Trump Do In The November elections? 17 Unchanging.

Rosada thinks the augury explains that supreme success comes from an ability to sense and go with the flow and therefore advises that a superior person would do whatever necessary to align with the flow, even if it means leaving a situation. With that thought in mind even though the hexagram...

www.onlineclarity.co.uk

I went through the original thread yesterday so am able to quote from memory. Which is lucky because when I checked back today both your post enquiring of Valmar33 and his reply no longer appear in the thread. Only you can delete your own posts unless you asked an admin person to do it for you, so it would be great if you could explain what happened there. What really intrigues me is why Valmar 33 should also want to delete their lest than 10-word post within the same 24 hour period. So strange.... any ideas?

Especially when you have misquoted Valmar completely in your reply. He never wrote the words "pretty much." - you only use double quotes like that when yoou are repeating the actual words. Additionally, your reply seems to have twisted the meaning of yours and his combined posts significantly. It looks like you are building a case to justify your Dallas-gate posting and your comments around that.

Is this a case of massaging Yi's words as well, I wonder.

>>> "How will Donald Trump do now in the November elections?"
17 unchanging. "Following." Also "Acquiring Followers."
Judgment - All judgment translations indicate a successful outcome.
Legge: Following indicates successful progress and no error through firm correctness.
Wilhelm/Baynes: Following has supreme success. Perseverance furthers. No blame.
The Image -
Legge: ...The superior man, in accordance with this, at nightfall enters his house and rests.
Wilhelm/Baynes: ...Thus the superior man at nightfall goes indoors for rest and recuperation.
Liu: ... In the evening, the superior man rests and relaxes in his home.

I interpret this to mean Trump will be successful and reelected, aquiring new followers, and do well enough to be able to relax for once, unlike the last 3 years with multiple attempts to remove him from office.
"Resting in his house" may actual be literal, the White House and Democrats could well lose the House of Representatives, so he would have Party control of both Houses Of Congress. <<<<

It's easier to follow your method of interpretation when there isn't a second hexagram or changing lines. As you seemed to like the trophy hunting element of gathering together other peoples interpretations I'll add my bit here, as you have so kindly dangled the bait. I hope you will quote this reply along with all the others that you have gathered as you promised to do in November.

The word sui originally meant "hunt." It carries the dual meanings of pursuing something and following it. People brought into the energies of Hex 17 hold the paradox and the the opportunity to learn that in order to lead they must first learn to follow.

The Judgement
Following. Supreme success.
It is beneficial to be constant and steadfastly faithful. No blame.

So "supreme success" comes from learning to follow. I'm using the Jack Balkin text and in his commentary he says, and I quote:

"If you try to gain mastery over other people through force and fraud, or through conspiracy and connivance, you will poison social relations and breed resentment and resistance. At most you will gain control only of a faction that must suppress its opponents. If you win power through injuring others, you will have to keep injuring them to maintain your base. The injuries you do to others will not fade away; they will haunt you later on."

There is no guarantee that what you pursue you will catch. However Hex 17 encourages the cultivation of patience, open-mindedness, flexibility and a willingness to learn to support your chances of "supreme success"

The Image
Thunder in the middle of the lake:
This is the image of Following.
Thus the superior person
Goes indoors at night for rest and recuperation.

This image is still in the context of hunting - pursuing and following. Thunder above the lake a symbol of fresh energy and renewal. Have you ever felt the atmosphere in the air after a thunder storm? To me that epitomises this image. The storm is produces a new atmosphere and the superior peron ( the morally and ethically superior peron because that is what Yijing philosophy focusses on) can rest easy in the midst of this changed atmosphere.

In unchanging hexagrams there can also be meaning to be gleaned from the Nuclear; in this case Hex 53 Gradual Progress.

So from a political perspective after all the recent shennanigans "How will Donald Trump do now in the November elections?"
He is going to do well if he can develop a capacity to learn that in order to lead effectively, they must first learn to follow. In November, there is a fresh perspective a fresh energy pervading the world that the genral populus may choose to follow. Maybe they have become tired of being injured and having seen things for what they are go indoors at night feeling relaxed and looking forward to some recuperation.

Trumps attitude and behaviours remind me of a hunter. He stalks and he is intent on getting the kill. Perhaps these behaviours, should he constantly follow through with them, will prevail for another term or maybe the followers ( the electorate) will become inspired and gradually progess towards change. Because of the unchanging nature of your cast the enthusiasm of Hex 16 may not be there for progressing beyond a time of Following into the world of Hex 18.

It'll be interesting to see what happens.

 

[Valmar33]

I went through the original thread yesterday so am able to quote from memory. Which is lucky because when I checked back today both your post enquiring of Valmar33 and his reply no longer appear in the thread. Only you can delete your own posts unless you asked an admin person to do it for you, so it would be great if you could explain what happened there. What really intrigues me is why Valmar 33 should also want to delete their lest than 10-word post within the same 24 hour period. So strange.... any ideas?

The admin moved it to this thread, so that's why. Which is fine.

Gets more visibility... or something.

 

[my_key]

The admin moved it to this thread, so that's why. Which is fine.

Gets more visibility... or something.

Hi Valmar
Which thread is that? The hyperlink doesn't seem to be active in your post.
Plus maybe you can say what you were really asking about, rather than me or Querent 77 remaining with different perspectives. It'd be great to get it straight from the horses mouth.

Good Luck.

 

[hilary]

Hi Mykey,

Not sure which post is lost, but I have been moving several around as and when rows erupt about Trump. I started this thread by moving Valmar's post from one I was about to close; I've also moved several that weren't reading-related to a separate Open Space thread.

 

[my_key]

Hi Mykey,

Not sure which post is lost, but I have been moving several around as and when rows erupt about Trump. I started this thread by moving Valmar's post from one I was about to close; I've also moved several that weren't reading-related to a separate Open Space thread.

No worries Hilary. The posts that I couldn't find having seen them yesterday was Querent 77 asking for clarification of Valmar 33's question and then Valmar's short response. If you've been working your magic behind the scenes then that could well explain why they both went walkabouts at the same time.

The posts contained from Querent 77 the words "When I said now in my question I meant there have been all these circumstance, like "now what will happen in November?"" and from Valmar "Yeah" and "in general".

I saw conspiracy !! Two posts from different people disappearing at the same time. But if you are the root then I'll stand down.

 

[hilary]

Don't think I moved those, unless I've started moving posts in my sleep. Which is always possible.

 

[Lavalamp]

My Key.

Valmar, just to clarify, was your question what will happen now at this particular time, or in November at the election? When I said now in my question I meant there have been all these circumstance, like "now what will happen in November?"
And your reading was 56.2.4.5.6>48?.....

56 to 48 sounds like 56 hitting the road on tour campaigning, and 48 going to the well which is your (human) resources.
So it sounds like your question was about now-now?

Yeah, in general.

You perhaps might be a little more thorough before letting loose with such unwarranted - well, accusations actually.

- LL

 

[Lavalamp]

It's interesting that you have again avoided answering my specific question about how you work specifically with the two hexagram readings. Are you able to explain to me why that is? I'd really like to see more deeply how you make your interpretations.

I have not avoided your question at all, and already explained this at least twice in this thread. Perhaps you could be more specific what exactly you don't get about what I have said.
Look, the underlying reasoning in this fairly established method - which I learned here and sharpened my reading skills a lot- is looking at how much change energy is present in a reading.

If there are 3 lines or less, the change energy is in the lines. Then the relating hex is read as context.
So if you are asking about money, you might get 55 Abundance or 14 Wealth as a context hex. If you are asking about your music career, you might get 16 Music/Enthusiasm as the context hex ( I have on these hexes many times.) Context means the Yi is saying "Speaking about money" or "Speaking about music..." Trying to read the relating hex as outcome made things quite obtuse most of the time for me. On some occasions reading it as outcome would make sense because as context, the context of the answer itself would indicate outcome.

If there are more than 3 lines there is a lot of change energy so you read the hexes, one to the next.
In this example the question was what someone was going to do now. I said 56 travel - 48 go to the well, which is what happened, the subject traveled to do a conference with human resource, and a fundraiser. Both are apt descriptions of 48.

What someone is going to DO now is a pretty simple question. And when in less than 24 hours they do what the simple reading said, that's pretty clear to me. Getting into motivations or inner world stuff is beyond the scope of the question. Unless they plan to go on a spiritual retreat or something a reading might mention those kinds of things.
But if you want those kind of answers - and plainly that seems to be what you are fishing for - you should ask a new, different question.

- LL

 

[my_key]

Hi LL
There seems to be a disconnect between what you are willing to comment on and the full depth of enquiries that I am making about the method you use. Perhaps I am missing the point or perhaps you are not explaining it well enough although there has been ample opportunity for us both to get what the other is saying.

So I think there is little value for us both in taking the exploration of your method further.
Your simplified approach works for you and I have been unable to gain from you enough information to see whether it works for me, or could work for me.
For me, lack of lines and just two hexagrams just allows too much room. There is temptation for fitting my thoughts to make the reading what I want it to be rather than having to grapple with a number of lines, hexagrams, judgements and images from which I can mould my understanding into a response from Yi. This for me allows a more challenging and productive relationship with Yi - seeing the shallow and exploring the depth. You obviously prefer the simple approach and that is fine for you. Let's agree to differ.

You perhaps might be a little more thorough before letting loose with such unwarranted - well, accusations actually.

Thanks for the two links and for pointing out my error - somehow I'd missed them. I thought you had deleted your post and Valmar his and wondered why you might both want to do that. That is clearly not the case, I couldn't find them because I was looking in the wrong thread. I apologise for that part of my post.

Good Luck

 

[Lavalamp]

o I think there is little value for us both in taking the exploration of your method further.
Your simplified approach works for you and I have been unable to gain from you enough information to see whether it works for me, or could work for me.
For me, lack of lines and just two hexagrams just allows too much room. There is temptation for fitting my thoughts to make the reading what I want it to be rather than having to grapple with a number of lines, hexagrams, judgements and images from which I can mould my understanding into a response from Yi. This for me allows a more challenging and productive relationship with Yi - seeing the shallow and exploring the depth. You obviously prefer the simple approach and that is fine for you. Let's agree to differ.

It's not "my method." It's establishment Dude. I learned it when asking advice here about why the change hex made no sense as an outcome in many of my readings, and everyone chimed in because it was the relating hex, not an outcome hex. It was talking about context. Ask around, the regulars might even admit it. If I asked a question about my music career, I would get 16 as the relating hex which is about music. Most of the time it's been that tres obvious, other times it specifies the scope of the answer in the lines.

As for temptation, you don't like a simple method because it provides you with LESS room to insert opinion.
When you simply look at the image of hexes, what the person going to DO? Uhh - 56 travel (to Dallas) and meet with (48) people for their advice and with donors for funds.
But you want the Adventures of Don Juan or the Count Of Monte Cristo. Pfft. Then ask a different question Dude. It's not like you are going to run out of coin tosses.

- LL

 

[Trojina]

To be clear just taking the 2 hexagrams as the answer is something many people here do, myself, Hilary, Liselle. That is to get an overview you link the 2 hexagrams in a sentence together such as here 'Travelling's Well'. This is not anything resembling a 'special method', it's fairly commonplace. So you see the 2 hexagrams as a sentence to get a picture. You can then look at the lines within that - unless of course you really don't want to talk about a line such as er 56.6 for example.


With many moving lines I would always take an overview of the primary and relating as a sentence. This is not a 'special method' I've been doing that for many years and so have others. Some readings one might not really take the lines into account at all, it depends on the demands of the question. Mostly there is something to be gained from casting an eye over the lines.

Also one must see the change patterns and in this reading they were yang 6 and yin 36, make of that what you will.

The main point I'm making is that taking the two hexagrams together as a story or a sentence is absolutely not a 'special method' it's something many people do especially if there are many lines. It's just common sense.

 

[my_key]

It's not "my method." It's establishment Dude.

Yes I agree. If you check back you will find that I see it as a method you use rather than one you have invented. I have also acknowledged that using just 2 hexagrams is a valid method and it is one that I use myself. My enquiries about your using it for your 56: 2.4.5.6 <> 48 were aligned with seeing if I could glean from you as you have from others on this site. I am reluctant to discount so many changing lines and your way of working easily moves them to one side. Mybe there was something I could learn here.

As for temptation, you don't like a simple method because it provides you with LESS room to insert opinion.
When you simply look at the image of hexes, what the person going to DO? Uhh - 56 travel (to Dallas) and meet with (48) people for their advice and with donors for funds.
But you want the Adventures of Don Juan or the Count Of Monte Cristo. Pfft. Then ask a different question Dude. It's not like you are going to run out of coin tosses.

I'm glad that you have been able to align your reading so perfectly for you with your Dallas-based interpretation. That's always a good feeling when we 'really get' a reading.

I'm not looking for the Adventures of Don Juan or the Count Of Monte Cristo in my relationship with Yi. I'm looking for the wisdom that it holds to percolate into my life situations and the aspects about which I have asked the questions. The deeper I can relate to the wisdom the more it works for me, the more it guides me.

Trojina makes a good point about 'the demands of the question' and in respect of this I'd add that, in my view, the greater the number of changing lines the more the situation is working to be rebalanced and the more Yi is doing to give wise advice to the querent around what is going on. There is nothing special in any method, however as she says, 'mostly there is something to be gained from casting an eye over the lines'. I would agree with her there.

The temptation, when I do a consultation in my mind, to draw a straight line between the two hexagram points can be strong. I can easily get a 'yes got it' moment when a glance at the changing lines says ' no you haven't'. With the the changing lines this becomes an exercise in joining the dots - much more fun and more room for a guided intuitive interpretation. A richer framework to colour in too.That is 'my method' - always glance at the changing lines and explore when required. I was hoping that you sharing a bit more about the workings of 'your method' would be something I could learn from.

As it turns out, I have learnt plenty so thank you.

Good Luck