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Hello there...I recently asked yi, in my latest bout of impatience/frustration, "How am I blocking my own progress here?" in reference to an ongoing situation.

It answered with 12.2.3.5.6 > 32. I was pleasantly dumbstruck by the aptness of the answer (as I often have been, lately). The changes seem to suggest a clear narrative that I can defintely relate to.

I know some folks have methods for ascertaining the position of changes in time, according to the line positions; I don't understand how it works, but given that there's a clear pattern suggested here, I was wondering if anyone had any thoughts? Thanks...
 

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I think that with questions concerning self-change/self-improvement it is difficult to place an objective time-frame. We are in the territory of 'me time' and that isn't easily quantified. I think we need to rely on our inner sense as to when we reach the next stage. I think of hexagram 53 with its step-wise progression. We never finally leave the shore but return to it time and again depending on our course of development. With one cloud height attained (line 6) we arrive at another shore line. (line 1) So I am sure that with experience you can intuit for yourself when you have made the transition from 'bearing shame' to 'partaking of blessing'. I do hope I have understood what you were inquiring about.

Best regards and I like your question.


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Hello there...I recently asked yi, in my latest bout of impatience/frustration, "How am I blocking my own progress here?" in reference to an ongoing situation.

It answered with 12.2.3.5.6 > 32

The Yi seems to be endorsing your understanding of the pattern: you ARE blocking your own progress. In a case like this, pay attention to what the Yi says about this situation generally: "No advantage chief son firmness"

'No advantage' means exactly that - there's no advantage in this approach, so stop knocking your head against the wall.

'Chief son' means the person who's living their life according to a principle, code, or insight higher than that of people who live for possessions, comfort and status. The chief son is the one who's trying to understand life and understand themself, the one who tries to self-develop or self-improve. It's my opinion that the chief son is the most human of humans on the planet - that's what we're here for, I think.

'Firmness' means carrying out what you think is right.

Put it all together, and the message is something like: "Look, when the situation's obstructed like this, you're just wasting your time (even though you're trying to live according to the truth) when you do your best to realize what you think is right. Don't beat yourself up, but understand that the situation is one in which everything great is departing and everything petty is arriving."

What's distressing about this is that the Obstruction of 12 continues in the Constancy of 32 - the Yi seems to be saying: "You're blocking your own progress constantly." Yet it's my belief that when you become conscious of a pattern in your life (as you've done here), half the battle is won because it's no longer free to operate unhindered from the darkness of the unconscious. The other half of the battle is won through two things: outside help, and effort on your part when you get the guidance you need. Outside help can take different forms. If you ask the Universe for help, and if you're sincere and as full of emotion as you were when you consulted the Yi just now, that help will arrive. (For instance, you asked for help in this thread, and two people have offered their help already, and that's just for a small request. Think of the help you might get if you asked for help with something really important!) Because of the obstructionist nature of the time, I would look for outside help with this rather than trust to my own devices.
 

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ken, thanks so much, and yes, you hit the nail on the head. My feeling about this is the same as yours, and I THINK I know where I am in the implied progression; I still struggle with the notions of 'me' time versus 'objective' time -- if there even is such a thing.

And dobro -- I'm a bit confused. The top two lines of 12 talk about the dissolution and the end of obstruction (I'm using Karcher's TOTAL I CHING), so couldn't the relating 32 mean more like, "keep on moving in the direction you're going and the obstruction will disappear" or "keep going this way after the obstruction is gone"?

As I re-read your last paragraph, maybe that's just what you're saying. And just as I was writing this, "outside help" called me on the phone.

Somethin's goin' on, that's for sure...thank you both...
 

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mercury - when there are as many activated lines in a hexagram as you got, I just ignore the individual meanings because I think there's so much going on that it's a salad of stuff and not easy to find any one thing to concentrate on, remember, or work on. That's why I didn't address the individual lines you drew. Other readers look at them however, and so you're not wrong to do that. I would suggest though that Hex 32 is the outcome of the *entire* Hex 12 situation you drew, and not the outcome of any one line in Hex 12.
 

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I see what you mean...

...but yeah, the idea of the obstruction itself being the thing that perseveres, rather than perseverance (32) being the way out, is pretty irritating. (But perhaps resisting that fact IS the obstruction?)
 

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...but yeah, the idea of the obstruction itself being the thing that perseveres, rather than perseverance (32) being the way out, is pretty irritating. (But perhaps resisting that fact IS the obstruction?)

In your case - yes, because the Yi seems to be endorsing your idea of yourself as getting in your own way.

But keep in mind that there are two parts (at least two lol) to what you are: the part you know about cuz it's conscious, and the part that's unconscious. The unconscious part influences your behavior and moods and emotions and thoughts even if your conscious mind has other plans. I mean, nobody CHOOSES to obstruct themselves, right? But people shoot themselves in the foot regularly. I remember in my thirties when I first started seeing how I was my own worst enemy. Wow, and all from the unconscious, unknown part of myself. It's so hard to see stuff when it's from your own unconscious - you have to infer. You have to observe. You have to compare. And observe. And deduce.

And get help. If you can find somebody you can trust to work with, they can really help you see the parts of yourself you're having trouble identifying yourself. A shrink, a good meditation teacher, or a friend who knows you well enough and cares about you enough to both tell you the truth and not hurt your feelings.
 

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Hex 12.5,6 says that the obstacles and blocks will go away with some effort put into their dispatch. This then leads to Hex 32, enduring, once the standstill has come to an end and your luck changes, then life will carry on in that progressive vein, you will be able to get your act together and achieve what you want.
 

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12.2 you are in a subordinate position
12.3 you want more than perhaps is your due
12.5 these adtitudes will net you some gains if tenacious
12.6. (as per one old commentary) "Stagnation's ended- it will come again."
When frustration becomes a habituated aspect of your cycle of changes it sets down roots-
In fact any action you take will become an ingrained pattern in your relationship to the problem.
As to a specific time frame 32 has the aspect of conserving supplies over winter- or any other period of lack
 

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wow, lots of great stuff and much that resonates in all of it.

The main conundrum for me, as far as I can see it (and I've been looking hard, believe me) is, as usual, how to achieve some detachment, and to viscerally understand that it's my conscious/subconscious reaction to certain events in my life which is the obstruction -- not the events themselves, which I can't change or wish away.

I've asked yi often lately about different aspects of this situation, and the reponse is markedly consistent: stay still, stay where you are, keep doing what you're doing, correct yourself, tile your well, and a time of abundance and joy is right around the corner. I keep getting all this wonderful stuff, the good times are coming, the Mandate is at hand, (the karmic check is in the mai)...

It's the being still part that's hard: the nagging desire to know EXACTLY what the problem is to know what to do about it. (But maybe if the answer is not "doing" anything about it, you don't need to know exactly what "it" is. Is that what "letting go is all about?

:duh:
 

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Of everything you are, how much do you *really* need to know about, and how much can you let take care of itself? If a woman's body is making a baby, how much does she need to know about the making of the baby? Just good nutrition, good thoughts and feelings, avoiding toxins, doing a few stretching exercises. The rest is taken care of.

And how long does it take to make a baby? That's worth waiting for, so why not what you're talking about?

Change is a growth process; that means it's slow. Keep the light on while you wait. And wait. Do your part, and life will take care of the rest.
 

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