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Andy has been listless and sneezing for several days. Took him to the vet. His temperature is normal, she gave me an antibiotic, Clavamox. I got two doses into him, now he fights my efforts to give him more. His sneezing is not as bad as it was, but the listlessness is really frightening. Maybe he's depressed?

This started 5 days ago. He went through the inconvenience of spending two hours in his crate in the car (nice day, not cold or damp) while some work was done on my apartment. Maybe a coincidence that he started sneezing the next morning, and he's been moping ever since. Maybe he's allergic to compounds used by workmen, which should have dispersed by now.

24 unchanging seems a bit scary, like he's returning to the earth. I dug around this site and did not find a similar situation for 24 unc.

OR, outside chance that he wants me to RETURN his little rug, which I threw out two weeks ago and haven't replaced yet. It was used exclusively as his "catnip station," where he got nip and treats daily. At 3:00. Haven't replaced rug yet, though treats continue in the same spot.

Would certainly appreciate any thoughts. Andy and I both thank you.
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I think (hope) that 24 uc signifies a time where things return to normal of their own. It does sound like allergy/asthma situation. Does he go out? 24 is a situation where noone goes anywhere and you asked what was wrong with your cat so it seems like the lack of fresh air is what is wrong. Hope that helps...

Feel better kitty!
 
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He wants everything return to how it once was - I'd be putting his rug back and see if it makes a difference. - Liss
 

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Poor sick kitty!

As Precision Grace said, 24 can mean things returning to normal on their own - renewal. It can be hard to tell with unchanging hexagrams. But in this case, the answer might (might) be nicely straightforward.

From Hilary's book:

Oracle
‘Returning, creating success.
Going out, coming in, without anxiety.
Partners come, not a mistake.
Turning around and returning on your path.
The seventh day comes, you return.
Fruitful to have a direction to go.’

"Going out, coming in, without anxiety" :D! It might be that Yi is saying not to worry - Andy being outside in his crate didn't hurt him, and coming back inside where the work was done also didn't hurt him.

"Partners come" - you took Andy to the vet, the vet gave him medicine but didn't find anything scary-wrong with him, you know he doesn't have a fever, etc.

"Turning around and returning on your path. The seventh day comes, you return" - this will have to run its course (the "path"), and maybe after seven days (maybe literally? :D) he'll be all better. (It's been five days so far, right?)

Sometimes when we people have a cold, it can take a while to fully clear up, and we feel pretty listless, too. I agree that extreme listlessness is probably unusual, both in humans and cats (I mean, when I have a cold, I certainly don't feel well, but I usually don't feel totally sapped.) However, just because a reaction isn't strictly typical doesn't mean it's horribly bad.

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'Thunder dwelling in the centre of the earth. Returning.
The ancient kings closed the borders at winter solstice.
Itinerant merchants did not travel,
The prince did not tour the regions.’


I think this just means to accept what is happening, and let it be until it "returns" or "renews" on its own. Going by Hilary's commentary ("The ancient kings cared for their people as the earth covers a dormant seed. They contained people’s impulse to rush out and resume business as usual, so that the energy for growth would not be squandered in the depths of winter."), I think this means that in ancient times before snowplows and weather radar, when winter came people generally didn't try to go anywhere. They did what the situation called for and stayed sensibly at home until spring. They declared snow days (or snow weeks or snow months, I suppose). Maybe in this case, it might mean that if Andy feels listless, it's okay to let him do what he naturally wants to do - nothing. Again, this might be unusual - we're told that cats (animals in general) try very hard to avoid showing signs of weakness, and so a listless cat is a very scary sight. But I think the reading might mean that it's okay in this case.

Going by the reading, if it was me I think I'd give it 7 or 8 days, and if he shows no signs of improvement by then, then consider taking him back to the vet (24 can also mean "turn back.") (If he gets obviously worse, on the other hand, then you might want to call the vet and see what they say. But going by the reading, I think it would be surprising if he gets worse instead of better.)

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[Edited to add - yes, what Liss said. Cats are creatures of habit. It can't hurt to replace the rug and see. One time with one of my cats, I merely rearranged her blanket and she wouldn't sleep on it for several days (but then she went back to it). Is it too late to recover his rug from the garbage and just wash it, instead of throwing it away? If it is too late - and if his mood is because he misses his rug - he'll get over it. I don't think cats have long memories for things like that, the way people might. Mother cats are absolutely frantic if someone takes their kittens away, but before too long they snap out of it. Human mothers would carry that trauma to their graves. Animals aren't the same (blessedly for them).]
 
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http://www.best-cat-art.com/cat-sneezing.html
Common Causes of Cat Sneezing

You might go through the list and see what's relevant. Spent two hours at the vet's this morning. Patient is now asleep in my lap with a claw hooked into my shirt to stop me from moving her from her favorite sleeping place.
 

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Lack of fresh air...

24 is a situation where noone goes anywhere and you asked what was wrong with your cat so it seems like the lack of fresh air is what is wrong

precision grace, that may be the cause of depression-like listlessness. Andy used to go out a lot, now only for a couple of minutes at a time because a nasty cat moved into the neighborhood and absolutely terrorizes Andy. A lover, not a fighter, Andy runs inside. Even if I'm outside with him, Andy runs back home. And now, at the end of winter, he no doubt yearns to play out in the grass and sunshine. I'll have to make a greater effort to take him out. Again. And again. Hopefully his confidence will return.
 

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A new rug

Thanks Goddessliss, I know you are right. He hates to have his routine interrupted, and I'm usually careful to do things for him on time and in certain places. We have a combing table and he jumps up to be combed in the mornings. Then at 3 we have kittie cocktail hour, with catnip and treats on his rug. So a new rug is on the way, no later than tomorrow. I'm hoping that will restore some of his joie de vivre.
 

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For better or for worse

I think I'd give it 7 or 8 days, and if he shows no signs of improvement by then, then consider taking him back to the vet (24 can also mean "turn back.") (If he gets obviously worse, on the other hand, then you might want to call the vet and see what they say. But going by the reading, I think it would be surprising if he gets worse instead of better.)

Thanks so much for your detailed (not de-tailed:eek:) response, Lisa. Amazing how well Hillary's book describes the situation. Andy is not getting better, but not getting worse either.

I asked the I Ching a couple of days ago "what will the medicine do to Andy" and got 18.2.3.4 .

Amazingly, the particular online version I used, ichingonline.net, said that line 4 is "Tolerating the malpractices of the father will lead the son to ruin." I hadn't liked the vet very much and had no clue why she gave him antibiotics since he had no fever. So I administer these things with trepidation.
 

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pocossin, so glad your patient is sleeping peacefully. AndyMan has never been a cuddlier; but he does sleep with me at night, which he resumed last night after hanging out in the back of the closet for days. Guess he is feeling a little better. Sneezing less, but still seems very listless.

I checked your link to sneezing causes and I think he may have been overwhelmed by chemicals used in the apartment and possibly has a virus of some kind. I'm giving him until Monday or maybe Tuesday to get better or to go back to the vet.
 

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Thx to precision grace, lisa, pocossin, goddessliss

You were all amazingly correct. This is the 8th day since Andy got sick. He's fine:)

Still sneezing a bit but eating like a horse, dashing around the apartment, back to his old bossy male cat self. Even insisted on going outside for 20 minutes, sniffing bushes, digging in the dirt, running around the yard. Made my heart smile.

I asked this morning before letting him out: "Please give me a picture of my cat's condition." 28.1.2.3.5 > 51

Sounds a bit dire but I think it's OK. Got a laugh from rosada's definition on the Memorizing thread of 28:
"OMG I gotta get off my butt and do something or I'll die."

Lise's 28.1 is great…
For the offering mat use white cogon grass (Mao-grass). Without fault.
Every action deserves the attention and care one would use when sacrificing. Most actions are irreversible, once done there is no way back. So do everything as if your life is at stake – because it is.


That white rug, or the little rug I serve catnip and "Party Mix" treats on MUST be replaced immediately. Liss was entirely correct about that.

Also liked Lise's take on 28.3
The ridgepole is sagging. Pitfall.
If you believe you are weak or old or failing, then you will make it true. These are not feelings of real life, they are just negative ideas. Can a dog ‘think’ he is old? His limbs may be stiff, but his mind is Now, today, what he is doing right now. In his mind is no ‘himself’ to think about.


Clearly, even with the sneezing, Andy doesn't think he's sick now, so who am I to disagree?

28.5 According to Bradford, who wrote the greatest 28.5 I've ever seen:

The withered poplar* bears flowers
An older lady finds herself a young gentleman to marry No blame, no praise….
Good for our lovely, plucky old lady! With wrinkle goop and war paint, and some would say not enough else, she goes on the hunt and brings home a healthy, young buck…. In great times life knows its allies, sometimes by warmth. The value of such an arrangement is not so commonly known, but its worth is clear to those so arranged. Why even care what a gossip will think? How could this last? Can it be more than one final fling if the flower saps the tree’s strength and renewal is not from the roots? A last hurrah or maybe hooray! Why not ask this one instead: Who dares to measure the time? And is the eternal really all that it’s rumored to be?

I worried when I got Andy from the shelter that he was too much cat for an old (lovely plucky) woman like me, but if I hadn't taken him that day, he was headed to the ovens. So we have accommodated each other. I do have to allow him to "cat around" all he wants…actually wish he'd go out to play more often.

Anyway, I will get him a new rug (white mat), will stop shoving needless antibiotics at him, most of which never went down his throat, and will find a vet who does kittie acupuncture, which I think is a healthier option for most conditions.

Thanks to all who wished Andy well. We both thank you from our hearts.
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back to his old bossy male cat self

If I said that about a female, Hilary or a moderator would be on me for political incorrectness, and I am as political incorrect as I can be. Actually, you do not know domination until you have a dominant female cat who inforces her views with teeth and claw. I am now recovering from a bite and scratch from presuming to unhook her paw from my shirt.

Please give me a picture of my cat's condition.
28.1.2.3.5 > 51


Decrepit changes to energetic. Andy is back on track.
 

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pocossin:
Good on you for politically incorrect incorrectness. It's such malarky.

My two female cats were absolute angels, sweetie pies, love cats. My three males have been insistent, pushy, Type A guys who loved to cuddle when no one was looking. Maybe that says something about you and me….who we'll let push us around:rofl::rofl::rofl:

Thanks for the succinct comment: Decrepit changes to energetic. Andy is back on track.

Exactly, thank Bastet and the other cat gods, whoever they may be.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d9/Bastet.svg
 

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