Where is my cell phone? 36.

[Nata_liV]

Hello, everyone, I've got a lost item question.
When I returned home after work today it turned out my cell was missing from the purse. I asked the Yi “Where is my phone?” The answer was 36. At first I thought pessimistically that the Yi won't answer, or the cell was in some dark place. As I got home, it turned out my purse was unzipped on my way from the grocery store, so I assumed I might have lost it. Then I asked for clarification and got 9.1.2.3>20. Hex 9 always puzzles me. In general, I have 2 ideas: I lost it somewhere in the street (then it’s most likely gone forever) or I simply forgot to put it into the purse and it’s still on my desk at the office, and I can’t check now, everyone is gone and it’s closed. It also occurred to me that hex 36 looks very much like a purse, actually it looks exactly like mine, the same shape. Do you think the Yi was shouting at me something about my purse? And also any thoughts about 9>20 are most welcome.

 

[1eleven]

Hi,
What color is your purse? Were you laying with blankets? Check within the blankets/comforters - also, bright colors (red, yellow, orange, purple) which is why I asked what is the color of your purse. I've only looked at hex 36. Let me know and I can follow up further. School, bank, library, kitchen also come to mind but are tough to determine without more info. Good luck!

 

[Nata_liV]

Wow, thanks, 1 eleven, my purse is deep red-brown with orange handles. And actually, the room where I have my desk is also considered a common kitchen at the office and a library is next to it. Well, tomorrow I’m going to call to the office, there will be people there working at the weekend, so I guess tomorrow it’ll be clear. Are you watching me ?

 

[Tohpol]

36 - Hiding somewhere. The H.9 might be suggesting to carefully retrace your steps and re-visit everywhere you went today...

It's very annoying when that happens, lost a few mobiles in my time.

Good luck.

 

[1eleven]

Wow, thanks, 1 eleven, my purse is deep red-brown with orange handles. And actually, the room where I have my desk is also considered a common kitchen at the office and a library is next to it. Well, tomorrow I’m going to call to the office, there will be people there working at the weekend, so I guess tomorrow it’ll be clear. Are you watching me ?

I'll never tell

 

[blue_angel]

I'm thinking it's either in your vehicle or whatever vehicle you took for transportation. But perhaps under the seat. OR it was in the grocery cart, if you used one, and now may be in the drawer. Perhaps at the customer service desk.

 

[pocossin]

When I returned home after work today it turned out my cell was missing from the purse.

I think you left it at work. Kun = service = work. And Li is like a cell.

 

[Liselle]

36 can mean "wounding," or protecting something by hiding it or pretending to hide it (the story of Prince Ji pretending to be insane to safeguard himself).

So...more guesses: did you put it somewhere to keep it out of harm's way, even if it was only meant to be a temporary spot? Or did you have to put it away because it wasn't appropriate to be using it somewhere, for some reason?

(For the latter, I'm thinking of things like here in the United States, it's illegal in a lot of places to talk on your cell phone while driving, so someone might put a phone down hurriedly in the car so no one would see them using it (and then it could slide someplace odd in the car). Or, if it would ring while you're somewhere like the library, or church, where it's inappropriate to use it, you might silence it and quickly stash it somewhere just to get it hidden. Things like that, sort of?)

 

[Liselle]

9 > 20 could mean look (hex 20) at some small detail (hex 9)?

Or, if 20 means an overview, looking over something -- over-looking -- it might mean you're "overlooking" some small detail. That is, maybe there's something you're forgetting about? (That is probably a reach. I like Topal's suggestion that hexagram 9 is saying to retrace your steps (especially lines 1 and 2).)

 

[Nata_liV]

An update

Hi, everyone, thank you very much for so many replies.
An update – I’ve just called to the office, my cell is lying peacefully at my desk among the papers I’ve been working with (1eleven, the “blankets”???). The thing was retracing my steps was that I actually went back to see if it was lying on the ground somewhere on the way from the store. But I could not remember if I actually put it into the purse or not, got distracted in the process of shutting down the computer, I guess.
But the message of 36 for me personally was unclear, because I couldn't have possibly have immediate associations with trigrams, as Pocossin described, I guess the Yi knew I would ask here :bows:.
Anyway, it’s found now, and thanks again (too bad I have no "thank you" button).

 

[Liselle]

Nata_liV, thank you so much for updating! It's really helpful when people come back and record what happened .

1eleven - could you tell us what gave you the idea of blankets in hexagram 36? That seems to be the closest anyone got to the correct answer (plus Pocossin got the idea of Nata_liV's workplace from the Kun trigram meaning service, but that concept is at least available if a person thinks to look up the meanings of Kun).

got distracted in the process of shutting down the computer, I guess.

The only other thing that seems even slightly relevant is that part, along with the Image:

"Brightness enters the earth's centre: Brightness Hidden.
A noble one, overseeing the crowds, uses darkness and light." (from Hilary Barrett's book)

When you shut down a computer, you "darken" something that was "bright" (the monitor).

 

[Nata_liV]

Hi, lisa.

The only other thing that seems even slightly relevant is that part, along with the Image:

"Brightness enters the earth's centre: Brightness Hidden.
A noble one, overseeing the crowds, uses darkness and light." (from Hilary Barrett's book)

When you shut down a computer, you "darken" something that was "bright" (the monitor).

Yes, it seems so obvious now, although I read it in several translations yesterday, it didn't occur to me.
Well, we learn as long as we live :bows:.

 

[Liselle]

Yes, it seems so obvious now,

Well...maybe with a really (really) generous definition of "obvious"...

 

[1eleven]

Nata_liV, thanks for the update - very happy to hear you found your phone!

Lisa, when looking for lost objects I only look at the trigrams - maybe a line here and there if there's movement. First, I look at how they react (without a moving line the base trigram is the 'subject'). In this instance I noted the phone will be found after a delay. Once I looked at that I look further into the trigrams/elements. Fire can represent something bright, or displayed. Could also be documents. Middle daughter, woman in her 30's, beautiful lady, etc. I asked about the color of the purse bc I wanted to know if I needed to rule that out if there was too much of a focus on that. The library, office, etc was also derived from this. Fire can be seen as "empty" room. Blending that with Earth - Earth can represent something 'soft' or forgiving... blankets, garments, clothes, paper, newspaper, etc. Looking back, this all makes perfect sense. Usually when I set up these castings it's helpful to have a moving line for more clarity and direction. It looks like in this case the entire hexagram and combo of trigrams described the overall picture. Just curious, Nata_liV, does your phone have a soft case, color? It could just be 'display' of the screen as fire. Sorry if this is a little bit of a ramble - it's a bit systematic and a bit intuitive so I go with what comes up based on what info I have at that moment.

I hope this helps!

 

[Nata_liV]

Just curious, Nata_liV, does your phone have a soft case, color? It could just be 'display' of the screen as fire. Sorry if this is a little bit of a ramble - it's a bit systematic and a bit intuitive so I go with what comes up based on what info I have at that moment.

1eleven, I believe it's always more intuition than anything else. But I guess, I think so because I'm just not experienced enough. For your curiosity, my phone has no case, it's white with a metal back cover. And it's OK to rumble, as I've just found in the archives, when I reach my 11's post the magic "thank you" button has to appear (or not, because I'm using Opera).

 

[1eleven]

Correct, intuition is key - systematic is more about the approach to derive my hexagrams, trigrams, etc. In this case, you did that for me Thanks again for the update - it's always nice to get feedback.

 

[Liselle]

Thank you for the explanation, 1eleven. Unfortunately, I know almost nothing about trigrams, and I'm still confused .

In this instance I noted the phone will be found after a delay.

Where did the idea of "delay" come from? The Kun trigram? Li? Hexagram 36 itself?

Once I looked at that I look further into the trigrams/elements. Fire can represent something bright, or displayed.

Yes, I could see that representing the computer monitor she was turning off.

The library, office, etc was also derived from this. Fire can be seen as "empty" room.

I can see an office which is closed for the day and vacated being an "empty room," but how did you get that from the Fire trigram? I mean, if someone showed me the trigram Kun, and the trigram Li, and asked me to pick which one I thought was more likely to represent an empty room, I'd pick Kun. "The Receptive" sounds more "empty" to me than "Fire" does.

Again, I know nothing about trigrams, and maybe Fire = empty room is a well-known association. Could you point me to some reference? The Wikipedia article about the Bagua, here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bagua

doesn't mention "empty room" with Li, but there may be some other reference?

Blending that with Earth - Earth can represent something 'soft' or forgiving... blankets, garments, clothes, paper, newspaper, etc.

I can see that .

Sorry to ask so many questions...as I said, trigrams are an area I'm really clueless about...

 

[1eleven]

Where did the idea of "delay" come from? The Kun trigram? Li? Hexagram 36 itself?

The interaction of the 5 elements. Earth exhausts Fire.

Yes, I could see that representing the computer monitor she was turning off.

Or, the display of the phone itself.

I can see an office which is closed for the day and vacated being an "empty room," but how did you get that from the Fire trigram? I mean, if someone showed me the trigram Kun, and the trigram Li, and asked me to pick which one I thought was more likely to represent an empty room, I'd pick Kun. "The Receptive" sounds more "empty" to me than "Fire" does.

Again, I know nothing about trigrams, and maybe Fire = empty room is a well-known association. Could you point me to some reference? The Wikipedia article about the Bagua, here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bagua

doesn't mention "empty room" with Li, but there may be some other reference?

The Li trigram is 'empty' inside, visually. Think 'fireplace' - it's contained somewhat and empty in the center.

 

[Liselle]

The Li trigram is 'empty' inside, visually. Think 'fireplace' - it's contained somewhat and empty in the center.

Well...but Li is "fire," not "fireplace." I think of Li as the flame itself, not the container for the flame. Is that wrong?

 

[1eleven]

Look at the actual image of the trigram, not the concept of it. It's empty/open in the middle.

 

[pocossin]

The Li trigram is 'empty' inside, visually. Think 'fireplace' - it's contained somewhat and empty in the center.

The Li trigram is empty to some of us some of the time. Both trigram and cell phone have a rectangular shape. Fire is radiant energy, and a cell phone emits radiant energy (electromagnetic radiation). I think Li is the perfect trigram for a cell phone.

 

[Liselle]

I think Li is the perfect trigram for a cell phone.

Completely agreed. But 1eleven was using it to represent the empty (vacated) office the phone was in, not the phone itself.

I mean, the question was "where is the phone?" We already know it's a phone. We don't need Li to tell us that part; we need it to tell us something else. If the "something else" was "empty room"--- I suppose you're going to say that Li is empty inside etc. etc. and we're right back where we started.

 

[1eleven]

Hi Lisa, did you see my last post about the actual image of the trigram?

 

[Liselle]

We don't need Li to tell us that part; we need it to tell us something else. If the "something else" was "empty room"---

Yes, I did... so you looked at Kun over Li, saw Kun as papers (or blankets) and Li as an empty office, and there was the phone, on top of papers on Nata_LiV's desk in her vacated office building.

 

[pocossin]

I mean, the question was "where is the phone?" We already know it's a phone. We don't need Li to tell us that part

I did. I saw 36 as a picture of the work space with the cell phone in it.

 

[Liselle]

I think I'd really better pay much more attention to trigrams...thanks, 1eleven and Pocossin .