Which realtor? Life changing consequences 41.6 > 19 or 54.1.3 > 32

[Claran]

Hello I Ching Community,

A big decision with huge life changing consequences... your help is much, much appreciated.

Sadly, I am having to sell our organization's property -- a beautiful unique property that had been in development and does not fit into any particular category. There's a make it or break it time crunch. I have met with two realtor teams, very different in style and the approaches with triple the difference in potential sale prices.

First one has a lot more reviews compared to anyone out there, all very good. He thoroughly knows his stuff, bit down on the timing and gave me a figure based on one solid comp. He's going to do a little more digging but his idea of the sale is a narrow and straight path based on one comp and will not get the returns on the investment. He really dug into the time crunch seeking details for exact timing. He's a rough and tough kind of a realtor.

The second team also has stellar reviews although not as many, and they market in different areas than the first, but their reviews are exactly what the property needs, creative, getting unique properties sold. They discussed the different marketing approaches and the communities they know that they will market to, which was exactly how I had seen the property as well as suitable markets. Their approach will triple the valuation, they really seem to know their stuff as well. Their style is glamorous. Both teams came very prepared in different ways, second was more polished, had already sent emails to the city, and planning a visit (while the first one asked me to go myself because he couldn't go sooner than he wished which I did not feel comfortable doing.)

The question for both realtor teams was, "What are the consequences going with X / Y for the sale of the property?"

First person is 41.6 > 19
41 Compensating Sacrifice, line 6:
Legge: The sixth line, dynamic, shows its subject giving increase to others without taking from himself. There will be no error. With firm correctness there will be good fortune. There will be advantage in every movement that shall be made. He will find ministers more than can be counted by their clans.

With 19, it appears that the sale would be imminent. Again, timing is very important.

Second team: 54.1.3. > 32
Judgment: Propriety indicates that action will be evil, and in no wise advantageous.
Line 1:
Legge: The first line, dynamic, shows the young woman married off in a position ancillary to the real wife. It suggests the idea of a person lame in one leg who yet manages to tramp along. Going forward will be fortunate.
Line 3: ,
Legge: Line 3, magnetic, shows the young woman who was to be married off in a mean position. She returns and accepts an ancillary position.

But 32? Long enduring?

This reading seems to indicate that the first realtor will get the sale done quickly and do it well. I am not sure how he would do so, he was negative about all the possible approaches that would showcase the uniqueness of the property and its market reach into important popular industries and the valuation was very low. The second team is who I truly want, they appreciated the markets I was considering and the uniqueness of the property and the two partners in the team that came had already discussed the various approaches they would make. The difference in potential valuation is immense. The risk is of course bigger given the time crunch, but I want to believe that they can get it done on time because they are so good. The reading does not seem to indicate this for the second team and is urging me to go with the first realtor? Or that the second team will end up going the same route as the first one for fast sale? Oh no!

I would very much appreciate your help, night and day, survival or prosper with future of rebuilding consequences, thank you in advance.

 

[diamant]

What are the consequences going with X / Y for the sale of the property?
41.6 > 19
It will appear it's going well, and that something lasting (home/family) has been found. However, it will not be lasting - a 'home' is not obtained, only ministers/officials/servants (whatever this may mean here). Resulting 19 shows that in a few months there will be trouble.

What are the consequences going with X / Y for the sale of the property?
54.1.3. > 32
They'll have difficulties in completing the task, but they'll take some small lame steps nevertheless. They'll end up completing a deal (32), however it will be a lesser deal than what you're hoping for (54.3).

I don't know anything about such issues, but if this was my dilemma, I wouldn't go with any of the two teams involved, I'd try to find another. Saying that, if I absolutely had to choose between the two, I'd go with the 54>32 team.

 

[Topher]

What are the consequences going with X / Y for the sale of the property?
41.6 > 19
It will appear it's going well, and that something lasting (home/family) has been found. However, it will not be lasting - a 'home' is not obtained, only ministers/officials/servants (whatever this may mean here). Resulting 19 shows that in a few months there will be trouble.

What are the consequences going with X / Y for the sale of the property?
54.1.3. > 32
They'll have difficulties in completing the task, but they'll take some small lame steps nevertheless. They'll end up completing a deal (32), however it will be a lesser deal than what you're hoping for (54.3).

I don't know anything about such issues, but if this was my dilemma, I wouldn't go with any of the two teams involved, I'd try to find another. Saying that, if I absolutely had to choose between the two, I'd go with the 54>32 team.

Well in 41.6 someone is benefited it is the best of both hexgarams sometimes 19 isnt totally bad (of course if the benefit goes for the OP) but assuming then it is not OP then 54.1.3 looks it will taken as a second option but depends on what is the duration described in 32?

 

[Claran]

Well in 41.6 someone is benefited it is the best of both hexgarams sometimes 19 isnt totally bad (of course if the benefit goes for the OP) but assuming then it is not OP then 54.1.3 looks it will taken as a second option but depends on what is the duration described in 32?

What are the consequences going with X / Y for the sale of the property?
41.6 > 19
It will appear it's going well, and that something lasting (home/family) has been found. However, it will not be lasting - a 'home' is not obtained, only ministers/officials/servants (whatever this may mean here). Resulting 19 shows that in a few months there will be trouble.

What are the consequences going with X / Y for the sale of the property?
54.1.3. > 32
They'll have difficulties in completing the task, but they'll take some small lame steps nevertheless. They'll end up completing a deal (32), however it will be a lesser deal than what you're hoping for (54.3).

I don't know anything about such issues, but if this was my dilemma, I wouldn't go with any of the two teams involved, I'd try to find another. Saying that, if I absolutely had to choose between the two, I'd go with the 54>32 team.

Thank you so much for the responses! For some reason, I am not getting notifications of the replies in my email, must be doing something wrong, was afraid I had offended and that no one was responding Thank you Topher and Diamant!

I'm very, very worried as the decision has to be made immediately and have not been able to make sense of the heads or tails, the readings and interpretations do not seem to be very clear? So now I am starting to re-cast. I don't even know how I would start to find another team, afraid of the delays caused by that, they were the most qualified in their respective specialty areas.

I cast the same questions this morning with the following results, could we try once again with the fact that now I asking the same questions?

For Team A, the 41.6 team above, this time, I got 18.6 > 46
For Team B, the 54.1.3. team, this time I got 2 unchanging!

18.6 makes no sense in this context, unless it means that it won't be profit at issue but having a peace of mind for a potential quick sale?

2 unchanging my understanding was that it's a "yes"?

Thank you in advance for the help again...!!!

 

[Claran]

Diamant, on 54.3 and Team B, I don't mind taking a lesser deal, they are going to start really high is the strategy.

For 41.6, it looks like the sale will fall through -- his approach is to sell it as a residence, which will bring much less but hopefully quicker. I was willing to consider this, but if it falls through, then the consequences will be I will lose it altogether.

 

[Claran]

Topher, I think the ministers/officials/servants may mean the bank, which could foreclose if this is not done quickly.

I pushed it to the precipice, trying to save it in somehow, now it's in this critical condition...

 

[diamant]

Claran to me it's not good practice to ask the exact same questions, just on a different day. So I won't attempt an interpretation. If your original readings were mine, I'd go with team B.

 

[legume]

do both realtors take the same fee, is it flat fee or percentage? if one takes a % i'd go with that, unless it's too high, but that at least ensures they also want to sell it at higher price and will work harder to make it happen, i guess. 41.6 looks favourable here to me but yes, the timing seems to be key here. with 18.6 i wonder if they might not want to serve you the way you wish, they'd rather advertise it as they see fit and after long decision making maybe are also withdrawing from cooperating with you, so there's also advise to work on what's been spoiled, possibly communication-wise, if you want to continue with them. maybe the advise is to get "escape clause"? i'm no expert on the matter though. with 54.1.3 i think it could go well, though it would probably be settling for less. but not sure how well does 32 bode for making a quick sale... then 2 looks like you'd be happy or willing to accept it or someone will accept the offer.

 

[Claran]

Aye, figured out why I am not receiving notifications -- it wasn't turned on.

do both realtors take the same fee, is it flat fee or percentage? if one takes a % i'd go with that, unless it's too high, but that at least ensures they also want to sell it at higher price and will work harder to make it happen, i guess. 41.6 looks favourable here to me but yes, the timing seems to be key here. with 18.6 i wonder if they might not want to serve you the way you wish, they'd rather advertise it as they see fit and after long decision making maybe are also withdrawing from cooperating with you, so there's also advise to work on what's been spoiled, possibly communication-wise, if you want to continue with them. maybe the advise is to get "escape clause"? i'm no expert on the matter though. with 54.1.3 i think it could go well, though it would probably be settling for less. but not sure how well does 32 bode for making a quick sale... then 2 looks like you'd be happy or willing to accept it or someone will accept the offer.

Yes, the fees will be the same. However, the practice of dual agency is rampant where they represent both the purchaser and the seller. With Team A, I was thinking that the 41.6 and 18.6 issues may represent the implication of this scenario. The Team A realtor was the first realtor I spoke to and wasn't as careful as I should be, he got to the nitty gritty of exactly where things wer as to how soon the bank may foreclose. With this knowledge, if he represented a purchaser, he would know how fast the clock is ticking and it'll be a matter of just waiting out until I buckle. Unethical, yes, but since he's everywhere and well known, the potential purchasers coming to him is high as well. There isn't really time for changing realtors -- it needs to be listed, then sold immediately -- no room for things to break down and starting with someone else.

Much thanks Legume and Diamant once again, even just the supportive attention is lifting my spirits. So far, I think it's Team B who understandably won't be able to showcase their creative marketing skills and getting unique properties sold, which they say is their specialty because of the time crunch....

Big bows and hugs,
Claran

 

[Claran]

Hello, an update and a new casting to follow up, no decision still.

Team B came up with a listing price. No discussion, just an email. Very different from Team A, which had gone extensively on the basis of the lower price point frame of mind -- we are to speak tomorrow.

I asked Yi, "What would be the outcome if we listed the property at XB price? 32.3.4 > 7

LiSe on 32: The noble one stands and does not change his bearings.
Line 3: No steadiness in one's character. One might present a sheep offering. Divination: distress.
Line 4: Fields without wildfowl.

Not looking good. I find it interesting that the discussion seems to be in terms of character? Team B had said it would report the findings of its research today, instead they sent the number and contract.

Sigh. I wish it wasn't so agonizing -- the number is good, but if no game, and the number was part of a strategic move to get the contract, then we are in trouble with Team B?

Please help.

Claran

 

[diamant]

If team A are planning to sell it as a residence, then 41.6 says they'll fail in that.

When you received 2 unchanging, it can't mean 'no', because the question you asked wasn't a yes/no question, it was 'what consequences' (when you do ask yes/no questions, 2 does mean no).

What would be the outcome if we listed the property at XB price? 32.3.4 > 7
Unfortunately I agree with your interpretation of this. XB price won't have the result you want, instead it will lead to a battle.

May I suggest two more questions?
- Is there anything I can do to have a successful outcome with team B?
- What's the best action for me to do regarding the sale of this property?

 

[Topher]

I think iching's 32.3.4 is referring to the 54.1.3> 32 (even though it wasnt the implied line) it is telling you rthe specific, 41.6 talks about someone benefiting someone over their own needs. if you are the one being benefited take it. otherwise ask the iching,
should I look for a different realtor? (assuming you can)
there could be some other realtor out of there but still I think 41.6 is better deal if the one bieng benefitted is you

 

[Claran]

I think iching's 32.3.4 is referring to the 54.1.3> 32 (even though it wasnt the implied line) it is telling you rthe specific, 41.6 talks about someone benefiting someone over their own needs. if you are the one being benefited take it. otherwise ask the iching,
should I look for a different realtor? (assuming you can)
there could be some other realtor out of there but still I think 41.6 is better deal if the one bieng benefitted is you

If team A are planning to sell it as a residence, then 41.6 says they'll fail in that.

When you received 2 unchanging, it can't mean 'no', because the question you asked wasn't a yes/no question, it was 'what consequences' (when you do ask yes/no questions, 2 does mean no).

What would be the outcome if we listed the property at XB price? 32.3.4 > 7
Unfortunately I agree with your interpretation of this. XB price won't have the result you want, instead it will lead to a battle.

May I suggest two more questions?
- Is there anything I can do to have a successful outcome with team B?
- What's the best action for me to do regarding the sale of this property?

Thank you Diamant -- I asked the questions you suggested:

1. Is there anything I can do to have a successful outcome with team B?
31.4 > 39

Line 4 of LiSe: divination auspicious. Regrets disappear. Unsettled, going, coming. Friends comply with your thoughts.

I think this is saying I need to specify what I know about what team A is doing actually in this as he is more detailed and is going after details that will get the number to a precision. However, this means that it deprives team B of their advantage in getting the contract and there's no reason for going with them -- they'll bring the number down ("comply with your thoughts"). I'll have to drive the deal, using their polished marketing front. They are not being very upfront about things, still have not responded to my email regarding the basis of their valuation, which makes me very hesitant.

2. What's the best action for me to do regarding the sale of this property?
47.5.6 > 64
Line 4: Nose cutting, foot cutting. Confined by Red Sashes. Then gently there is escape. Make use of offerings.
Line 5:Tied to creepers and vines, to unsteadiness and anxiousness. Says moving causes regret. Have regret. Effectuate that things be set right: auspicious.

I'm not seeing the universe of options limited by my own notions ....? Confined by Red Sashes -- my notions of the exalted???? There's still a perspective (besides with the realtors?) that needs to be explored? I've begun talking to a relative this morning who brings in new possibilites of interest from parallel universes. She's hesitant and cautious and committed elsewhere with limited resources but a little window of potential opened ... but as time is of the essence, not sure if this is an area I can afford to look into.

Thank you once again Diamant, it's dry boring stuff here we are shoveling....

 

[Claran]

I think iching's 32.3.4 is referring to the 54.1.3> 32 (even though it wasnt the implied line) it is telling you rthe specific, 41.6 talks about someone benefiting someone over their own needs. if you are the one being benefited take it. otherwise ask the iching,
should I look for a different realtor? (assuming you can)
there could be some other realtor out of there but still I think 41.6 is better deal if the one bieng benefitted is you

That makes sense Topher that 32.3.4 is referring to 54.1.3 >32. You were wondering what 32 was referring to before.... I asked the question that you suggested whether I should look for a different realtor (as reluctant as I am because of the time crunch), and got:

15.3.4 > 16! I think this is a yes, I have to keep searching. Sigh.

Line 3: Encouraging respect. A noble one brings to completion. Auspicious
Line 4: Nothing that does not bear fruit when moving with respect.

But why is this about respect...?

So keep searching?????? Do I have enough time?

Thank you, thank you. ::bows::

 

[diamant]

It's not dry and boring, I just wish I knew more about property selling. Anyway!

Is there anything I can do to have a successful outcome with team B?
31.4 > 39
I'm afraid not much you can do. There's a lot of stress and sudden changes in the line, resulting 39 is a road-block ahead.

What's the best action for me to do regarding the sale of this property?
47.5.6 > 64
Strange answer. 47.5 says you're trapped by all sides, things are truly going bad. Someone in an official position is causing this. There is a solution - at some point soon you'll see a chance to get away from this 'prison'. But you'll feel so disheartened and stressed that you won't be able to break free.
So, what's the best thing to do: you need to find out which element in the whole story makes you feel like a prisoner - which element makes you (wrongly) believe that there is no hope/solution. And once you find what that is, then you must realise it fully, and act to get cut off, so to speak, from it. I'm hoping this description rings some bells for you. Line 47.6 says that if you hesitate to break free then you'll fail - so keep that detail in mind.

whether I should look for a different realtor
15.3.4 > 16
Make a clear conclusion/ending, get to work straight away, and get things going enthusiastically.
It sounds like a yes to me too.

 

[Claran]

Thank you Diamant.... it has been 47.5 all the way and thoroughly and unremittingly so, and it makes sense that may not be able to break through in time. It's a beautiful, beautiful dream with so much potential, seeing it wither away, and readying myself now to have it plundered.... I don't know how to do 16 and find the strength to face more of what has been every instance a deadend and a rejection. The once every 100 years plague -- was the worst possible for what we set up to do squeezing the last of resources after abuse and obstructions sapped what began bountifully. It was an altruistic quest, not even about making money. Sigh.

I went back to Team A and asked, "Is there anything I can do to have a successful outcome with Team A?" and received:
Hexagram 50.3.6 > 40
Line 3: The vessel is stripped of its ears. One's moving is blocked. The juice of the pheasant is not eaten. Rain in the region makes regret pass away. In the end auspicious.
Line 6: The vessel has jade rings. Great auspiciousness. Nothing that does not bear fruit.

Hmm. I'm even more confused now. Could 41.6 could refer to the fact that he has information he could use against me if he ends up as a dual agent representing also a purchaser since he got to the precision how much time I have and he could push me to accept a lower than possible price? But that I could talk to him about this and prevent it from happening? Is he the 47.6 escape being offered, which I cannot trust because of the 47-ness that has been my prison? He was supposed to call me today after finding more details, I should have reassured him with a text to go ahead and make the visit to the city, but I have not because I have to come up with a precautionary measure and appropriate defense, all of which is just too much for me to handle. I'm still hoping that perhaps there is a compatible spirit who can come in as a partner and save this beautiful potential.... But who in authority is is blocking to begin with?

 

[Claran]

Also, I had asked about the outlook for a partnership with my relative on this and received 50 UC. 50 has suprisingly not been very positive for me lately.

 

[Claran]

Goodness! 18.2.4 > 56 three times today, with three different questions -- it does not seem to matter what the question is -- this is a karmic flow I am going against apparently?

 

[Claran]

Now I am worried about what exit I may have missed, and asked, "Is Team A providing me the escape from this situation?" and received:
31.3.4.5 > 2 -- all the yang lines are changing, and Diamant, you mentioned that 2 to a "yes" or "no" question is a "no"?

 

[diamant]

It's a beautiful, beautiful dream with so much potential, seeing it wither away, and readying myself now to have it plundered.... I don't know how to do 16 and find the strength to face more of what has been every instance a deadend and a rejection. The once every 100 years plague -- was the worst possible for what we set up to do squeezing the last of resources after abuse and obstructions sapped what began bountifully. It was an altruistic quest, not even about making money.
That sounds heart-breaking Claran, what a shame. 16 is actually, and usually, about deception. I thought that for a change it might mean enthusiasm in this case, but now, hearing that you're doing this half-heartedly anyway, I'm thinking that 15.3.4 > 16 might mean that any ending and diligent work won't matter as it will all end up in deception. In combination with 47.5, someone in a position of authority is fooling you. Or, seen in another way... stop being straightforward when you're dealing with corrupt people, fool them back.

Is there anything I can do to have a successful outcome with Team A?
50.3.6 > 40
They won't manage to sell this lovely property (50.3).
It will remain beautiful but empty (50.6).
This will actually be a relief to you (?) (40).

outlook for a partnership with my relative on this and received 50 UC
Not good, you need to find another / new solution. A slow new solution.

Goodness! 18.2.4 > 56 three times today, with three different questions -- it does not seem to matter what the question is
18.2 says a lot here. "You cannot divine". You can't guess what the full truth is. A corrupt person has been tolerated for far too long (18.4). 56 shows that there needs to be a departure from this situation, in one way or another. Either the corrupt person goes or you give up and leave.

Is Team A providing me the escape from this situation? and received:
31.3.4.5 > 2 -- all the yang lines are changing, and Diamant, you mentioned that 2 to a "yes" or "no" question is a "no"?
The lines of 31 show that team A don't care at all about you and the situation. So no, they won't provide you with an escape and a solution. 2 (usually) means 'no' in yes/no questions when it turns up unchanging.

 

[Claran]

Thanks so much Diamant for spending so much of your time on this .... I have been wondering who this is figure of authority may be that is obstructing because at least in the corporeal world, it's not the situation anymore? Also, could you explain your analysis with 50 UC and 50.3.6? They seem like favorable readings?

with much gratitude, ::bows::

 

[Topher]

why are you thinking about problems you havent faced? anyway if if it weas 18UC there might be more information about your issue

 

[Claran]

Hello Topher, I was referring to what Diamant was saying about a person in authority who may be obstructing this whole process and asking her to clarify, as there is none right now. What do you mean 18 UC? I did not receive that casting? Sorry, there's been so many castings on this by now, the thread maybe getting befuddling!

 

[Topher]

Goodness! 18.2.4 > 56 three times today, with three different questions -

I think 18main line says there might be more useful information in 3 days but of course that is for 18UC, here the advice is one that will make you roam for a solution

 

[Claran]

I'm meeting with an acquaintance who is a realtor, someone I feel confident can trust, less concerned about price or specialty now. Will do some castings and report on results!

Thank you very much everyone.... ::bows::

 

[diamant]

I have been wondering who this is figure of authority may be that is obstructing because at least in the corporeal world, it's not the situation anymore?
There's no way for me to know this.
And you can't guess it either (18.2, you cannot divine).

Also, could you explain your analysis with 50 UC and 50.3.6?
Line 50.3 says that there is food, but... it is not eaten. So not a great line.
Line 50.6 shows a beautiful cauldron, but... it's empty. Nothing cooking in it.
50 unchanging shows the need for something brand new to start cooking.

 

[Claran]

I have been wondering who this is figure of authority may be that is obstructing because at least in the corporeal world, it's not the situation anymore?
There's no way for me to know this.
And you can't guess it either (18.2, you cannot divine).

Also, could you explain your analysis with 50 UC and 50.3.6?
Line 50.3 says that there is food, but... it is not eaten. So not a great line.
Line 50.6 shows a beautiful cauldron, but... it's empty. Nothing cooking in it.
50 unchanging shows the need for something brand new to start cooking.

Great news.

I want to thank all of you helping me navigate these readings and coming to the conclusion that neither of these realtors were appropriate. I met with the acquaintance -- there's deep history -- and it's all resolved. 18.2.4, that I'll roam searching for a new solution, and 15.3.4 > 16 -- 16, it turned out to be enthusiasm! She's thoroughly experienced, and has come up with solutions 360 degrees. She embraced me as a sister and with compassion.

It's amazing that this collaborative effort sent me searching and trying to figure out what I might miss that may be the solution, and because of the insights and kindness of this community, a disaster has been averted....

Thank you Diamant, Topher, Legume, my heartfelt gratitude!!!!
Claran

 

[Claran]

Hello friends,

I wanted to update you, unfortunately continuing to be in the mix right now ....
My friend referred me out to a specialist and a new realtor is reviewing the file .... They sound good,

Q: what is the outcome of listing with NR (new realtor)? 38.1.2.6 > 16

Is the state of 38 period of alienation and separation affected by the new realtor,
line 1: lost horse, no blame (the departed realtor)
line 2: meeting the lord in a narrow street (this realtor? fateful meeting?)
line 6: "Legge: The sixth line, dynamic, shows its subject solitary amidst the prevailing disunion. In the subject of the third line, he seems to see a pig bearing on its back a load of mud, or fancies there is a carriage full of ghosts. He first bends his bow against her, and afterwards unbends it, for he discovers that she is not an assailant to injure, but a near relative. Going forward, he shall meet with the genial rain, and there will be good fortune."

Thank you for any insights into this reading, effect of your support in this thread has been enormous. ::bows::