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I asked whether it would be Boris Johnson :

32. 1, 3 to 54

very interesting

1. relates to his ambition to be prime minster -- for "long continuance" though "there will be no advantage in any way" while

3. says he does not maintain his virtue so others will impute blame to him and there will be cause for regret

That indicates, at least, contention but not loss, really.

54 -- indicates some tensions too, I should think.

I am non-partisan. BJ is witty, funny, and smart with rhetorical flair.
 
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I am non-partisan. I've read a lot but I'm not in the UK and do not know quite what to think (though I'm impressed by Boris Johnson in some ways
Well don't be ! Liars aren't that impressive !
 

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I asked whether it would be Boris Johnson :
32. 1, 3 to 54
Tricky

The text gives several bad signs: the lines of hex 32 and the judgment for hex 54. I'd read this as most likely not.

A Wen Wang Gua analysis gives a mixed -and more promising for him- picture, though:
a) The line representing him has attached the relative Official, representing power. Good sign
b) That line is You (metal). June 28th, 2016 is a Si day (fire) and a Wu Month (fire). Pretty bad sign, since fire destroys metal. He is in bad position to win
c) In June 28th, 2016 the void branches are Shen (metal) and You (metal). Therefore, the You line is temporarily uneffective and useless. Bad sign. He is unable to seize any support or opportunity.
d) The line representing him is active and changes into Chou (earth), with relative Asset attached. Earth produces metal, this is a good sign if/when the original line You cease to be void. If he is able to effectively move, he'll get support.
e) The other active line is Chou (earth) with Asset relative attached, changing into Si (fire). This is a pretty good sign
f) The sibbling relative (representing his competitors) is Yin (wood) and it's hidden. It would get out of hide, unless the active line representing him cease to be void; because metal destroys wood preventing the wood to get out of hide.

So, from a WWG perspective, he is most likely uneffective and in bad position to win; he would get a lot of support, especially economic support from wealthy men, though. Whether he would be able to seize that support and get the office would depend on his ability to get out of void: he does has a chance to achieve that, if the election is held in the right timing.

All in all, taking both methods in consideration, I tend to read this as no, unless he could manage to win wealthy people's support; which he may. Too vague for a "prediction", I know. :D
 
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If the question focused specifically on Johnson then I would say the answer is NO.

32.1 tries to achieve too much too soon and fails.
32.3 has behaviour/character/personality that is inconsistent. It lacks direction and it is not reliable.

But then when I asked if the PM will be another possible contender, Theresa May, the answer was 49.1.3.4.5 > 2.
 
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Well don't be ! Liars aren't that impressive !
OK, I will remain non-partisan. I correct my opinion:
I think
BJ is witty, funny, and smart with rhetorical flair.
Like I said, though, I am not close to UK politics. I've followed the Brexit news rather closely but I don't understand the particulars. Which candidate do you favor?
 
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Does the Revolution/Reform theme of 49 work for Theresa May?
Maybe so. And 2 was the resulting hexagram that you received in your other queries about candidates for the US elections, as I recall.

If the question focused specifically on Johnson then I would say the answer is NO.

32.1 tries to achieve too much too soon and fails.
32.3 has behaviour/character/personality that is inconsistent. It lacks direction and it is not reliable.

But then when I asked if the PM will be anot

her possible contender, Theresa May, the answer was 49.1.3.4.5 > 2.
 
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I also think that it will be none of these two.
And there's a new candidate now - Stephen Crabb.
I can't concentrate enough today to cast - anyone else? Mirian?
 
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Hi diamanda,

Here we are, the prospects for Stephen Crabb as an aspiring PM.

Hex 58.4.5 > 19 It sounds to me that Mr Crabb cannot deal well with having power. It might go too quickly to his head and he will be prone to making mistakes, with his judgement capacity being affected. I doesn't look like a successful enterprise!
 

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Does it matter? They're all cut from the same cloth. :deadhorse:

(My turn to be party pooper).

I floated my comment to the Yi and it gave me 7uc which seems to favour some old fart with more experience than the "youngsters"; someone who has political maturity/status...More focus and organisational ability perhaps?
 

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the prospects for Stephen Crabb as an aspiring PM.
Hex 58.4.5 > 19 It sounds to me that Mr Crabb cannot deal well with having power. It might go too quickly to his head and he will be prone to making mistakes, with his judgement capacity being affected. I doesn't look like a successful enterprise!
I'm not sure that power going to someone's head and making them prone to mistakes is a reason to disqualify someone as a PM (on the contrary they all seem to fit that bill). I can see where you're coming from, but the answer sounds different to me.
There are conflicting financial interests and hate between him and others of power but there is also joy (58.4) so maybe he and They will reach some agreement. By doing that, and by wanting to become a leader of Brexit ("stripping"), there will be danger (58.5). 19 shows getting to work to prevent misfortune, so I think he's got a better chance than the other two IF he agrees to conform to everything that is asked from him by those who are truly in power - and I think he might do just that.

Does it matter? They're all cut from the same cloth. :deadhorse:
(My turn to be party pooper).
I floated my comment to the Yi and it gave me 7uc which seems to favour some old fart with more experience than the "youngsters"; someone who has political maturity/status...More focus and organisational ability perhaps?
For sure they're all cut from the same dirty cloth! (otherwise they wouldn't be politicians)
However 7un sounds to me like it does matter which dirty cloth will be in power. As it speaks of unity under a strong leader, and unity in politics is needed to achieve any form of success. As you said, most probably someone with maturity and status (that leaves Boris out lol).
 

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OK, I will remain non-partisan. I correct my opinion:
I think
BJ is witty, funny, and smart with rhetorical flair.
Like I said, though, I am not close to UK politics. I've followed the Brexit news rather closely but I don't understand the particulars. Which candidate do you favor?
Am not really following them, a Tory PM is a Tory PM. Which fart to pick as Topal says. Boris told people the money that would have gone to EU would go to the NHS and some people inexplicably believed that. I don't know how they could believe it since the Tories have done their best to wreck the NHS but some did. After the Brexit win he had the audacity to openly backtrack on that promise that may have led so many to vote out. Being funny and witty isn't relevant in any politician is it ? I mean they aren't there to entertain us.

Whoever it is may not be in long as I would think there needs to be a general election soon. At least there is talk of it.
 

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Nicky Morgan, education secretary is at least outspoken about the dangerous racism Brexit seems to have uncovered in certain parts. I find this so alarming, alarming it has sprung up so quickly, that I do feel it needs to be spoken out against loud and clear.
 

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Boris Johnson: 32.1.3>54. I cannot see any hope for him in this casting.32 he stays the same, the party jester, lacking intellectual integrity > and gets 54 passed over, powerless

32 durability, consistency. The hex promises success but only for someone who is firmly correct, which is not his case.
32.1: Blofeld: To ensure his continuance, he digs a hole for himself. This sort of determination brings misfortune, for he is unable to go anywhere.
32.3 Legge: he does not continuously maintain his virtue. There are those who will impute this to him as a disgrace. However firm he may be, there will be ground for regret.
54 powerless, second best, passed over
 
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Theresa May: 49.1.3.4.5>2 : in her own time she will be believed (49), the relevant people are receptive (2). I think that looks rather auspicious actually, as long as she gets her timing right.

49 metamorphosis, Revolution. Well, the Tory party is undergoing an internal revolution...
49.1 not declaring too soon, waiting for the right time
49.3 still not forcing ahead, getting everyone on board first, many discussions within the party
49.4 she is believed and gets support
49.5 she shows herself to be a leader and gets full endorsement of the party. Possibly even emerges as a credible leader for the country, across parties, in this time of crisis. This line is about getting such spontaneous support that an oracle is uncessecary. It is a glowing line for a politician...TBC.

I should say that I don't know very much about Theresa May and have no opinion about her suitability, this is just a comment on the cast.
 
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However 7un sounds to me like it does matter which dirty cloth will be in power. As it speaks of unity under a strong leader, and unity in politics is needed to achieve any form of success. As you said, most probably someone with maturity and status (that leaves Boris out lol).
Boris is the living proof that maturity doesn't come necessarily with age! I think Hex 7 is spot on, as Britain is screaming for leadership. The two main parties have been taking it in turns for ages and clinging to office by default. So no real leadership has emerged, they are now visibly falling to bits and not fit for the challenges that lie ahead. This is the point hex 7 is raising, the person who is supposed to lead this Army must be well prepared to avoid defeat.
 

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Considering that the referendum results were close, a second referendum does seem to be in order (though it might feel to people like an anti-climax).
This looks pretty bad. There was a bus carrying the message that the NHS would be funded. That's a bold promise to retract on.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3584627/The-Boris-blunder-bus-Boris-Johnson-accused-hypocrisy-kicks-nationwide-Brexit-tour-GERMAN-bus.html


Am not really following them, a Tory PM is a Tory PM. Which fart to pick as Topal says. Boris told people the money that would have gone to EU would go to the NHS and some people inexplicably believed that. I don't know how they could believe it since the Tories have done their best to wreck the NHS but some did. After the Brexit win he had the audacity to openly backtrack on that promise that may have led so many to vote out. Being funny and witty isn't relevant in any politician is it ? I mean they aren't there to entertain us.

Whoever it is may not be in long as I would think there needs to be a general election soon. At least there is talk of it.
 
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7UN: so a key criteria is experience

I just read that many in the Tory party consider Theresa May to be the best candidate because she "has the professionalism and steeliness required to get the deal we need from EU" "everyone knows her competence and experience she has shown as the longest serving Home Secretary in 100 years. It is the toughest job in government after PM and she has dealt with its challenges with immense professionalism" "she had the guts to tell the Tory party they needed to modernise, that is real leadership" "she is steadfast and tough" "in Brussels they know her and respect her" etc...etc..

I didn't know anything about her before this. But the statements paint the picture of someone professional, tough and experienced at negotiating. Does that sound like a 7UN to you?
 
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It is difficult for me to say because I am trying to move away from personal opinion and look into readings just on the basis of hexagrams and lines. So when I asked about Boris Johnson the Yi came up with a picture of a person that is so inconsistent that wouldn't be able to carry this project through. The same applies to Theresa May, I don't know if she is the leader the Yi is talking about (but my first reading about May gave her a good start ahead other contenders so far).
 
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Considering that the referendum results were close, a second referendum does seem to be in order.l[/url]
Well, the referendum had clear regulations beforehand: majority wins. I suppose that if the Remain campaign supported by the Government had won with exactly the same margin nobody would be advocating a re-run. Funny thing Democracy isn't it ? ;)
 

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I like mirian's cast on Theresa May: 49.1.3.4.5>2 and yasmin's read.

She would be, according to the Yi, a step away from rigid ideology, and towards practical reality ~ a true yin revolution in this situation ~ a strong leader who gathers together all the people in the face of breaking apart.

Looks like she's the best candidate for unity, all the way around.
 

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Boris Johnson just announced that he would not be running for PM. According to BBC, of the contenders, Theresa May is the bookies favourite. I ran a couple of other names:

Michael Gove: 23.2> 4. That is a clear response: slashed away. Perhaps because of lack of experience (4)

Liam Fox: 60.1.3.4>28 this is a bit harder to read. Limitations (60) in a context of the Tory party in danger of collapsing (28) Overall I would say no.
60 there are limits, rules, regulations.
1: he is better off not campaigning, staying put is no error.
3. If he fails to restrain himself now, he will not be blamed, but he will regret it
4. his best course of action is accepting the internal rules of the party and its limitations
28. Context of party in danger of collapsing

Edit: I just learned that the nominations closed at noon and of the 5 declared candidates, 2 will be pre selected by the party. Still some way to go with the process, I am now thinking that is what the 60 was all about. Internal process, rules etc... Maybe Liam Fox will not make it past the first cut.

Again, I don't know any of these people, they are just names to me, so I bring no personal opinion. From now on, I think I will just watch as things unfold going forward.
 
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Well, the referendum had clear regulations beforehand: majority wins. I suppose that if the Remain campaign supported by the Government had won with exactly the same margin nobody would be advocating a re-run. Funny thing Democracy isn't it ? ;)
I was thinking exactly the same Mirian, well said.

Boris Johnson just announced that he would not be running for PM. According to BBC, of the contenders, Theresa May is the bookies favourite. I ran a couple of other names:
Michael Gove: 23.2> 4. That is a clear response: slashed away. Perhaps because of lack of experience (4)
Liam Fox: 60.1.3.4>28 this is a bit harder to read. Overall I would say no, perhaps restrictions out of his control.
Yasmin you beat me to it. I just read about Boris and Gove, and cast the following:
Will M.Gove be PM? 10.1.5 > 64, which I read as NO, which agrees with your cast as well.
I haven't heard about Liam Fox, going to look him up - but he sounds like a NO as well.

Maybe it will be Th May after all. Or......

Will there be another candidate, stronger than Th.May?
45:1,2,3,5>34

I read this as there will be tons of turmoil and changes in months ahead in their party.
34 makes me think of a male candidate.
 

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Theresa May: 49.1.3.4.5>2 : in her own time she will be believed (49), the relevant people are receptive (2). I think that looks rather auspicious actually, as long as she gets her timing right.

49 metamorphosis, Revolution. Well, the Tory party is undergoing an internal revolution...
49.1 not declaring too soon, waiting for the right time
49.3 still not forcing ahead, getting everyone on board first, many discussions within the party
49.4 she is believed and gets support
49.5 she shows herself to be a leader and gets full endorsement of the party. Possibly even emerges as a credible leader for the country, across parties, in this time of crisis. This line is about getting such spontaneous support that an oracle is uncessecary. It is a glowing line for a politician...TBC.

I should say that I don't know very much about Theresa May and have no opinion about her suitability, this is just a comment on the cast.
This reading from yesterday now seems very fair - having seen TM's speech today she came across extremely well (I have actually never liked her at all in the past, but will admit to having been unexpectedly impressed with her today). She was highly credible, and widely acknowledged as such. Fascinating.
 

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Maybe it will be Th May after all. Or......

Will there be another candidate, stronger than Th.May?
45:1,2,3,5>34

I read this as there will be tons of turmoil and changes in months ahead in their party.
34 makes me think of a male candidate.
I don't read 34 as a male candidate, I read this as the successful candidate will pull together all sides of the party with great power. There is no reason why this can't be TM just because she's a woman - currently she's by far the strongest and with the greatest potential for holding together all sides, and with the best track record. I guess we'll see, but to me there is nothing about 34 that suggests a man...
 

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to me there is nothing about 34 that suggests a man...
Of course 34 does not only mean 'man', but it gives me this impression here.
For a full explanation why 34 (also) aludes to a male, see Tuck Chang's analysis.
Some points from his analysis:

largeness and strength, or the masculine is strong (…) The masculine is regarded as largeness, while the feminine is small; the masculine lines reach position 4, signifying the masculine grows strong (…) The internal trigram Qian, which is composed wholly of masculine rigidity, is signified as perseverance, while the external trigram Zhen is to move (…) The inner hexagram of Da Zhuang is Guai (43), (the masculine) to get rid of (the feminine). Therefore hexagram Da Zhung contains the risk of counterattack from the feminine like a dam bursting, which signifies that largeness and strength with no self-restraint will cause a disaster. Its changed hexagram is Guan (20), those above (i.e. the masculine lines) presenting a model (for those below, i.e. the feminine lines, to follow).
 

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Perhaps 45.1.2.3.5>34 is about one of the semi finalists? It suggests to me a male candidate who reaches out (1), gets drawn in (2), but fails to fit in (3), and it would take him superhuman, saintly efforts to succeed (5). I don't think the lines are all that favourable as a sequence...

34 is all about restraining sheer force. Presumably the candidate who is good at controlling him/herself will be favoured?

It is dawning on me that the Yi could be telling us things that make sense to someone within the Tory party, but not necessarily to people who are on the outside looking in...
 
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Thanks for the clarification that the nominations have closed already yasmin.
Then my bet is on Stephen Crabb, but only after a long struggle as you put it.
My second bet would be Theresa May. Shame we don't have a betting service here on Clarity ;)
 

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Boris Johnson: 32.1.3>54. I cannot see any hope for him in this casting.32 he stays the same, the party jester, lacking intellectual integrity > and gets 54 passed over, powerless


32 durability, consistency. The hex promises success but only for someone who is firmly correct, which is not his case.
32.1: Blofeld: To ensure his continuance, he digs a hole for himself. This sort of determination brings misfortune, for he is unable to go anywhere.
32.3 Legge: he does not continuously maintain his virtue. There are those who will impute this to him as a disgrace. However firm he may be, there will be ground for regret.
54 powerless, second best, passed over

This reading, and your prediction, turned out to be quite accurate, didn't it, especially in view of the probability advanced, a few days ago, that BJ would be in the running.
 
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If the question focused specifically on Johnson then I would say the answer is NO.

32.1 tries to achieve too much too soon and fails.
32.3 has behaviour/character/personality that is inconsistent. It lacks direction and it is not reliable.

But then when I asked if the PM will be another possible contender, Theresa May, the answer was 49.1.3.4.5 > 2.
Boris Johnson not going forward was hardly a surprise (on this Forum!) Interesting how hex 32 line 3 really shouted loud and clear in this 1st reading cast by loverofknowledge!
And Yasmin did a detailed interpretation that was spot on ;)
 

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Yes, and your reading, Mirian was right on, too.
The casting itself (which I threw) was incredibly to the point, both line 3, as you say, and line 1 (he's trying to achieve too much, too soon).

Boris Johnson not going forward was hardly a surprise (on this Forum!) Interesting how hex 32 line 3 really shouted loud and clear in this 1st reading cast by loverofknowledge!
And Yasmin did a detailed interpretation that was spot on ;)
 

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