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in the past 5 months many of my horoscope readings have resulted in mentioning that i will get answers or some response by person X after a period of 3 months (so if i ask in Jan it tells me its going to happen in April, similar question in Feb results in June)
But each time I expect something to happen it seems like time is moving and pushing things out further. So I asked the IChing "why do my readings keep pointing to 3 months later events" and I got 56.1 changing to 30

now 30 says the outcome will be something positive (and see I am reading the number 3 again in 30)

please help me understand this reading
 
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Hi,

The answer reads to me like this.
(30)- you search for clarity about something that (56)- changes as you travel or wander through life.

Line 1- the timing factor is either not important or whatever issue you focus on is not important. For there to be change- refocus, regain your balance, and think positive.

Best wishes,

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Dear kapoork,

"why do my readings keep pointing to 3 months later events"

Because it is impossible to set a timeline when everything is still on the move. Hex 56 is about non-permanent, temporary conditions, someone who is on a journey (not literally) and hasn't found her/his place yet. With all of that in mind, Hex 56 line 1 comes up as a reminder to not to waste your time with things that have no importance whatsoever in the grand scheme of things. Also, Hex 56 is about being vulnerable as conditions can be so volatile and more than ever you should preserve yourself, your self-steem and watch your step.

Hope that helps :bows:
 

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Hi Mirian

the readings that I got done were all related to the same issue of when will my spouse contact me if ever to get back and resolve our issues

so does this reading tell me that my query using the horoscope is not important OR does this try to say that i myself am not sure if i want us to reunite and is asking me to make up my own mind?

this site has been named so aptly - people like me can't even understand answers to their own questions - and i'm glad we have this community where you all provide us clarity

is there a possible question i should ask that would probably help me out more or guide me - all my past reading keep telling me to wait and watch, its like my life is running by and i'm just standing there watching it all go away - 6months of waiting, i really wish to get some clarity on where i'm headed
 
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Hi kapoork,

You keep trying to predict when your spouse is going to contact you and keep receiving this 3 months time through the horoscope but this day never comes. I know nothing about astrology, but I believe that the Yi is telling you that things are not settled (Hex 56), your situation is all transitory, so there is no way that neither astrology nor I Ching can predict this and you should not even been trying to figure that out. Your focus is wrong and you are wasting your time (line 1).

If I were in your position I would ask "what is the impact on my life if I carry on waiting for this man to contact me?

Anyway, it is just a suggestion. You know better than me what to ask to give you clear guidelines to help you out. :bows:
 

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Hello kapoork,

I've never used astrology for timing, so I don't know how it works.

But I'm reasonably sure that methods do exist for exactly this purpose, so you should (theoretically - I think) be able to get this kind of information. Are you having this done by someone who is experienced in it?

Maybe 56.1 in this context is talking about the actual mechanics of doing this. Is the method complicated at all? Does it consist of many steps, or pieces, or calculations? Maybe the "bits" of the process aren't being integrated properly into a final answer.
 

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hi Lisa
i've been taking help from experts in astrology. and i do think astrology required putting together mathematical calculations related to the position of planets with the respect to the timing of the question etc although I have no knowledge of the exact procedure.
 

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hi Lisa
i've been taking help from experts in astrology. and i do think astrology required putting together mathematical calculations related to the position of planets with the respect to the timing of the question etc although I have no knowledge of the exact procedure.
 
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Kapoork, since the astrology is being done by someone who knows what they are doing (as it seems to be), I think that makes it less likely that the calculations are being put together wrong and therefore giving you the wrong answer.

Maybe you could ask the astrologer(s) why this is happening with the answers, why it keeps telling you "three months" over and over again. What explanation do they have? I think it's a reasonable question to ask, especially if you're paying them to do this.

I agree with what everyone else is saying, too. When a response will come from your spouse may be a trivial aspect of the problem between you, whatever it is. Asking about the problem itself, and how to resolve it, might be more productive and bring you more "Clarity" (hex 30).

(Unless, of course, you know for sure that you have ABSOLUTELY no ability to influence the situation, and you have no choice at all but to wait for your spouse to do something. :confused:)
 

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Hello Kapoork,
I have learned over the years that 56.1-30 denotes - apart from the usual interpretation - misleading (fake?) omens and/or a diviner's misreadings. Can be my own misinterpretation, too.


I remember an old thread where charly mentioned something similar for the fan yao line:
an enemy scout is adulterating the ancestor's footprints in the sand. Have never experienced this for 30.1 though.
 
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This is very interesting fallada, would be great for Charley to show up or a link to that thread. Thank you for sharing that, I think I will go on a search in my spare time. :)
 

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sorry, it wasn't Charley (although it could have been), it was Tuckchang.
Couldn't manage to copypaste the link, but search for 'enemy scout' and it will be the first result on the list.
 

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Just for traceability:


56.1 is busy with petty things 30.1 reveals what these are: confusing, crisscross footprints. Footprints are omens that tell a story, but they are not the story itself so you'd better get the reading right, which is difficult when an enemy scout has left his own traces on top of the original omen/story and you dont realise immediately. 30.1 eventually gains clarity and moves on, while 56.1 engages with insignificant traces, omens and visions until reality reveals their rightful place. Something that the Yi of course despises as petty and narrow minded.


There are many other ideas about these footprints:


- the zig zag footprints of drunken Shang people going home in the morning from a banquette or ritual - s.t. the Zhou of course would never do! (freeman crouch: cameleon book)


- putting out a foodbowl in the night for the spirits. When the food is gone, the spirits have accepted the donation and the animal's footprints can be read as omens in the morning. Here they go crisscross, in 58.6 they come full circle. (?? on clarity)


- the footprints of busy people in the morning from carrying water, choping wood, etc. (?? on clarity)
 

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...search for 'enemy scout' and it will be the first result on the list.

Hi Fallada,

What are you using to do the search? I'm sure I'm doing something wrong, or not seeing something that's smack in front of my face :eek:, but I'm not finding the thread you mentioned.

I tried doing a Google Site Search, like this:

site:www.onlineclarity.co.uk tuckchang "enemy scout"

The only result was this thread:


but "56.1" is not on that page (using Ctrl-F in Windows to search the page).

I also tried Clarity's Forum Search (from the menu at the top of the screen) with enemy scout in the Keyword(s) box and tuckchang in the User Name box. This produced two results:


and


But those pages didn't have "56.1" on them either (again using Ctrl-F).

I also did Google Site Searches on a few random phrases from what you quoted, and got no results at all. Google gave me messages like this:

Your search - site:www.onlineclarity.co.uk "56.1 is busy with petty things 30.1 reveals what these are" - did not match any documents.
 

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and it is about 56.1's fan yao line: 30.1


Ah. Thanks, Fallada.

So do you think maybe Kapoork's astrologer(s) did do something wrong and that's why he's getting these confusing predictions from them? Do you think maybe it's some of both? That the astrologer might be messing up, but still maybe the question "when?" isn't the biggest issue here?

Unless Kapoork's hands really are tied, which he didn't actually say, but which might be implied just because it's what he's focussing on.
 

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Lisa, to put it bluntly: no astrologer and no chart can give you an answer to when person X will respond.


I can only guess that the 3 times 3 month come from reading the path of a transitioning planet: straight transition, retrograde transition and straight transition again. With the last transition the theme comes to an end in the present form. The art is to identify the real problem/theme (I doubt that s.o's. silence is the core theme here) and then relate it to suitable constellation, which works best when you work out when the issue started and only then look into the charts and search for the constellations and not otherwise.
 

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Lisa, to put it bluntly: no astrologer and no chart can give you an answer to when person X will respond.

I can only guess that the 3 times 3 month come from reading the path of a transitioning planet: straight transition, retrograde transition and straight transition again. With the last transition the theme comes to an end in the present form. The art is to identify the real problem/theme (I doubt that s.o's. silence is the core theme here) and then relate it to suitable constellation, which works best when you work out when the issue started and only then look into the charts and search for the constellations and not otherwise.

Oh, okay, thanks. So it sounds like what you were getting at with 56.1 was not just that the astrologer made a correctable calculation error, but that doing astrology for Kapoork's question is really hopeless altogether.

Do you know if the start of the "real problem" has to be identified accurately? I mean, I know astrology really loves exact times - but I've never used it for anything like this so I don't know if this particular technique is forgiving of estimates at all. "Issues" might be nebulous and it might be hard to pinpoint the beginning of them. (Along similar lines, I've heard that charts can be drawn for the length of an illness, but again, you'd have to pin down the beginning of it, right? And by the time you're sick enough to care about casting a chart, you could have forgotten when the first sniffle was, exactly. But again, I don't know anything about the technique except that it exists.)

Am also hoping Kapoork didn't pay very much for these charts :mad:. Sounds like the astrologer should have explained the limitations better.

Also wondering if the I Ching might be a better choice all-around for this than astrology. He could ask an entirely different question, as people have suggested. Or, if he really CAN'T do anything except wait to be contacted, at least the I Ching could probably give him SOME kind of honest estimate about time. I mean, it could tell him a lot of things, but whatever answer it would give would probably be more helpful than what he's getting from the astrologer.
 

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A bad astrologer got it wrong and kept Kapoork busy with nonsense. It doesnt really matter what kind of nonsense this was, imo. Maybe it helps Kapoork to overthink his view of the problem. 56.1 includes both.


An astrologer can f.i. calculate when a felt blockage will end and may add that the 'solution' may come in an unexpected form and make some suggestions what this could be.


Lisa, examen crucial phases in your life by checking your charts for synchronity and you will immediately see what I mean.
 

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Fallada, thank you for the information. What does "f.i." mean? Sorry, but I don't know that abbreviation :eek:.
 

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