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Why do I often seem to irritate people? 64.4.5>59

Speculation: 64.4 = I irritate people because I generally get praised?


And what do you suggest for more respect and consideration? 44.2>33


Keep away from strangers
 

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Why do I often seem to irritate people?
64.4.5>59


It is because they represent a spirit that has passed. Actually, you don't irritate me. I think your projects are admirable. Myself, I am in a reforming mode, perhaps from drinking nettle tea, think there is little need for much of the inconvenience, disappointment, and suffering in the world, but people imagine they are already reformers, and don't want to be bothered, so I am irritating many. As long as I keep the cat happy, I don't care what people think :)
 
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Maybe you're jumping the gun on that assumption? Lighten up. ;)

Be bolder, more self-confident, and retreat from being overly sensitive. A mentor once told me, "you wouldn't worry what people think about you if you knew how seldom they did." A joke, but it makes a point.
 

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And what do you suggest for more respect and consideration? 44.2>33


Keep away from strangers

44.2 ...keep things to yourself more so that they have chance to develop. Perhaps you are involving others too much in your thoughts and plans and so somehow hindering the process of incubation

44.2...the lines says there is fish in the basket but not to share it with guests.

Be quiet. If you have a wish or a plan keep it to yourself. That way you can proceed towards your goals without attracting attention from others who may undermine it. Also talking about plans all the time might be what is irritating them.
 
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Olga:

For the first question, the convention I use is 64-5 as the main message supplemented by 59-4. The followings are the translated line text:

64-5: Continuing to move forward righteously and reaping some near-term rewards, subject has no regret even though the daunting challenge seems to be over subject’s head. Subject’s sincerity and determination shall win the support of others to help reach the final goal, thus auspicious.

59-4: Focus of improvement is turned to action groups. Subject shall dissipate the current organization arrangement, and such initiative shall be auspicious. Once the status quo is dissipated, subject shall uncover the underlying elements that need to be addressed, depicted as small dirt mounts. These revealed elements may contradict traditional thinking and reasoning.

While you move forward in your own righteous ways and reaping some rewards, could you be possibly exposeing short comings of those around you? I also agree with Trojina's 44-2-33 interpretation and recommendation above.
 

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You have posted this on 2 threads which is really confusing.

I did that because the question is more or less the same I posed a few months ago, so I considered it the same thread.
But then I created a new one.

Basically it's not in my head, I'm sure about it.
A lot of people have noticed it too.. that when I'm in a group of people someone would get really irritated but with not ACTUAL reason to do so!

This keeps happening all the time.
I asked these people more than once WHY were they so irritated about me the other day, and they coudln't answer.

It happens both with people that I see every day (house mates, people at work) and with people I don't know (shop assistant in a shop.. people sitting in front of me on the train..)
Sometimes I BARELY speak to them!

And when it is people that I see every day and I ask what happened, they can't say, but they recognise that they were irritated.

Usually after a while the friendship is over. They weren't real friends of course. Just people I was starting to go out with. Yet they get irritated by me but don't say WHY - and I find this stressful because if there were a real reason I could just do something about it.

I dont know: You're selfish! or you're mean, or you never keep your word. Things like that are reasons for being irritated. But I never get the chance to be accused of anything in particular, they just get irritated and leave.
 

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Why do I often seem to irritate people?
64.4.5>59


It is because they represent a spirit that has passed.

but people imagine they are already reformers, and don't want to be bothered, so I am irritating many. As long as I keep the cat happy, I don't care what people think :)

Hi Pocossin, what do you mean by " a spirit that has passed"?

And if you irritate people, apart from the fact that you don't care, do you have any idea why you irritate them? :)

Oh maybe I got that! Because you make it evident to them that they are not reformers at all?
 

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Maybe you're jumping the gun on that assumption? Lighten up. ;)

Be bolder, more self-confident, and retreat from being overly sensitive. A mentor once told me, "you wouldn't worry what people think about you if you knew how seldom they did." A joke, but it makes a point.

HI Soooo :)
The fact is that I'm bold enough I think. SO bold that people get irritated. Just I don't know HOW I irritate them. It's not something I say. I think. I don't know. It might be at this point..

The problem is not me being sensitive, I don't care either about what they think!
The problem is that in a group situation things start getting unbalanced and someone would start picking at me and talk to the others through me, as if I were the person to talk about that evening. I suddenly become the stupid jolly everyone is measuring up to.

A typical example: A dinner with new people. Dinner hasn't started yet, we've all just arrived, each of us introducing to each other, and suddenly there would be this person I know that would start making comments about me, not necessarily negative, but I'm there at their side, and they would speak of me the way you would speak of your 2 year old child when you meet a friend of yours at the supermarket.

I don't know if I've been able to convey what I mean, as English is not my first language.

Anyway people get irritated a lot. and disappear. Suddenly.
I may not care but it's weird ..
 

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Olga:
59-4: Subject shall dissipate the current organization arrangement, and such initiative shall be auspicious. Once the status quo is dissipated, subject shall uncover the underlying elements that need to be addressed, depicted as small dirt mounts. These revealed elements may contradict traditional thinking and reasoning.

While you move forward in your own righteous ways and reaping some rewards, could you be possibly exposeing short comings of those around you?

Jzy are these the i ching lines from your book?

I know why I tend to irritate people on facebook/forums chats about Israel/Palestine and other political issues (immigrants, religion, Charlie Hebdo..).
It's not because I have certain ideas (I sometimes don't even have a particular definite idea on a matter and I actually like to discuss so that I can form my own idea).
It's because I debate really well (so well that I once received a private message from a newspaper's director complimenting for the way I had debated an issue) that I uncover all the weaknesses and faults in their reasoning ;)
Sometimes they get really really angry (some of them wishing me death!) other times (especially if they're famous intellectuals or public people) they just ignore me. They don't reply because they would have to change their point of view.

But yes I think I tend to uncover things they're not aware in their reasonings.

But my question wasn't about facebook chat of course.
So I wonder if the same happens also in real life at real dinners and not just on facebook!
 
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HI Soooo :)
The fact is that I'm bold enough I think. SO bold that people get irritated. Just I don't know HOW I irritate them. It's not something I say. I think. I don't know. It might be at this point..

The problem is not me being sensitive, I don't care either about what they think!
The problem is that in a group situation things start getting unbalanced and someone would start picking at me and talk to the others through me, as if I were the person to talk about that evening. I suddenly become the stupid jolly everyone is measuring up to.

A typical example: A dinner with new people. Dinner hasn't started yet, we've all just arrived, each of us introducing to each other, and suddenly there would be this person I know that would start making comments about me, not necessarily negative, but I'm there at their side, and they would speak of me the way you would speak of your 2 year old child when you meet a friend of yours at the supermarket.

I don't know if I've been able to convey what I mean, as English is not my first language.

Anyway people get irritated a lot. and disappear. Suddenly.
I may not care but it's weird ..

Okay, but you are not other people, and your questions reflect a lot of second guessing, yourself and others. This, to me at least (one of the others), comes off as insecurity, self-doubt, and if you'll pardon my bluntness, a bit paranoid.

What I'm interpreting is that you're assuming things, jumping the gun (64) and that 59 is water turning to mist, a form of "lightening up". Levity tends to make others feel more comfortable. Overly self-conscious puts others on edge.

What I'm saying about 44 doesn't mean being bossy and obnoxious, just relax and say what you really mean, without worrying what these others will think. You say you don't care, but if that were so, you wouldn't have created this thread (twice), and several others similar to it. Get comfortable in your own skin and don't concern yourself so much with what others think of you. More than likely, you would speak less and your words would have more power. That's why I'm not seeing 44 here as an oppressive indicator but a liberating one.
 

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Jzy are these the i ching lines from your book?

I know why I tend to irritate people on facebook/forums chats about Israel/Palestine and other political issues (immigrants, religion, Charlie Hebdo..).
It's not because I have certain ideas (I sometimes don't even have a particular definite idea on a matter and I actually like to discuss so that I can form my own idea).
It's because I debate really well (so well that I once received a private message from a newspaper's director complimenting for the way I had debated an issue) that I uncover all the weaknesses and faults in their reasoning ;)
Sometimes they get really really angry (some of them wishing me death!) other times (especially if they're famous intellectuals or public people) they just ignore me. They don't reply because they would have to change their point of view.

But yes I think I tend to uncover things they're not aware in their reasonings.

But my question wasn't about facebook chat of course.
So I wonder if the same happens also in real life at real dinners and not just on facebook!

It seems to me that you'd like to think you irritate other people because you make them feel jealous or insecure or because you can uncover things... Yet I do not even recognise who you think 'people' exactly is. People are individuals who all think differently. We are not meant to make personal comments or character analyses here, it's against the rules.....but, since you are explicitly asking about yourself and it is the topic of the thread.... for example I find the above statement underlined kinda irritating. You sound to me as if you are giving yourself airs and graces in imagining you are so intellectually amazing these famous intellectuals ignore you. I can't even take that seriously.

Maybe you are overly self absorbed...Maybe if you stopped thinking about yourself and how others see you you'd irritate people less.

Please be aware I intend no offence to you here. I don't dislike you but I don't take some of what you say very seriously.

In life there will always be people who find one irritating, it doesn't really matter, just get on with things. Also try seeing people as individuals with their own concerns not just 'people' who are reacting to you.


....but you do seem quite nice and polite so that off sets the trace of megalomania I perceive. But you know megalomania can be fun....
 
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Oh and Olga if I have offended you please PM me and I can remove my comments. It isn't my intention to offend you here.
 

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No I'm not offended at all - but it is a fact that I've irritated some of you which is really interesting!
 

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And it is a fact that in a political conversation between strangers on facebook I would be the one attacked or ignored.
My shrink (psychanalist) says I'm un uncoverer of things :)
He says with me people feels lack of stability. So I was confirming JZY 369 of the possible truth of his speculation.

It's not that I particularly care. But it's frustrating. Some people leave my life, offended, banning myself; others keep asking me out, and then pick on me before others, with a big grin on their faces as if they had finally taken revenge.

The latest episode that happened was with a girl I met years ago, then I moved to another city so we remained friends on FB. She was vomiting on Charlie Hebdo and on people who support it and write "Je suis Charlie". Being one of those, I commented writing my reasons to do so (have lived in France, currently live very close to France, my Mom used to sing to me the French anthem when I was little..). She insisted that it was just 12 people dying, how many people die every day from cancer?

I replied that it's not a matter of number, it's a matter of how people die. And I did this example:
If your mother died of cancer, you would feel a certain sorrow. If she died killed by a drunk driver, the sorrow would be different. If she died because of her religion or ideas, the sorrow would be different.

She banned me saying that I'm disturbed for making such an example.
So I've irritated this person, but I don't see anything strange in my example.
And I was not the only one supporting Charlie that commented under her post.

It's like people accepted anything said by anyone except me. (not ALL people of course, but a lot of them).
As if I lacked any authority to say anything.
 

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Trojina said she found my statements irritating :flirt:
so I guess it's something in my behaviour.
 
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Trojina said she found my statements irritating :flirt:
so I guess it's something in my behaviour.
Ah, I see. Well, she was quite specific about her reasoning, so at least you don't have to wonder why.

Really, Olga, I think people might be more puzzled by you than irritated. Of course if you deliberately push their buttons, you're likely to get an irritated reaction. I personally think it's just some kind of reassurance you're looking for. My main point is that assurance is best when it comes from within - self-assurance.

Anyway, I have nothing more to add to this, but please don't interpret that as being irritated. You've never irritated me, as my prior exchanges with you will testify.
 

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It seems to me that you'd like to think you irritate other people because you make them feel jealous or insecure or because you can uncover things...
it was a hypothesis

You sound to me as if you are giving yourself airs and graces in imagining you are so intellectually amazing these famous intellectuals ignore you. I can't even take that seriously.
That's because you are assuming I am not an intellectual.

Maybe you are overly self absorbed...Maybe if you stopped thinking about yourself and how others see you you'd irritate people less.
yeah it might be.

Please be aware I intend no offence to you here. I don't dislike you but I don't take some of what you say very seriously.

I think that's the point! People don't take what I say very seriously. You said it twice here..
So I believe I lack authority. That's why they want to shut me up. They think I don't even deserve to speak.

You know what?
People would stop me in the street to ask me for direction , and then don't trust me, they go and ask someone else. Both people that have known me for years (they just don't trust me about anything I say, they go check on google) and people that are just asking for direction in the street.

Fair enough. Next time someone asks me for direction I'll tell them to ask someone else since I AM NEVER BELIEVED!!
 

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Lise's take on 44.2 is very apropos: "Make sure that nobody who is not essential to you can interfere with your life and future. Your future has to be YOUR future, not a mixture of influences. Only what passes through the gates of your inner essence and is found of value may influence. "

We cannot control how other people perceive us because even if we were to use all tools of manipulation known to man, we cannot always know through which prejudice we are being viewed. Plus, we often forget about our own biases and prejudices when considering any given scenario.

http://www.2knowmyself.com/How_to_gain_power_and_influence
 

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LOL well this was my take on 44.2 I posted earlier. You'd asked how to get more respect and consideration.

44.2 ...keep things to yourself more so that they have chance to develop. Perhaps you are involving others too much in your thoughts and plans and so somehow hindering the process of incubation

44.2...the lines says there is fish in the basket but not to share it with guests.

Be quiet. If you have a wish or a plan keep it to yourself. That way you can proceed towards your goals without attracting attention from others who may undermine it. Also talking about plans all the time might be what is irritating them.


As for everything else ..I don't know you. Maybe you should ask those who know you...



I think that's the point! People don't take what I say very seriously. You said it twice here..
So I believe I lack authority. That's why they want to shut me up. They think I don't even deserve to speak.

Re read the advice of 44.2. Perhaps instead of speaking in order to convince people that you are this or you are that you should just get on with what you intend to do in life without speaking of it. As for what 'people' think about you, you don't know what every individual who meets you thinks.

I don't think you should encourage the idea in yourself that people do not think you deserve to speak. Afterall you have had numerous replies to this thread and others where people have not only heard you speak but taken you seriously enough to respond to you. Responding takes time so if people respond they are giving you time and giving you time surely means they think you deserve some attention.


As for your friend with those repugnant views re Charlie Hebdo....well good grief I should think you are better off without her.
 

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it's curious how I'm involving you people too much in my thoughts even here ..

ok I shall be more secretive from now on.

thank you all of you (a lot indeed on thisthread!) that have intervened!
 

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Hi Olga!

this is an old thread, and it may very well be no longer relevant.
But was researching 64.4.5 and thought I'd add my 2 cents, not really for you personally, but for any further research into this hexagram and lines.

Why you might irritate (some) people (tho not me, my dear!)
Maybe I didn't catch all the comments above, but here in a nutshell, some ideas below.

64 overall because you may convey something of a 'flux' in motion energy, not stable, trying to cross over, but not yet there, hither and thither.
Maybe sometimes, others can't quite 'catch' what you're saying.

64.4 => because you could be perceived as argumentative. Always fighting the Demons.
And-Or feeling defensive-offensive; you sense or feel that you are not listened to or believed, so you feel you must persuade/ insist?
AND maybe because you may indeed often win these arguments. :D
(reminds me, a little bit, of Tarot's 5 of Swords.)

64.5 => because you are so confident and outspoken about it. :giggle:
 
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Hi Eileen

the thread is still quite relevant in my life ahah so thank you very much!
I have to say I have made steps ahead as to the not bothering area: I just no longer care if people get nasty and try to sabotate me. Not personally, at least. Of course it is still a problem and creates problems.

The last example of it being our technician at the renovation house, a lady in her 60s who doesn't like me (we are the clients!) and has been spreading evil between us and the workmen pretty much since the beginning. But things are now more or less ok, we deal directly with the workers without having her in the way (we leave her just the paper work, which she has done wrong in a few occasions).

I stand with my original idea: she can't stand that I have proved my knowledge in her area. I have corrected several mistakes she made, some of them in time, others we are correcting them now and it will cost us thousands!

My mother, who initially trusted her and considered me the one to be dismissed, has finally understood I am worth much more. So basically we now have to correct the mistakes she made in my Mom's room (I was able to decide things my own way in my room and the rest of the house, but my Mom followed her suggestions as to her own bedroom and other few things, all of which proved wrong and a mistake).

She initially had a helper we signed a 3000€ agreement with, who was in charge of a few things; one day I made my Mom and the workmen notice that the electrical sockets had been placed wrongly (they would have been exactly behind the bed, with no access to them) and she disappeared. Without even saying she was abandoning the job. We never heard anything else from her. We are left with this contract hanging.. very professional..

So more than envy, I guess what irritates people is the different idea they get from me. From a first impression of Olga being a poor stupid ass everyone can tell her things, to finally see that I know quite a lot and I go my own way. A difference in presentation.

Last but not least, the government came up with important incentives on renovation. I mentioned them to her last summer but she quickly dismissed (with a beam of light in her eyes) that we are not entitled. Today doing a bit of research I found out we are. Well we certainly were last summer when doing the works..
Now that's a LOT of money. Maybe 20,000€. I really hope to be able to get that. But I know that when I will tell her that we are entitled and please make all the necessary papers for it, she will be irritated again, and that could have serious consequences (of vengeance quality) on the renovation or relationships with other workmen involved. She will find a way to make me pay for uncovering her inadequacy.

The fact is, the first meetings we did about the house were all in the mood of, "Has she (Olga) got it clear that the old flooring in the entrance has to go and if it has to go in the entrance it has to go everywhere else?", this being the two technicians speaking to my Mother about me while I was standing there in front of them.

(Of course I was right and the flooring is still there, as it is in the old villas from the 17th century. I found a way to keep it speaking with the workers)

This is just to give an idea of the situation.
I think there is a discrepancy between the way I first appear and the way I manifestate myself later on. Some people are positively surprised that I turn out better than I seemed at the start, others are irritated that I am not so submissive as I look.

But I am reading Jane Eyre at the moment, so I no longer feel alone.

As to what you say

64 overall because you may convey something of a 'flux' in motion energy, not stable, trying to cross over, but not yet there, hither and thither.
Maybe sometimes, others can't quite 'catch' what you're saying.
there is a lot of truth!
Some people have been saying they don't know where they stand with me. They don't know who they have in front of them.

And it has turned out that I have the same problem in my body. I shift.. I have to get my centre more stable.

While this
64.4 => because you could be perceived as argumentative. Always fighting the Demons.
And-Or feeling defensive-offensive; you sense or feel that you are not listened to or believed, so you feel you must persuade/ insist?
AND maybe because you may indeed often win these arguments. :D
(reminds me, a little bit, of Tarot's 5 of Swords.)

64.5 => because you are so confident and outspoken about it. :giggle:
applies a lot to online discussions. I have received compliments by journalists and intellectual people for the way I conduct my thinking and discussion. I uncover the fallacies in others' reasonings, which often ends up with me being banned altogether and excluded from the discussion.
Unlike most people discussing things on the internet, I like to discuss to search for the truth, not to state that I am right, in the best of philosophical tradition. but the general audience on the social networks is pretty ignorant (especially in my country) and has been brought up following the modern tv talk show model where the winner is the one who shouts the loudest.

Apart from that I have a tendency to be argumentative in general life, yes, which doesn't win friends. And I am probably very direct at times, which can sound aggressive. It's as if I had to prove everything's validity. I think it comes from philosophy. I should have made great accomplishments had I lived in Greece in the V century :flirt:

Changing the people I have around helps.
Since I stopped doing low-level jobs and sharing the house with ignorant pigs, I am better. On social networks too, I am more careful about when inserting myself into a discussion. I look around whose group is that, who the people there are.

In one of the films I worked I was greatly despised by the technicians I was working with. A guy who wasn't even from my department and to whom I had never even spoken, one day said aloud that it was pretty much evident there is nothing in my brain. I don't know what started that but I remember the first day of my job they asked me how much I was getting paid, and I was getting a lot. They were not happy. Then the director of the film made me direct a second less important scene while he was working on the key one with the top actors. I don't want to seem arrogant and giving myself pride, but I think that also contributed to them outcasting me. I was the last one arrived, it was my first job in the movies and.. I get to direct a scene :flirt:☝️🤪
 
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Hi Olga,

First, you reveal what others are uncomfortable with—their lack of certainty or trust in their perceptions and experiences. It is undeniable that we can have an impact on others, and the context plays a crucial role in understanding that impact. Sometimes we overestimate our influence, underestimate it, or accurately assess our impact. In your case, it seems to be the latter. By connecting with your truth and trusting your perceptions, you awaken awareness of others' insecurity issues. The claims about you in this thread echo the insecurities you are arousing in others. You didn't come here with those insecurities but with a sense of certainty, which I find refreshing. This entire thread is a prime example of what happens to you. I don't mean to make light of or insult the community, but it is astonishing. It's as if everyone is possessed by a demon (line 4).

A case in point on this thread is the primary assumption that everyone makes: that your experiences and anecdotes are false! So, I hear you, Olga. What right do we have to say that your question is based on a false premise? In most cases, we should approach any question with a large amount of trust in the experiences of others and exercise refined discernment.

Your personal authority tends to aggravate others. That is why you hear suggestions to "tone it down" in this thread. However, you remain tuned in to yourself and stand your ground, as you should, because you are the only true authority. Instead of exploring the possibility that you are irritating people and approaching Yi's response from that perspective and answering your question, some are pushing you to question your premise. That is what is happening here. I hope I am helping you see why you irritate people—that by being who you are, you uncover areas in others where they feel discomfort. You are speaking about things that occur in a moment, not fixating on an obsession with yourself, but rather a reaction to you.

Let's explore the story of Hexagram 64:

"Why do I often seem to irritate people? 64.4.5>59

64: Not yet across

Not yet across, creating success.
The small fox, almost across,
Soaks its tail:
No direction bears fruit.

You are the wise fox, skillfully crossing the river, riding the wave, and staying present in the moment. You are not concerned about where you will land; that isn't the purpose of what you are doing. You are not trying to get a reaction or intentionally irritate people; you are inviting others to engage.
Hexagram 64 has a nervous energy to it. We have already crossed in Hexagram 63, and in Hexagram 64, we find ourselves in liminal waters where all hexagrams are present under the ice. We are riding on a cocktail of accomplishment and potential. And it's important to be directionless. The story in the lines advises against having an agenda: don't intentionally undermine others nor avoid irritating them. Instead, remain committed to yourself as you navigate this icy terrain. It's not a warm place to be. It isn't about the warm fuzzy bonding aspects, where it's us and we. You are in cold territory, literally in icy waters. The context of this relating is on ice. This is the I relating to the You. On the individual level, instinctual even, according to one's nature (differentiated, in your own place). However, as the wise fox, you have the skills to successfully cross.

Line 4:

Yi encourages you to be constant as you have been, without regret. This will bring good fortune. Don't worry if you irritate others. Hilary's commentary on this line points to "all those things that keep coming back to haunt you and disturb your peace." And this has double meanings:

In your case, it signifies the repeating experience and the uncovering of these places of unease within others due to the quality of your energy. It also speaks to summoning the forces within you, much like a "Thunderer," to safeguard your inner peace against disturbances, and it touches on how your wise fox skills uncover the areas where people constantly feel their peace threatened and experience unease. The primary function of this flavor of relating is to evolve and grow wiser through cycles of interaction with insecurities. These cycles are for society's benefit. Everyone will be rewarded.

Furthermore, it suggests summoning the forces within you, much like a "Thunderer," to safeguard your inner peace against any disturbances. Apply the same discernment when evaluating yourself, maintaining your centeredness instead of succumbing to regret or discomfort regarding your impact on others. The forces under your command, akin to the skills of the wise fox, expose the areas where people feel their peace perpetually threatened—the places of unease within them. In time, through the cycles of three years, everyone involved will grow wiser and reap the rewards of their collective efforts.

In time (3 years/or cycle), everyone will become wiser (rewarded) for the work.

Line 5:

Yi once again encourages you to continue without regret or worry. Your light, or intellect, shines brightly. Trusting it brings good fortune.

There's a discussion on Hex 64 that is incredibly apt and insightful for your questions. You can find it here: https://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/answers/2019/11/19/hexagram-64-not-yet-across/

Hexagram 59:

Something interesting to note here is that in Hexagram 64, the "noble one carefully differentiates between beings," but in Hexagram 59, everything becomes undifferentiated!

Hex 64, in this instance, takes place within the realm of unbounded freedom. You are boundless and undifferentiated, which also explains why others struggle to provide concrete answers about what irritates them about you. You exist beyond definitions and borders, staying true to the deep connection through the spiritual home and centering your inner authority. When people engage with you, they experience this aspect of your being. Some will embrace it and allow themselves to be transformed through the dissolution of their boundaries, personal status quo, patterns of thinking etc, while others may seek to diminish you and hold onto established patterns. Nonetheless, remain true to yourself, for you exist beyond the limitations of definitions, borders, and conditions that may be imposed on you.

What a gift and responsibility.

I kind of went on a tangent. I'm also a student of Western and Vedic astrology and have been studying nakshatras recently. What you describe is the experience of someone with significant placements in Purva Bhadrapada. They are the uncoverers and prone to disrupting peace in others. If you'd like to delve further into the archetype:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5NQ_6VqS34&t=2s

Blessings.
 

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