Will I marry so and so: Hex: 53.5.6 > 15

[jerusalem]

Hello Everybody!!

I have a question: It is whether I shall marry so and so. It was hexagram 53 with the fifth and six lines changing and the potential hexagram is 15.

I interpreted this as being favorable. That I need to be patient for the person to assess the idea and grow toward it, that in time she will like the idea. The potential hexagram seems to be an affirmative. However, I'm prone to optimism, so I am not sure if I'm interpreting it correctly. Any help is most appreciated. =)

Best!

 

[ginnie]

Almost certainly, dear sir, you will marry the lady and have a long and fruitful marriage. Incomparable good fortune will be yours. Others will look up to you and your wife as examples of how a marriage should be. All best wishes to you and your future bride!

 

[willowfox]

Will I marry so and so: Hex: 53.5.6 > 15

Do you want to?

Because at the moment she doesn't seem to be looking at you in a favourable light, there seem to be a chasm dividing the two of you. You appear to be alone at present.

Obviously, if you want to marry her, you will need to send her some tokens of your affection to repair the situation, then the potential for an eventual marriage is there.

 

[Trojina]

Almost certainly, dear sir, you will marry the lady and have a long and fruitful marriage. Incomparable good fortune will be yours. Others will look up to you and your wife as examples of how a marriage should be. All best wishes to you and your future bride!

Okay for the sake of fairness and as a 'test case' sort of in relation to the moderation thread I'll link to..
http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/friends/showthread.php?t=9034

I say 'for the sake of fairness' as some say that some people can do the same thing and no one turns a hair but if wfox does it she gets hell.

Here I see Ginnie doing something i would have pointed out to Wfox if she had done it as ...well a really unsubstantiated promise she had no reason to make really.

Okay i don't 'hate' Ginnie, much as I never hated Wfox but I don't much care for misleading statements such as this so I'm saying to Ginnie "why do you say this, isn't this misleading"... Theres no certainty here Ginnie of along and fruitful marriage or incomparable good fortune, though could be this is a light hearted reading/answer from you, I appreciate that. And if its your point of view marriage looks like a strong possibilty here i respect that also...but can you really promise Jerusalem certainty over this /

Agreed if it were my reading and I'd asked such a question and got this answer I might feel kinda pleased but 53.5 doesn't look like instant bliss and 53.6 is often about moving on completely. Of course we don't know if that will be moving on in the marriage or moving on from the marriage. We have no idea about the relationship, how long hes been seeing the lady etc etc. So of course nothing can be promised here. If you make promises some people might get hurt and get the wrong idea about what the Yis for.

Anyway the crucial difference between saying this to Ginnie and saying it to Wfox is that I know Ginnie will answer my question, look at my point of view and not accuse me of persecuting her.(i hope anyway ) I know shes not hell bent on proving her own predictions are right..or I know that disagreeing with her over a reading will be fairly 'safe' even if one of us gets huffy. At least i know we'll have some kind of dialogue because in my experience Ginnie is always open to dialogue.



Apologies to Jerusalem for using this thread as a kind of test case...and er no offence intended Ginnie...or Wfox.... just trying to illustrate something

 

[hilary]

To be fair - Ginnie did say 'almost certainly'. Perhaps she is using a system that means looking only at line 5, not 6?

As I see it, you can't have anything resembling certainty in a question like this, as you're basically asking, 'What will this person choose?' Yi can describe what she's predisposed to choose, what's currently most likely to happen, but not preempt her choice. My first intuition about this reading would be two lines describing two ways it could go, depending on the people involved...

 

[Trojina]

oh yeah i didn't see the 'almost'

 

[jerusalem]

Thank you everyone for your comments. =) I must be honest and say I am most fond of Ginnie's response, but that is obvious, I suppose. I suppose I am confused about some things. I'm not sure why having six as a changing line is inauspicious. Moreover, I've understood the potential hexagram as showing the nature in which a reading is heading, i.e., where it's going to go, the further future. Perhaps I'm wrong about that but I've been interpreting things as such. On a sliding scale measured in degrees of 1 to 20, one being most unfavorable (never) to twenty being most favorable (certainty), where would this reading place in me in the sequence of probabilities?

Again, I would like to thank EVERYONE for there wonderful, helpful responses.

All the best!
J.

 

[ginnie]

On a sliding scale measured in degrees of 1 to 20, one being most unfavorable (never) to twenty being most favorable (certainty), where would this reading place in me in the sequence of probabilities? J.

Hi, again, Jerusalem. It was wrong of me to seem to promise you the marriage you desire.

I would give you a 17 on the scale of certainty for line 53.5.

Line 53.6 is more open to going either of two ways, as Trojan pointed out above. Trojan wrote: "Of course we don't know if that will be moving on in the marriage or moving on from the marriage."

In my life, I have experienced this line. The line really means that your situation "does not allow disorder," as the Karcher translation says.

You might notice that when 53.6 changes, the resulting hexagram is 39, Trouble. This is trouble in the sense of feeling hampered and having to face obstacles. I can in truth assign no certainty number from 1 to 20 for #53.6 with regard to a marriage. Trojan was correct to point this out to you in the post above.

I was making the assumption that, once married, you would stick with your wife and family through all forms of adversity, through thick and thin, and that your wife would have made that commitment to you, too. But I don't actually know enough to say that.

Line #53.6 also contains the idea of transcending all earthly boundaries and becoming a spiritual person indeed. That is a third possibility here. In a marriage -- or indeed any H53 situation that develops gradually -- we may have the opportunity to go beyond the question entirely. Is it not so?

I do not, dear J, have any crystal ball here, and I am sorry if I implied that I did. Thank you, my friends here at the website for clarifying this.

 

[Trojina]

Thanks Ginnie for explaining and putting up with me using you as a kind of example.

And thankyou for demonstrating such graciousness in responding to a criticism...I doubt I could be so sweet about it :bows: I picked on this because I know in the past when theres been disagreements over readings you always take time to discuss it

 

[rosada]

Dear Jerusalem,
Hexagram 15 states, "The superior man makes all things equal," so on a scale of one to twenty I think the I Ching would be saying your chances of marriage are 50-50.
However, I don't really think that is the message here. The I Ching doesn't often give satisfactory answers to "yes or no" questions. The hexagrams tend more towards describing the situation and helping you sort things out. So in asking, "Will we marry?" it appears to me the I Ching is describing your situation by saying you are making Gradual Progress towards your goal - which is very encouraging - but hexagram 15, Modesty, emphasizes the importance of not going beyond the what is right and appropriate. Thus I think you are being advised to take things one step at a time and to be conscious that you so not want to unduly pressure your friend. You are anticipating that marriage would be a good thing, but if your friend isn't Equally in love, equally interested in the marriage lifestyle, then 15 could actually mean you will not marry. So I think you are being encouraged to continue to follow this path but to also be alert every step of the way to not be off in La-La Land fantasizing how grand marriage will be in the future and thus miss the cues of what your relationship is all about right now.
The sequence of the hexagrams goes from Gradual Progress to The Marrying Maiden and it seems to warn that the wonderful fun of courtship then leads to the hard reality of marriage so you want to be very clear what you are agreeing to. In astrology the part of the chart that rules Romance (5th house) is a totally different area from the part of the chart that rules marriage (7th house). Thus it is said that it doesn't matter who you marry because they will be someone totally different when you wake up the next morning.

Best Wishes,
Rosada

 

[ginnie]

Thanks Ginnie for explaining and putting up with me using you as a kind of example.

Oh, well, I see how I got carried away . . . Yes, that line 53.6 depends entirely upon the situation as it develops and the characters of J and the lady, and that could even be many years into the future.

 

[jerusalem]

Thank you everyone for your replies. What yous say Ginnie, in the last comment, and what Rosada and the others say, rings true. The situation is one that can go either way. I know I'm not being very specific but that's because of the obvious personal nature of the question. There are intervening forces, such as distance, that create difficulty at the present moment. It is quite possible for this to change. But it is a question of time.

Thank you again!
J

 

[jerusalem]

Just as a follow up (and I thought it to be interesting enough to post), I asked, "Where is this relationship headed?" Surprisingly, I received hexagram 15, no changing lines. I have not asked this question since my post on here, and I use yarrow sticks to acquire the lines, always. Just something that's a coincidence but really isn't.

I interpret it to mean: Keep your mouth shut dude and don't hassle. Life is long, and a year or so is not that long, so let it roll and stay by her side. You'll eventually get what you want.

Is there room for error? =)

P.S. I think I should meditate on hexagram 15.

 

[troubadour]

Jerusalem please let us know the outcome to this discussion!

 

[meerkats64]

they say as a proverb "never advise anyone to go to war or marry" but hexagram 15 is good fortune hexagram if i remember correctly. but if the chemistry is strong love+lust and infatuation high so that you head feels like helium balloon then marry. i ve had misfortunes in love sex i m ill starred in that area of life. but if passion is strong then marry eg if you both like visualizing seeing each other naked and bursting to have sex with each other then marry "love is temporary insanity curable only by marriage" so if you are in love+lust with each other you ll marry it s more important how woman feels about the man than how the man feels about the women

 

[je_vaisseule]

did you marry her?

 

[Trojina]

This thread is from 2009.

Jerusalem was last seen in 2010.

 

[rosada]

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