Will Trump Be President Beyond 2020? 53.1 > 37.

[Lavalamp]

Yes soon if not tomorrow. My final reading indicates I think a landslide for Trump. It is mostly 59 "The Flood" which is a pretty close analogy to a landslide I think.

"Will Trump win the election?" 59.1.3.4 > 1.
Hex 1 The Creative power looking to manifest. Ceaseless energy and success. Sunrise, a Foundation for Progress,
Hex 59 - The Flood. Expansion through dispersion. You see the waters evaporating into clouds, and pouring down upon the land in a flood. The image is the King building temples, speaking his words across the land, metaphorically the winds blowing upon the waters.
59.1 - This lines indicates success, rescue from impending evil and help arriving like strong horse.
Legge: The first line, magnetic, shows its subject engaged in rescuing from the impending evil and having the assistance of a strong horse. There will be good fortune.
Wilhelm/Baynes: He brings help with the strength of a horse. Good fortune.
59.3 - This line is about dissolving self interest for the sake of others. Without regret.
Legge: The third line, magnetic, shows its subject discarding any regard to her own person. There will be no occasion for repentance.
Wilhelm/Baynes: He dissolves his self. No remorse.
59.4 - Auspicious line. By dissolving your bonds with your group, you create a bigger group. And that ordinary people do not think of something like this. He dissolves cliques. He dissolves his own property. He casts his bread upon the waters.
Legge: The fourth line, magnetic, shows its subject scattering the different parties in the state, which leads to great good fortune. From the dispersion she collects again good men standing out, a crowd like a mound, which is what ordinary men would not have thought of.
Wilhelm/Baynes: He dissolves his bond with his group. Supreme good fortune. Dispersion leads in turn to accumulation. This is something that ordinary men do not think of.
In the commentary of 59.4 Legge says: "She (He) brings divisive partisanship to an end, and re-assembles those who had been divided into a great body so that they stand out conspicuously like a hill."
Like a "Shining City on a hill" perhaps?

I think this describes a clear win like a flood, and a fundamental realignment and expansion of the Republican Party, that will resolve partisanship through a new broad group of people.

- LL

 

[Viru10]

In the commentary of 59.4 Legge says: "She (He) brings divisive partisanship to an end, and re-assembles those who had been divided into a great body so that they stand out conspicuously like a hill."

Hmm that would be pretty out of character. I get the impression that he would rather crush people who don't approve of him (pyshically via his followers). In contrast I've been looking back over Reagan speeches (before my time) and he almost sounds like a typical Democrat today; worlds apart in a few short decades.

Maybe the lack of worry about re-election will make the President change his tone. I'm not betting on it. It would be fascinating if that happened though.

Though I do agree he will likely win.

 

[diamanda]

We are just a couple hours away to Check on this!

I was quite tongue-in-cheek when I wrote that and don't forget that 2020 is still ongoing.
I've got recent predictions in my thread in Open Space if you're interested - it looks like we should really, really wait for the count to be completed.

 

[Viru10]

I think 53. 1 may have been referring to the formal process that's now taking shape, especially the push to toss out mail-in ballots in Pennsylvania. I see the outcome as more of a chess match, RGB dying at an extremely convenient time so that even if the mail-in ballots tilt blue (which they did flip some states early morning) the supreme court could be triggered to decide the election and the court now favors the President.

The Republican legislature in my state (PA) prevented the state from starting the mail-in count early unlike many other states, meaning they were forced to start counting the mail-in ballots on election day. I get the impression the strategists knew this and used it intentionally as a way to invalidate the mail in votes that would slowly tip certain states (as it already has done). The President would rather those votes not get counted as they don't favor him, but he still seems to want to complete the count in Arizona where it could (???).

53 has been said to be a more formal/structured development rather than the simple waiting of Hexagram 5. So 53.1 could be pointing to the drawn-out legal battle to throw out ballots and this would certainly draw ire or 'talk', though i can't figure how this will play out (in who's favor). Based on the AP predictions right now Biden will still win even if he doesn't get Pennsylvania, but by a razor thin margin of 270-263

I think the President's chances lie in strategically throwing out mail-in ballots in specific states. Something he likely planned ahead of time.

 

[Matali]

53.1-37 : No, Trump is not going to be president again. He's going to keep bothering his family...

 

[Lavalamp]

Well given the current uncertainty, on reflection it looks the line saying "help arriving like a strong horse" indicates there will be a need for help. Perhaps his legal team with former Attorney Generals, US Attorneys, Former Director Of National Intelligence...

SO... Anyway being nervous (you all know my political views) I thought I'd be clever and ask the Yi a NOT a yes or no question. Which was "Will Trump prevail in the election or will he have to leave the White House?" My thinking, the Yi could answer with the image of someone going home, like it did regarding democrats losing the house in 2016, or offer an image of someone being successful, or even someone winning a contest and having his belt stripped from him before the end of the day.
But instead the the Yi said "No." Just "No."
Hex 12 unchanging, the most "no" of no answer hexes in the whole Yi!
Now *this* is problematic. No to what? No he doesn't win, or no he doesn't leave the white house?
So I thought about it - and then I had laugh. It really is a kind of humorous, funny answer when you're trying to be clever and not ask a yes/no question.
It has to mean no to both. No he will not win the election count. But no he will not leave the Whitehouse either, perhaps because when the election is adjudicated in court over the fraud and violations of election laws, he will remain as President. Possibly?

Ok that was yesterday. And that was not a very good question I was thinking, so I rephrased.
"Does Trump win the election - in totals and/or in court?"
And I got - 46.3.4.5 > 47.
47 as context - oh how bleak and forlorn the solitary tree looks inside the walls, surrounded by the marsh!
46.3 - Legge: The third line, dynamic, shows its subject ascending upwards as into an empty city. - Line three describes the bold and fearless advance of its subject. According to the K'ang-hsi editors, there is a shade of condemnation here. He is too bold, "he has no doubt or hesitation," but is presuming rather on his strength.
46.4 - Wilhelm/Baynes: The king offers him Mount Chi. Good fortune. No blame.
- Legge: This is the place of a great minister, in immediate contact with the ruler, who confides in him and raises him to the highest distinction as a feudal prince.
Wing: Your progress is amplified. It is now possible for your ambitions to be fulfilled. Continue in your principles and hold to sound traditions.
46.5 - Legge: The fifth line, magnetic, shows its subject firmly correct, and therefore enjoying good fortune. She ascends the stairs with all due ceremony.
Confucius/Legge: She is firmly correct, and will therefore enjoy good fortune. She ascends the stairs with all due ceremony and grandly succeeds in her aim.

So ok, things look bleak for our manchild Donald J Trump. But the readings in his favor according my understanding double down on him remaining POTUS. He is in the right, if a bit brash and bold, he has helpers that amplify his progress in a somewhat spiritual dimension even, and he progresses to the place of ruler, ascending the stairs with all due ceremony.

Of course I could be wrong!... Lol. It is a nail biter.

- LL

 

[moonviewer]

When I asked for an image of Trump as president, I got 56 unchanging.

If that's not an image of moving on, I don't know what is.

 

[Lavalamp]

When I asked for an image of Trump as president, I got 56 unchanging.

If that's not an image of moving on, I don't know what is.

Consider your question. You asked for an image of him AS President.
And it is certainly true that:
1. No one is President forever, they move on. (56 the Traveller, The Wanderer)
2. Trump is most certainly a "transitional" figure in American politics (56 Transition, the Newcomer, the Outsider.)
Transitional for a number of reasons, for example
a. More minorities voted for Trump for President in 2020, than for any Republican in 60 years.
b. A record number of Republican women elected to the Congress.
c. The Republican party has become the Party of the working and middle class, which is a fundamental realignment of the political parties.

You could be right - but try asking another question.

- LL

 

[moonviewer]

Consider your question. You asked for an image of him AS President.
And it is certainly true that:
1. No one is President forever, they move on. (56 the Traveller, The Wanderer)
2. Trump is most certainly a "transitional" figure in American politics (56 Transition, the Newcomer, the Outsider.)
Trasnsitional for a number of reasons, for example
a. More minorities voted for Trump for President in 2020, than for any Republican in 60 years.
b. A record number of Republican women elected to the Congress.
c. The Republican party ahs become the Party of the working and middle class, which is a fundamental realignment of the political parties.

You could be right - but try ask another question.

- LL

I'll wait and see!

 

[MaggWay]

Today is the Sunday after the election, and the announcement that Joe Biden is the president elect. I read about possible court battles scheduled regarding the legitimacy of the election and voter fraud. I had not read this post, when I cast today "Will Trump still be the president next term?" A: H53 / lines 1 and 5 / H22. My initial kind of gut reaction from the reading was 'yes - after a slow climb and initial hindrances.' I had planned to look into an interpretation more deeply - as my first gut reactions to readings are not always correct - or complete. As I pondered this, I wondered about other's prediction questions that had asked about who won the election. What if the scenario (and this is just exploring possible scenarios - not flowing with any bias) was that Biden is announced the winner, but then voter fraud is identified and Trump remains president. A similar thing happened with Gore, when 37 days after being declared winner, Bush was then declared the victor. I wondered how answers from the Yi might reflect this hypothetical change of circumstance. That's when I came upon this post and question. Since I received a similar response, I wanted to go ahead and explain my thinking thus far - without any specific prediction or interpretation. It has been interesting to compare this same reading with the comments in this post - from almost a month ago.

 

[Trojina]

Yes soon if not tomorrow. My final reading indicates I think a landslide for Trump. It is mostly 59 "The Flood" which is a pretty close analogy to a landslide I think.

No, no land slide

And to the initial question Trump, as we now know will not be president beyond 2020.

 

[moss elk]

Of course, we know that 59 means:
he gets Scattered, Dispersed,
& Goes Away.

 

[MaggWay]

Well - its not over till the fat lady sings - or the Supreme Court rules. It is certainly conceivable that there is corruption in government and the voting process. Whether it will effect the results is yet to be known. Alot can happen before the final count. This humorous video clears up the US election process:

 

[rosada]

Will Trump still be president next term?

53.1 A transition into new territory. No safe place until agreement is reached. -Hilary

Perhaps refers to him refusing to go until he can cut a deal that protects him from all the lawsuits waiting for him when he leaves the White House.

53.5
Wild geese gradually progress to the ancestral grave-mounds.
The wife is not pregnant for three years.
In the end, nothing can prevent it. Good fortune. - Hilary

He gradually accepts that his place among the other past presidents.
He can't regain his position for at least three years.
But then nothing can prevent him from running again in 2024.
Good fortune for us all (at least for now!).

22. Beautiful Illusion.
He's a legend in his own mind....

 

[Hypnotist Collector]

I posted a reading about the election and it was rather rudely moved to the Open Spaces page (that page no one knows exists) for being “too controversial.” The question was who will win the election, not controversial. It felt like censorship, dismissive to along-time participant here, and a terrible way to handle relevant questions about a crirical time in world events. Why is this question permitted here?

 

[moss elk]

It was done to several political threads before yours, it is not an indication of persecution. It is permitted because it is the choice of the owner, a house preference.

The only problem is that it hasn't been consistently applied.

@Hilary may want to move this thread.

 

[Matali]

Will Trump still be president next term?

53.1 A transition into new territory. No safe place until agreement is reached. -Hilary

Perhaps refers to him refusing to go until he can cut a deal that protects him from all the lawsuits waiting for him when he leaves the White House.

53.5
Wild geese gradually progress to the ancestral grave-mounds.
The wife is not pregnant for three years.
In the end, nothing can prevent it. Good fortune. - Hilary

He gradually accepts that his place among the other past presidents.
He can't regain his position for at least three years.
But then nothing can prevent him from running again in 2024.
Good fortune for us all (at least for now!).

22. Beautiful Illusion.
He's a legend in his own mind....

22 : he will continue to play golf and that's it !

 

[hilary]

It was done to several political threads before yours, it is not an indication of persecution. It is permitted because it is the choice of the owner, a house preference.

The only problem is that it hasn't been consistently applied.

@Hilary may want to move this thread.

Good point, thank you. On its way.

 

[Lavalamp]

So we can discuss for all to see the most mundane of subjects, where the outcome is often far less than clear, but the largest of issues where the outcome is plain and our interpretations clearly right or wrong, we have to hide it away under a rock?
Are we grown ups or are we children? Sorry Hillary, but this is kind of asinine. As long as people are being civil it is ridiculous to hide readings on politics under a rock - which is exactly what you are doing.

- LL

 

[Lavalamp]

Anyway.
I asked a follow up, "what will the result of the controversial Georgia recount be?" It will be counted all by hand, no machine counting, and with clear representation from both parties - unlike it is alleged, on election day.
21.4.6 > 24.
24 I would take as a return to something more authentic.
21 is the hex of lawsuits as we all have seen, "Biting through."
21.4 - Biting into old meat, receiving metal arrows and money, good fortune through perseverance.
In this line you don't know everything when you start, you find out by doing.
21.6 - This is a line about ignoring repeated warnings, and evil accumulating to where it is unpardonable.
Sound to me like serious problems will be uncovered.

All my readings on this subject have gone against the grain of conventional wisdom.
Not trying to make the Yi look bad or anything. It is a bit of a challenge.

- LL