will we get rid of the coronavirus? hexagram 51.1>16

[diidii]

hexagram 51 speaks of shock with the variation of the first line makes me think of a yes, the first line says: there will be upheaval but then joking words will come. I have two ways to interpret it (according to my point of view) 1- it will be prolonged by something that will shock us but afterwards it will get better (so I take it as a "not immediately"
2 yes, we will get rid of the coronavirus. how do you interpret it?

 

[diamanda]

In my experience, 51.1 > 16 means "we thought it was a shock that we'll soon laugh off, but it's not".

 

[marybluesky]

I'd say yes, but after going through much fear and terror.

 

[Liselle]

It says after the shock there is laughing and good fortune.

There are vaccines now, we can see the light at the end of the tunnel, at least.

In other words I agree with your 2nd idea, Diidii. But it's not all over quite yet.

 

[diidii]

In my experience, 51.1 > 16 means "we thought it was a shock that we'll soon laugh off, but it's not".

ok so I interpret it (according to your interpretation) as a "no" right? can you explain to me which part of the text led you to this conclusion?

 

[diidii]

It says after the shock there is laughing and good fortune.

There are vaccines now, we can see the light at the end of the tunnel, at least.

In other words I agree with your 2nd idea, Diidii. But it's not all over quite yet.

in short, everything is still very premature, do you think you can understand how soon we will get rid of it? should i ask a follow-up question about timing?

 

[diidii]

I'd say yes, but after going through much fear and terror.

that scares me

 

[diamanda]

ok so I interpret it (according to your interpretation) as a "no" right? can you explain to me which part of the text led you to this conclusion?

Only experience led me to this conclusion. Something appears to be a minor shock which you'll laugh off, but 16, it's an illusion (that it would only be a minor shock).

 

[Liselle]

Only experience led me to this conclusion.

Crouch does say it's nervous laughter...

Is the experience anything you can share at all, Diamanda?

 

[Viru10]

51.1 for me has usually showed up as a period of anticipation and fear followed by some kind of relief. I received it in contractual readings where everything ended up working out OK.

Not sure how it would map to a global pandemic reading though, perhaps there may be an initial fear that the vaccines won't work but in the end things work out and the pandemic resolves.

 

[diamanda]

Crouch does say it's nervous laughter...

Is the experience anything you can share at all, Diamanda?

Nervous laughter sounds quite right.
Sorry I wouldn't like to share precise details, I got this combination quite a lot as related to an old semi-relationship I had with someone for less than a year. I was optimistic at the time that I got this cast, that it could maybe work out. It was an illusion, there was no way it could work out in any beneficial way and that guy was fooling me. He was quite virus-like

 

[Liselle]

But you ended the relationship with your virus boyfriend. Hasn't that been good fortune?

 

[diamanda]

It was bad fortune to ever have met that man, a complete waste of my precious time on totally unnecessary heartache. Hence, I never expect any good result when I see 51.1 > 16, because the shock is truly not something to laugh off.

 

[Liselle]

I see your point.

Maybe it's like PTSD. The scars/anxiety/aftereffects remain even when the active threat is gone.

 

[pizzabec]

hexagram 51 speaks of shock with the variation of the first line makes me think of a yes, the first line says: there will be upheaval but then joking words will come. I have two ways to interpret it (according to my point of view) 1- it will be prolonged by something that will shock us but afterwards it will get better (so I take it as a "not immediately"
2 yes, we will get rid of the coronavirus. how do you interpret it?

Well this is interesting!
I asked what was the value in remaining unvaccinated for coronavirus.
I got 51.1 to 16 as well!
LMAO! (Nervous laughter)

 

[stuart]

I have noticed that hexagram 21 line 3 had been encountered for readings about the corona virus vaccines A moving line in the third position of 21-3 suggests that the punishment is being carried out by someone who lacks the necessary authority. This makes a correction unlikely. The evil that has been done has a long history, and dealing with it is difficult. The punishment is likely to arouse great resentment. The enforcer should be reassured by knowing that the punishment was necessary and the outcome inevitable .This seems to suggest that something greater is behind this, maybe those who have authority over us, Governments, World health organisation, etc, are not totally to blame, but are also part of something that has been corrupt for a long time. Perhaps we need some great change to rebalance our eco, political and social system. This was necessary and will bring resentment but there's nothing we can do, The virus is not what it seems, the vaccines also, but it changes everything in ways we are soon to find out, with something different, but still essentially corrupt at its core.

 

[dfreed]

21-3 suggests that the punishment is being carried out by someone who lacks the necessary authority. This makes a correction unlikely.

Gee, I have never thought about it like this, but perhaps you are correct! So, if I've done my 'own research' correctly, those 'lacking authority' here include a make-believe Fairy Tale creature called Q-anon - and we now have tens of millions of people believing in fairy tales and made-up crap!

And that another of those 'lacking authority' is our recently removed President 'stable genius about everything' Trump, who lied to us here in the US about COVID on an almost daily basis, and even admitted that he lied to us, but said it was for our own good! - and still (even now!), tens of millions of people still believe his lies and made-up crap!

So I think you are correct - and we can draw only one conclusion from this: that these make-believe, lying, selfish beings, Q and Trump are 'part of something that has been corrupt for a long time'.

Or ... maybe the 'corruption' here is someone thinking that their own limited, biased, and dumbed-down views of COVID, science, and government are going to somehow yield something resembling the truth about COVID and our situation.

That's not only corrupt, and a Q fairy tale, but it's just plain messed up!

D

 

[susieq777]

I think the question is a little dubious because you don't get rid of a virus, you adapt to it. Anyway, it's becoming endemic now, as all viruses do, so hurrah, we don't need to be forced to take jabs whose clinical trials are actually being run in real time. Omicron comes, joy and laughter, till the next manipulation and biggest upwards transfer of wealth in history. Happy, happy, joy, joy.

 

[redoleander]

I would really have to agree with Diamant’s interpretation here in the context of the virus because, at least here in the U.S., that’s exactly what so many people did this past spring and summer. Decided it was just a quick scare, all good now, stopped masking, etc. You even have people saying things like Omicron will “end the virus” even though it’s clearly mutating into increasingly dangerous forms. Practicing eugenics and so on. And obviously it’s become much worse.

I could see that in the long term, too, given that many people who had “mild” COVID acutely now have long COVID and deteriorating conditions as a result of having the virus. I would have to agree with someone like Bradford Hatcher in this case, that lines being auspicious and inauspicious can be a red herring. I think it’s ok to say a pandemic is objectively bad (especially since we are not responding to it by doing the right things, in most of the world anyway. obviously China, Taiwan, Japan, New Zealand, Vietnam etc are doing fine) —

perhaps the whole thing, overall, will be like this too in the sense that it will be a terrible memory for those of us who lived through it, like a war, but life will go on. As it does. That said… “good fortune”? If you survive, sure. I’d rather not minimize the terrible toll of the dead and the sick.

Maybe we *could* have good fortune if we genuinely responded to the shock, as they did in China for example, but we seem to be more like 51.4 in the U.S. and UK.

 

[diamant]

you don't get rid of a virus, you adapt to it. Anyway, it's becoming endemic now, as all viruses do

That is historically and factually incorrect.

 

[diamant]

“good fortune”? If you survive, sure.

Yes that would definitely be good fortune!
I think the cast describes exactly what happened in most Western countries. At the beginning (as this being the first line shows) we heard nonsense like 'it's like the flu', 'we'll all soon develop natural herd immunity', 'just wash your hands', 'no masks are needed', 'this will be over by summer', etc etc. So many people laughed it off with relief. But they were fooled (16). The sad truth is that the more it's left wild in such huge numbers of infections, the more (and eventually more deadly) variants will appear. When a shock first appears, it's not a good idea to laugh it off straight away.

 

[rosada]

I was just noticing how when the bottom line of the bottom trigram of hexagram 51. changes, the resulting hexagram, 16, looks very similar, but with only one thunder trigram rather than two. This suggests to me the feeling of something that at first is a shock at 51, then calms down and feels like less of a jolt and more like a dance by 16.
So I'm saying this is telling us that covid is here but ultimately we manage to accept it and dance around it.

 

[marybluesky]

That said… “good fortune”? If you survive, sure.

As the question is about "we"- the human race in general & not a particular person- I read it as yes, the human race survives it & while its bad memory remains in minds, life will go on.

I remember in the early days of pandemic people feard that the Covid will lead to our extinction which I couldn't take seriously as historically, no pandemic has done so & scientifically, no virus can have its initial effect forever.

(Personally I'm not a fan of human race, I find it the most destructive phenomenon on the earth that not only destroys the planet & the life of other species, but its members have no mercy for each other. Just look at this forum and see what happens to people who are a little optimist regarding others' actions.

I have no intention to procreate. And I see motherhood as an ugly, huge injustice. When the basis of being is such a cruelty, what one can expect?

Logically, I think the extinction of humans would benefit all. Only remains the survival instinct & loved-ones and blah blah.
Just a personal view).

 

[rosada]

"I am not a fan of the human race." I like the way you phrase that. It suggests the possibility that Higher Consciousness has taken on human form to come to earth just like a person might put on a space suit to walk on the moon, and thus one might say of being in human form, "This space suit has some dangerous design flaws, I don't think we should continue to manufacture it."
I think the biggest "flaw" in the human space suit is it's inability to connect those who are not in human form. Some of us are able to commune with plants and animals and some even get messages from discarnate beings but the majority of us are limited to a the very limited bandwidth of the human space suit which can only perceive through the five senses. Why is this and how can we expand our receptivity beyond physical reality? Searching for a cure for covid may be what finally spurs mankind to recognize his "design flaws" and drop his resistance to working together with those of a different race or religion and out of desperation start sharing all knowledge which leads to recognizing knowledge doesn't just come from other people but also from plants, animals, angels etc. and as we become more accepting of these sources we find ways to communicate more clearly, such as the I Ching, which I think of as being like a telephone to communicate with Higher Mind.

 

[Olga Super Star]

it's becoming endemic now, as all viruses do, so hurrah, we don't need to be forced to take jabs whose clinical trials are actually being run in real time.

Many countries are actually discussing mandatory vaccination following this increasing in numbers. So the more endemic, the more they are pushing people to vaccinate.

 

[rosada]

Olga, I'm wondering how your mom is. Has her arm recovered from the vaccine reaction?

 

[my_key]

Will we get rid of coronavirus? 51.1 <> 16

The guidance of the image of 51 says something like 'the noble one transforms fear and anxiety by reflecting and rebalancing'. So that, I think, is the path that needs to be taken, not so much to get rid of it but more to re-imagine the threats it offers. If we are able to look at it from a context of 'joyous response' (16) rather than fear and suspicion then we will rid ourselves of the the hold it hason us mentally and emotionally.

51.1 First there is fear as everything is turned upside down. Then this is followed by a more balanced light-hearted perspective.

The coronavirus has mutated through various forms: original to alpha to delta to omicron (there may be more). Each mutation has brought a greater level of transmission (contagion) and with it a lesser level of virulence.
With these qualities acting together the natural way of the virus is that infectious cases have risen and hospitalisations and deaths have decreased, over time.

Driving at the root of 51 is 39 Hardship (Limping) which carries with it a challenge to be introspective and self reflective such that one can stay balanced and grounded in your virtue. Perhaps it will be difficult to get rid of the virus and Yi may well be pointing here towards how to get rid of the fear of the virus.

... or it may mean nothing at all like this.

Good Luck

 

[rosada]

The Image for 16 talks about making music and asking the ancestors to be present. I think as the covid crisis continues we're going to see people going to alternative remedies like sound therapy and prayer.

 

[my_key]

The Image for 16 talks about making music and asking the ancestors to be present. I think as the covid crisis continues we're going to see people going to alternative remedies like sound therapy and prayer.

It does allude to those things.
In UK the crisis has now become one of overload to the National Health Service. Waiting lists for surgery and appointments have grown; waiting times for A&E treatment extended; ambulances queueing outside hospitals with people remaining inside and admission times to hospital, after be being first diagnosed, can be up to 16 hours (lying on a gurney in a corridor is the fate of many).
These are not just omicron affected patients but mostly patients with other, more life threatening conditions.

The 'joyous response' of 16 could lie more in people regaining their power, taking matters into their own hands more, such that the community will become better positioned to bring pressure on the negative effects of omicron and provide what is needed to reduce the suffering it has brought.

Erasing / reducing it's effects is a great way to get rid of it.

... or it might be nothing like that at all.