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Hi
Seems like life is happening all at once and its overwhelming.
I am just started out with I Ching, and now have Hilary's book which i am reading with interest.

Life has been pretty rough recently and I have been unhappy, everything I do turns out bad. Just left one job for another. I work in care and both me and my partner started in a new home a few weeks ago at the same time. It has been pretty miserable and the care standards are very low and residents are not treated like people at all or looked after. My partner has just left, walked out, and now I am unsure what to do as I know I will get the stick for his leaving but money is an issue.
I asked what would be my best course of action and got 31.1 > 49

I have a hard time understanding 31, is the main point the 1st changing line, as in the book it talks about the stirrings of new possibilities of change but nothing solid, just the first urges.
However I really do not understand the hexagram and its meaning of "influence".

49 meaning radical change, letting go of the old to make way for the new seems positive to leave and look for something else.

How do you tie all the different messages and parts together, no matter how much I sit in stillness with it I get more and more confused.
Thanks for any insight and help.
 

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I really admire my friends convictions to stand by his beliefs and take a stand up for what he believes in even though it will be difficult, could this be the influence, I want to stand by my convictions but am scared.
 

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Hi Dharam,

I agree with you that Hex 31 has always been one of the more difficult for me to understand as well. I usually take it to mean that there is a two-way flow here; you can influence your situation, and your situation influences you in turn. The main thing here is as far as I see to stay open to your intuition.

Hex 31 to me also represents a pointer to let your emotions take a leading role and use your rational mind in support of that:
Wilhelm says: "In courtship, the masculine principle must seize the initiative and place itself below the feminine principle." and "The weak element is above, the strong below; hence their powers attract each
other, so that they unite. This brings about success, for all success depends on
the effect of mutual attraction."

What is your inner feeling about the situation? You should listen to that, and form a workable set of actions accordingly. Like searching for a new and better job, while still holding out for now in the old and unsatisfying one.
The changing Hex 49 would indicate that by following your intuition in the best way you see possible, a radical change will happen. So take heart, and prepare yourself for big changes coming!
All the best

maui
 

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Thanks Maui

That has really helped. I have however decided to leave. I can't be apart of the way they are treating the elderly in their care. Think I am done with care work so will have a radical change in my type of work .
 

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Hi Dharam,

good for you! I agree that if a work situation goes totally contrary to your convictions and values, then you are better off without it. Great that you made this difficult decision.
all the best for the radical change (49)!


maui
 

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Thanks Maui

That has really helped. I have however decided to leave. I can't be apart of the way they are treating the elderly in their care. Think I am done with care work so will have a radical change in my type of work .

I wonder if you'd mind letting us know when you have actually left ? The reason I ask is that I'd take 31.1 as someone thinking about doing something but the influence is only in the toes and so it's early for action...so I'd think although you want to leave you probably wouldn't actually do it for a while yet. If you are going to act on this decision immediately then it changes my view of 31.1.
 

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Hi Trojina

The situation is that I have called in sick as the manager is off till Monday. I will talk to her on Monday and share my concerns and quit. I know that I can't go back though as the attitude of abuse there is so ingrained and they don't even realise how bad they are mistreaing residents.
So when I got 31.1 I did think that I should wait it out but the positive influence of my friend and the negative influence of the work place gave me no other choice even though finances is a worry.
Will let you know how it goes.
 

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Hi Trojina

The situation is that I have called in sick as the manager is off till Monday. I will talk to her on Monday and share my concerns and quit. I know that I can't go back though as the attitude of abuse there is so ingrained and they don't even realise how bad they are mistreaing residents.
So when I got 31.1 I did think that I should wait it out but the positive influence of my friend and the negative influence of the work place gave me no other choice even though finances is a worry.
Will let you know how it goes.

I see, thanks. FWIW I don't think anyone should ever leave a job because their friend left. I mean in my mind what he did shouldn't influence your choice, you need the money. Also you use the word 'abuse' and of course if there is actual abuse then you have to report it rather than just walk away. I don't think walking away is an effective form of protest here as they will simply fill your positions quite quickly. If you see vulnerable people abused you have a duty to report it. Maybe by 'abuse' you simply mean a lack of interest ?

I do sympathise though because I worked in such places for an agency years ago. Some were pleasant some not so pleasant. I never saw actual abuse I only saw staff being perhaps more indifferent/uncaring than would be hoped. However I also enjoyed some aspects of the work because of course one has the capacity to make life just that little bit more pleasant for the residents.

Anyway the answer of 31.1 shows a fairly weak influence to leave...as if it were something you were half thinking of. Maybe that reflected your thoughts at the time. I'm not convinced you will leave just yet. I think you would be better to be less influenced by your partner here.

You know the situation best of course.
 

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This might be one of those situations in which I would ask a couple of other questions in order to get clarity. For example, you could ask,

1. "What if I leave the job as soon as possible?" and
2. "What if I leave the job when I have another one lined up?"

Based on your feelings, it seems in either case that your attention needs to be put towards finding another source of income as soon as possible, i.e., coming to meet your need for money.
 

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Hi thanks for your suggestions and input.
No I'm not leaving just because my friend has left. I was really unhappy there and am getting too old to be that miserable in my job. I know it will get worse now my friend left as I will get the backlash for it.
They do treat he residents badly. The deputy manager calling residents b...tards to all staff in handover and residents just told to sit down and shut up all day and left soiled is not good, these just some examples much more going on. I will report it to manager but cqc are not very effective in these matters.

I did ask another question. I am a therapist and practice acupuncture. Use to have a busy clinic but have moved areas so am starting again. Another reason for leaving is that I really want to build it up again but doing other work takes energy away.
So I asked what if I focused solely on acupuncture instead of getting another job.
I got 64.2.4 > 23.
I got confused by the Fox crossing the river. Is it good to cross safely or not to cross at all either way seems like I will have to find some other work with talk of putting brakes on and moving forward slowly but carefully.
I did not understand 23 through, striping away at all. Will need to sit with it. Any suggestions?
Thanks
 

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Also asked what if I leave the job as soon add possible.
Got 51.6 > 21
will research and sit with these
 

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When you had your busy clinic did you start the business while you had another job or did you put all of your energy into the business?

Do you have enough money to last a while for when you start up your own business?

Could you write up a business plan and get a business loan?

64.2.4 > 23 Not yet Crossing to Stripping Away

Perhaps the 23 is referring to stripping away the miserable job.
 

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For what it's worth, the "yang operator" for H 51.6 is H 23. I seem to remember Hilary telling me that the "yang operator" is the way into the situation. That makes sense. If you split apart from the job you will have 51.6 > 21.

The "yin" operator or the "way out" of 51.6 is H 43.

It is interesting to me because the Yang operator of your first casting about this situation (H 31.1) is H 24 and the "yin operator" is H 44.

I think Maui's advise to listen to your intuition is "right on". To me H 24 is often about that.

Fear can interfere with intuition.
Take care not to allow the way you proceed to be based on fear.

Again, as Maui has said elsewhere, this is a big decision and you should make it carefully without letting us influence you too much. Of course, we hope our thoughts will be helpful and not interfere with you connecting with your own sense of knowing.
 

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Thanks jumpingmouse
I am new to the I ching and not heard of the yin and yang operators before. Will look into it.
I concentrated solely on acupuncture as I didn't have a job when I graduated so just went for it. I don't have a lot if money to tie me over so it is a worry.
My feelings is that I am comprising myself doing jobs that turn out rubbish and not following my passion and what I love. I find it so hard to do both.
I just thinking if I don't do it now i never will.
 

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It sounds as though concentrating solely on acupuncture worked well for you before. Why not trust that?
 

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Why not? What is the worst thing that can happen?

And regarding:

So I asked what if I focused solely on acupuncture instead of getting another job.
I got 64.2.4 > 23.
I got confused by the Fox crossing the river. Is it good to cross safely or not to cross at all either way seems like I will have to find some other work with talk of putting brakes on and moving forward slowly but carefully.
I did not understand 23 through, striping away at all. Will need to sit with it. Any suggestions?

I will be interested in how you come to understand 63.2.4 > 23 for your situation.

You might look at this thread --- http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/friends/showthread.php?15130-64-2-4
On it pocossin makes a couple of comments I like about risk. Sometimes it is worth it to take a risk.

What is the "demon country" you may have to deal with in line 4? Is it your fear?
"Rewards in the great city" in three years sounds good for starting a practice. It may take 3-5 years for a business to really start running. Although I will say that I have a friend who started an acupuncture practice and started having success right away.
 

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Is it possible to find an employed position as an acupuncturist where you would have guaranteed income from the beginning?
 

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and a few more thoughts...

Re:
I am a therapist and practice acupuncture. Use to have a busy clinic but have moved areas so am starting again. Another reason for leaving is that I really want to build it up again but doing other work takes energy away.

It seems as though there are more than a couple of options for you. You can leave the awful job suddenly suddenly (H 51) or you can leave gradually, etc.

Have you been doing any acupuncture at all in addition to the other job?
Would starting a practice one day a week be possible while you continue a little with the awful job? That might allow you to guess how long it may take to build up your practice. If you started filling one day right away it might give you confidence.

Can you go to part time at the awful job just to keep a bit of income guarantee?

Can you get a business loan for starting the acupuncture practice?

My quick take on your 51.6 reading is that it would be more of a shock to your employer than to you. The H 21 reflects in a way "punishing" them for the bad conditions.

What do you think the "words of marital alliance" are about in H 51.6?
Is it about making a commitment to your acupuncture work?
 

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I am feeling like perhaps I have written too much when you had already reached a decision.
I don't want to be a wheel dragging you back. And so I want to echo what maui said earlier:


good for you! I agree that if a work situation goes totally contrary to your convictions and values, then you are better off without it. Great that you made this difficult decision.
all the best for the radical change (49)!
 

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I think your answers suggest you don't have to leave yet. if you want to of course then it is up to you but
for this

Also asked what if I leave the job as soon add possible.
Got 51.6 > 21
will research and sit with these It simply says to me you don't need to leave yet if you don't want to. This may sound odd because I suppose that's obvious....but maybe somehow you feel you have to leave now ?

Purely going by the readings here I'd say there's no big rush. 51.6 suggests a bit of a hoo haa, trouble and strife has been going on but actually it's not much to do with you. If you want you can carry on a while and let it pass over. In fact 51.6 makes one feel this sense of urgency there's such a fuss going on with others but actually you can just go on if you want.



So I asked what if I focused solely on acupuncture instead of getting another job.
I got 64.2.4 > 23.
I got confused by the Fox crossing the river. Is it good to cross safely or not to cross at all either way seems like I will have to find some other work with talk of putting brakes on and moving forward slowly but carefully.
I did not understand 23 through, striping away at all. Will need to sit with it. Any suggestions?
Thanks

Well this answer seems to clearly suggest the experience of feeling held back is not a bad thing here. What does Yi say ;

'Your wheels dragged back.
Constancy, good fortune.' (from Hilary's book)


So your experience of frustration here is 'good fortune'.. ?? Line 4 seems to say the time is coming for you to deal with all the old things that hold you back.

I don't call the change patterns 'yang operators' ... I call them the yang change pattern and the yin change pattern. People call them different things. In this reading yang pattern is 40, yin pattern 37. I see the 40 as the need for release from this, not sure about the 37. allocating things their own role perhaps.


You might keep this job just for the sake of the money because it isn't time yet for you to cross the river into rebuilding your own practice.

Frankly none of your casts scream 'leave now' neither do they scream 'do not leave' so this is very much down to your judgement. I am thinking if you were sure about leaving why would you hesitate so much, go off sick then wait to speak to the manager. Why wouldn't you just leave ? I'm guessing maybe so you don't lose pay.

Also you could perhaps ask to cut hours rather than leave maybe ?
 

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I am feeling like perhaps I have written too much when you had already reached a decision.
I don't want to be a wheel dragging you back

Well we are reading what Yi says so you aren't the wheel dragging back....that was the actual answer for this person. Also the translation does say it is 'good fortune' that the wheels are dragged back, though frustrating. They aren't readings screaming 'leave' or 'don't leave' IMO so here the person cannot escape their own choice, it's up to her/him (sorry don't know which)



If they were my readings I'd hold fire a while because the job may be serving longer term objectives. That is in order to proceed with re building the practice a little time is needed for some reason before going ahead.

However if you are desperately unhappy Dharam then there is nothing wrong about leaving. I don't feel it will impact hugely on you if you leave because the readings aren't terribly 'forceful' for want of a better word.

To my mind both 31.1 and 51.6 show you are being influenced but that influence is not really enough to move you unless you want to be moved. The 64.2.4 confirms hanging fire a while but progress seems to be made against long term struggles in 64.4 so I'd say things are coming to resolution but perhaps not just yet.

However as I said before if you feel you cannot go on then leave. This really is a matter of your choice. Some clusters of readings show more of an imperative. I don't think these answers do.
 

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