would like to know..

[meganj]

what does it mean when you have gotten pretty much every hexagram over the past 12 months? :S I ask because the past year has brought MANY changes and I think I have gotten almost every hexagram.
Also I was wondering what a nuclear hexagram is.. I was reading a bit about it, but it sounds a bit difficult, like how do you figure out what hexagram goes to another to make the nuclear hex?
ALSO last question, what does it mean when you go from once hex to the next one up like 12>13 is there some relation between the two because theyre close in numbers so the situation would be the exact opposite as the one before or does that only happen with some and its not like a sequence sort of thing?
Any and all help would be great,
Thanks
Megan

 

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If you've gotten every hexagram of the book, I would say it only is significant if you had been doing it on regular cycles of time. Otherwise I would not say that is significant. As I see it every hexagram of the book is happening all the time everywhere.

If it were on regular cycles, and not in question to anything but the same interval of time each divination without any subject or value except that time period as a sample. Then I would say you have gone through a total cycle of the sequence of the changes. ...

And I really don't see anything much special about that really pops up at me, but one could say it's fate working here or just attestation to the fact that you've changed. Now your older and wiser most likely.

If you get 12 -> 13 then your just following the regular cycle of the King Wen Sequence. Which some speculate is the landscape of linear time.

I've tried to use the Yijing myself as some kind of spiritual path. And found it totally empty. The Yijing does not want to tell you what to do, or where you are going as some outside guiding force of a guardian angel. It does not want anything but TAO. And if you want to find the TAO all you have to do is find yourself. And since for each person that is different, the Yijing will only help you find yourself and weed out bullshit and lies or wasted efforts. But as far as it goes alone, it does not really have much to offer except detachment, and surrender. Which is in my opinion only 1 half at most of any spiritual path. When it comes to actually doing something and exerting your will. The Yijing has no idea what to do and leaves that up to you. It may say that you need to do something, but it has no idea what it is as far as I can see. And that in my opinion is not a spiritual path. Just a spiritual tool.

 

[elias]

@megani:

Getting the full cycle of hexes -- at least you're not stuck! Lots of changes, lots of things to learn.

A discussion from some years back on nuclear hexagrams: http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/friends/showthread.php?t=107

...what does it mean when you go from once hex to the next one up like 12>13 is there some relation between the two because theyre close in numbers so the situation would be the exact opposite as the one before or does that only happen with some and its not like a sequence sort of thing?

Any hex can transform into any other hex, so, particularly with only a few changing lines, there's nothing especially remarkable about the changes. Nevertheless, when there are many changing lines, and particularly the biggest change from Hex 1 to Hex 2, most would agree that it's time to sit up and take notice.

Some authors emphasize the "narrative" of one hex turning into the next through the full cycle; others look to reversing pairs for deeper lessons. With reading and contemplation, you can come up with your own relationships. In the case of 12 -> 13, I don't see any particular significance as there's only one changing line. Had you flipped from 11->12 (or the contrary) there would be more cause for discussion.

@Cyclotron:

I've tried to use the Yijing myself as some kind of spiritual path. And found it totally empty.

That is the essence of Taoism (with much interchange with Buddhism, Confucianism, etc.). Emptying the self means getting beyond the ego. That's at the heart of all spiritual practice.

The Yijing does not want to tell you what to do, or where you are going as some outside guiding force of a guardian angel. It does not want anything but TAO. And if you want to find the TAO all you have to do is find yourself.

Easy to say... If you want to live forever, all you need to do is find a cure for all known diseases and avoid accidents...

And since for each person that is different, the Yijing will only help you find yourself and weed out bullshit and lies or wasted efforts. But as far as it goes alone, it does not really have much to offer except detachment, and surrender. Which is in my opinion only 1 half at most of any spiritual path.

I think you are imposing preconceptions of spirituality on Taoism that are not appropriate. By emptying oneself, one makes room for Spirit to enter. The process of kenosis-pleurosis is central to all spiritual endeavors, including Taoism. Taoism happens to emphasize practices which encourage the emptying, rather than making elaborate claims of how wonderful life will be once you repeat a simple little phrase or undergo a modest ritual...

When it comes to actually doing something and exerting your will. The Yijing has no idea what to do and leaves that up to you. It may say that you need to do something, but it has no idea what it is as far as I can see. And that in my opinion is not a spiritual path. Just a spiritual tool.

What, then, do you make of the many references that it is appropriate (or not) to "cross the great water" or "have a place to go," or the contrary, to "withdraw" for a span of time? If you know of a generally recognized spiritual/philosophical system that offers yet more practical and specific advice, kindly bring it to my attention.

There is a danger of falling into utter passivity when one begins to follow Taoism, and I get the impression you may have landed there. As a spiritual path much influenced by Mahayana Buddhism, there is always an imperative to "do what is in front of you," and to "rescue others," and a degree of dismissal for those who fall into hermeticism and utter withdrawal. It its own way, Taoism is quite evangelical, with practical parallels to Quakers.

 

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@megani:
What, then, do you make of the many references that it is appropriate (or not) to "cross the great water" or "have a place to go," or the contrary, to "withdraw" for a span of time? If you know of a generally recognized spiritual/philosophical system that offers yet more practical and specific advice, kindly bring it to my attention.

Well, maybe i'm just ignorant, and don't understand my own readings. I just cannot seem to get anything utterly specific in terms of what to do exactly for spiritual practice or otherwise. It seems to leave most of the details to be resolved by the diviner.

But I think some chinese have used the Yijing as a manual for spiritual practice... But they are usually far deeper into it than I've managed to reach.

 

[meganj]

"Well, maybe i'm just ignorant, and don't understand my own readings. I just cannot seem to get anything utterly specific in terms of what to do exactly for spiritual practice or otherwise. It seems to leave most of the details to be resolved by the diviner."
-CycltronMajesty


Spirituality is in everything.. it's in the decisions we make, to make a big decision it requires a piece of spirit. I think the Yi helps us make the best decision when it comes to that by providing insight and basically telling you what you already know to be morally right.
I mean what is a greater sacrifice then putting a piece of your heart and soul into something? You want to try and make the best choice possible right?
I don't think something like spirit is easily grasped, we get pieces or the essence.
People are complex because of the essence from their spirit.
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