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hello everyone... i'm looking for some example and images about hexagrams and real life things.

which is the corresponding hexagram for a book?
and which one for a cat?

i used the "Da liu" book referred to Shau Young and discovered that a book is trigram "li" while the tiger is "kenn"

any clue on this matter?

by the way which is the hexagram that show the Yi?
i would think hex 64 the "end" that become 1 the beginning of the new cycle.
 
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i used the "Dali Iu" book referred to Shau Young and discovered that a book is trigram "li" while the tiger is "kenn"

Never heard of this book. do you have any link ?


by the way which is the hexagram that show the Yi?

I see Yi in h4. what do you mean by 64==> 1 ? I understand 63-64-63-64... is a trait of Yi. Could you elaborate the 64>1 ?
 

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sorry the book is from "Da. Liu"... he wrote a lot.. so look for the one about Shaou Young references.

about the 64-> 1.... the next hex to 64 is hex 1... if you increase..
if you decrease then you have 63.
the Yi is normally displayed in circle... because it never end
1->64->1->64.......................
also the comment to 64 as unchanging leads to a new begin... so to 1
 
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which is the corresponding hexagram for a book?
26

and which one for a cat?

9 for a small cat
26 for a big cat

I'm being playful with the choices, not absolute. A small cat can be so many hexagrams, largely depending on the nature of the cat and its environment. But I think no matter if on a farm or in a city, a small cat tends to small things and small game, and is itself small in a big world. A large cat deals with big game. It is near the apex of predators. And it's a big job to care for one.
 
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by the way which is the hexagram that show the Yi?

I thought I would just ask Yi for you just for kicks.. & I received

Hex 46.3 Ruler of an empty city

Hexagram Forty-Six/Line Three


Nine in the third place means:
One pushes upward into an empty city.

All obstructions that generally block progress fall away here. Things proceed with remarkable ease. Unhesitatingly one follows this road, in order to profit by one's success. Seen from without, everything seems to be in the best of order. However, no promise of good fortune is added. It is a question how long such unobstructed success can last. But it is wise not to yield to such misgivings, because they only inhibit one's power. Instead, the point is to profit by the propitiousness of time

Wow kind of speaks for itself, to me anyways.
 

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hey sooo, thank you

i came up with hex 22 for both.... using "shau young" advice.
upper trigram represent a tiger... the most similar feline to a cat.. whyle i saw that "li" also stay for book.

why am I asking?
because there is a cat that nap always on the yi book :rolleyes:

PS: where did you get the associations? i'm very interested for
 
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hey sooo, thank you

i came up with hex 22 for both.... using "shau young" advice.
upper trigram represent a tiger... the most similar feline to a cat.. whyle i saw that "li" also stay for book.

why am I asking?
because there is a cat that nap always on the yi book :rolleyes:

PS: where did you get the associations? i'm very interested for

Hey Patro, my pleasure.

My association for book is heaven within mountain, mountain being the solid object, and heaven being the knowledge within it.

I gave associations for the cats, both from the cat's perspective and for their relative position within their environment. 26 and 9 both have the responsibility to tend to something. 9 tends to small, menial, everyday things, and are themselves considered small livestock; while 26 tends to bulls, horses, any big and/or powerful animal. Heaven/power/strength/tirelessness is with the mountain of the beast, and the object is to tame it, to make it productive.
 

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white owl & sooo

thank you for your imput.
what i'm looking for are some standardized symbols... in the yi world as universally recognized.

but thanks for the help.
 

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. . I like 22 for a cat, big or small . . also when the last three lines of 49 change -obviously about big cats- they give 22 (and the other way round of course . .)

9 to 26 for a cat sleeping on a book?? hmm . . yup! it sure could be like it, all the elements seem to fit, mountain included . .
. . but doesn't mountain stand for dog?

. . or is this just me running after my own tail?? :rolleyes: lol
 

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. . 26 for a book, yes, but many books together, then more like 55

. . once I had asked what would be the image of an island, if we could perceive it as if from above and I got 62 to 21 . . 62 a flying bird over strips of land amidst the sea (21)

:)
 

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the image for an island (?)

hex 8 would be fit more.... earth below water above
earth sourrounded by water.
:)
 

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yes, I used to ask these completely surreal questions at some point :rolleyes:

I know 8 sounds way more logical according to our human minds, right? but seems Yi was in an impressionistic mood at the time(!) lol
 

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My association for book is heaven within mountain, mountain being the solid object, and heaven being the knowledge within it.

I like that. Legacy and culture. It probably doesn't apply to bodice-ripper books tho.
More like higher learnin', and "Literature", as pronounced by a Brit.

The two Gua that I and lots of others relate specifically the to the Yijing are 48 & 50. Some mistakenly think there's a connection between Jing as Well and Yiijing, which ain't the connection.


These are the Da Liu books that I have:
Liu, Da. Tai Chi Chuan and I Ching. NY: Harper & Row, 1972.
_____I Ching Coin Prediction. NY: Harper & Row, 1975.
_____I Ching Numerology. San Francisco: Harper & Row, 1975.
_____I Ching and Human Affairs. T'ai-pei shih: Confucius Pub. Co., 1981.
 
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white owl & sooo

thank you for your imput.
what i'm looking for are some standardized symbols... in the yi world as universally recognized.

but thanks for the help.

With all due respect, Patro, I think that wouldn't serve to deepen or strengthen Yi's effectiveness, only to stereotype and stiffen, like 64 clay pots, and every thing fits into one of them. There are obvious ones, such as, what is a lake, or what is fire, but there are interpretative and less easily defined aspects. Such as, the tiger and panther/leopard are key figures in 49.5 and 6. That would be a different interpretation. Cat's are stealthy, so maybe 36. Some are noisy talkers, 58, and some are reclusive and secretive, 36 again.

How many for dogs? doors? trees? Makes for fun conversation, but I don't think they can be standardized that way and still remain the book of changes.
 
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I like that. Legacy and culture. It probably doesn't apply to bodice-ripper books tho.
More like higher learnin', and "Literature", as pronounced by a Brit.

The two Gua that I and lots of others relate specifically the to the Yijing are 48 & 50. Some mistakenly think there's a connection between Jing as Well and Yiijing, which ain't the connection.


These are the Da Liu books that I have:
Liu, Da. Tai Chi Chuan and I Ching. NY: Harper & Row, 1972.
_____I Ching Coin Prediction. NY: Harper & Row, 1975.
_____I Ching Numerology. San Francisco: Harper & Row, 1975.
_____I Ching and Human Affairs. T'ai-pei shih: Confucius Pub. Co., 1981.

lol, bodice-ripper. Great term, had to look it up.

Yes, 48/50 seem like the most obvious ones for what is Yi? Jung concluded it is 50. The reason I chose 8 comes from LiSe's 'source of oracle consulting', and because it does unite principles with the practical, and serves to keep it together.

I'll go with the higher learnin' and deeper understandin' terms r.e. 26. Maybe the bodice-rippers are Tom's 44.

Hadn't thought of it before, but since you mention it: what are the differences between Yi in Yijing and Jing3 for Well? Or maybe I should ask, where is the similarity?
 
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Hadn't thought of it before, but since you mention it: what are the differences between Yi in Yijing and Jing3 for Well? Or maybe I should ask, where is the similarity?

Two completely different words. One Jing means well, in a way that carries the 9-parcel "well-field" land planning idea with it.
The other Jing means "classic text" but implies the warp or lengthwise lines of a woven fabric (the part of a culture that survives longest or runs through Time).

Enthusiastic noobies who refer to themselves as "Chingers" are just calling themselves "classic bookers."

Jing's counterpart is Wei 緯, the weft or woof, the crosswise threads that lay down the patterns. This is often used for apocryphal texts and commentaries. Most of the wild speculation that goes on about the Yi is termed Yiweishu or apocryphal Yi studies.

Jing and Wei can also refer to longitude and latitude respectively.
 

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hmmm starting from the fact that the yi is an ancient book, discipline etc...
i think that's more important to consider a standardized symbolism.... one that for sure work... given by a secular experience.
you all are free to think about like you want.... i have no problem with

but there are to many personal opinion about.... it's like to change the meaning of a line... and say: why not?
 

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hmmm starting from the fact that the yi is an ancient book, discipline etc...
i think that's more important to consider a standardized symbolism.... one that for sure work... given by a secular experience.
you all are free to think about like you want.... i have no problem with

but there are to many personal opinion about.... it's like to change the meaning of a line... and say: why not?

Its not clear to me what you mean. A line has a certain theme but usually there are those details of the question that put that line(s) into another context and zoom in zoom out the parts of its meaning. Its like dream interpretation were standard symbols intertwine with personal symbols. If you over standardize the symbols there there is no room left for our personal way to communicate with Yi.

what I can't comprehend is what a standardized symbolism might have to offer? could you offer some more thoughts on that?

edit : I see that Yi's line have a certain trait, the one of morphing adn what cause that is the question we ask.
 
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I like how this coincides with the concept of time from a quantum view.

The other Jing means "classic text" but implies the warp or lengthwise lines of a woven fabric (the part of a culture that survives longest or runs through Time).

weft or woof, interesting; like a grid. Also reminds me of triangulation of heavenly bodies while at sea as a means to know where you are relative to the whole universal enchilada.
 
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hmmm starting from the fact that the yi is an ancient book, discipline etc...
i think that's more important to consider a standardized symbolism.... one that for sure work... given by a secular experience.
you all are free to think about like you want.... i have no problem with

but there are to many personal opinion about.... it's like to change the meaning of a line... and say: why not?

So long as they are accepted as personal opinions or experiences or ideas about this or that, there's nothing wrong with that.

There is already rigid symbolism in the trigrams. I think most could agree on the some meanings of most trigrams. But combine any one of them with a second trigram, place one on top or bottom, and watch different opinions and various perceptions effervesce. It's possible to have several correct clues to the answer someone has consulted the Yi about, or several completely wrong answers, even from experienced classic bookers.
 

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It's possible to have several correct clues to the answer someone has consulted the Yi about, or several completely wrong answers, even from experienced classic bookers.
because any question... also when the questions are the same... mostly have a different background... and mostly while using the same words... are born from completely different thoughts.
the biggest error we mostly do while answering, interpreting... is to forget the question... the words of the question.

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for example Hilary says to write the questions and the thoughts..... both are part of the question.
we forget about this... and when we help by answering to someone... mostly we know only the question.
 
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Its not clear to me what you mean. ..............................
what I can't comprehend is what a standardized symbolism might have to offer? could you offer some more thoughts on that?

example... kkann is water, rain and many other like
hard wood
flexible materials
poison
medicine
boat
hear
blod
pig
fish
and many more... like time, sensation, sound, place, directions... and again for each other trigram.
i'm looking for a more extensive list.
 
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I see...

once i tried to make such a list. took 8 peaces of paper, one for each hex and wrote down everything I could found in my I ching about each hex. actually copied Wilhelm's "discussion on trigrams", a very useful list for a beginning. But then I quit it because in some way I felt i was restraining my self

maybe you are already familiar with Lise's notes on trigrams

there are some very interesting thoughts she shares.
 

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there are some very interesting thoughts she shares.
please don't get me wrong... i know the Yi itself is a big melting pot... one can generate advice using fantasy.... mixing what one want...

but if i decide to use an analyse method before to toss coins.... i will use only that method.
so if i have decided to use a list of symbols the yi answer me by using them.
 

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please don't get me wrong... i know the Yi itself is a big melting pot... one can generate advice using fantasy.... mixing what one want...

but if i decide to use an analyse method before to toss coins.... i will use only that method.
so if i have decided to use a list of symbols the yi answer me by using them.

i don't take you wrong , neither judge anything just wasn't sure about what you where talking about. :)
 

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