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I've been getting 15uc a lot the last couple of months in relation to overcoming an addiction and the resultant emotional roller coaster ride. It usually tells me to ride things out, find equanimity before speaking or acting in reaction to some feeling in experiencing. Otherwise, the results are that I am perceived as a crazy, vacillating person not worthy of trust. A loose cannon. Balance I guess is what it calls for, and consistency between word and action.
 

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Here's an odd 15uc example I had, with an odd thought to go with it.

I had lost a book, an astrological ephemeris, expensive, important to me as a reference book. Asked Yi where my lost book was, cast 15uc. Strangely I 'saw' line 6 of 15uc light up in my mind even though it wasn't a change line. I knew that line represented my book on top of other books and found the book immediately. It made me think there was something line 6ish about the unchanging hexagram. LiSe said yes it could make sense because line 6 is 'outside' of the hexagram and often we are outside the situation with unchanging hexagrams.

That's not to say line 6 would always be important in an unchanging casting when one didn't cast line 6, just an odd little happening with 15uc for me where 15uc looked like a book on top of other books.
There's a small bedside table, books on top, the one I wanted was on top. Don't ask me how I couldn't see it till I asked Yi about it, think it was partly obscured by something but still it was hardly 'lost' . Soon as did the cast I went straight to the book.

On a more textual level the book was actually exactly where I would sensibly expect to find it. It wasn't anywhere odd like the oven or the wardrobe, it was just sitting sensibly with other books by my bedside. Very 15.
 

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Here's an odd 15uc example I had, with an odd thought to go with it.

I had lost a book, an astrological ephemeris, expensive, important to me as a reference book. Asked Yi where my lost book was, cast 15uc. Strangely I 'saw' line 6 of 15uc light up in my mind even though it wasn't a change line. I knew that line represented my book on top of other books and found the book immediately. It made me think there was something line 6ish about the unchanging hexagram. LiSe said yes it could make sense because line 6 is 'outside' of the hexagram and often we are outside the situation with unchanging hexagrams.

That's not to say line 6 would always be important in an unchanging casting when one didn't cast line 6, just an odd little happening with 15uc for me where 15uc looked like a book on top of other books.
There's a small bedside table, books on top, the one I wanted was on top. Don't ask me how I couldn't see it till I asked Yi about it, think it was partly obscured by something but still it was hardly 'lost' . Soon as did the cast I went straight to the book.

On a more textual level the book was actually exactly where I would sensibly expect to find it. It wasn't anywhere odd like the oven or the wardrobe, it was just sitting sensibly with other books by my bedside. Very 15.

That's great. I've been getting some of those moments too since delving into the Yi.

As a follow up to the post I wrote a couple of weeks ago, I just got another 15UC in regards to these emotional vacillations and a romantic situation that the Yi characterized by 15UC under a veneer of 22. How this 15 has played out is that the situation has leveled out for me and the other person and it's a lot more down to earth now. Which is a huge relief. 15 feels like no drama, it is what it is, where and when it is. Almost like dharma.
 

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I was responding to someone in CC about a 15uc reading and had a very 15ish thought in the process which seemed to help her understand the reading so I thought I would share it here. No doubt this little Yi hack has been suggested before but I had forgotten till now how it can bring a reading right into the here and now.

Given the language of Yi can be obscure to us, seem so distant, so far away, so not connected to our modern lives, try inserting your own name in place of the 'noble one' in the Image and it immediately appears much more like personal advice. Using the Image for 15, using Hilary's translation with a name inserted...picking one at random from a contributor above.

'In the centre of the earth there is a mountain. Humility.
Seeker0970 reduces the many to increase the few,
She weighs things up to even out their distribution.'


I like that it is 15uc this technique came to my attention because it is a little change that brings the reading to our own reality on the ground, brings the reading and us closer together.
 

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I was responding to someone in CC about a 15uc reading and had a very 15ish thought in the process which seemed to help her understand the reading so I thought I would share it here. No doubt this little Yi hack has been suggested before but I had forgotten till now how it can bring a reading right into the here and now.

Given the language of Yi can be obscure to us, seem so distant, so far away, so not connected to our modern lives, try inserting your own name in place of the 'noble one' in the Image and it immediately appears much more like personal advice. Using the Image for 15, using Hilary's translation with a name inserted...picking one at random from a contributor above.

'In the centre of the earth there is a mountain. Humility.
Seeker0970 reduces the many to increase the few,
She weighs things up to even out their distribution.'


I like that it is 15uc this technique came to my attention because it is a little change that brings the reading to our own reality on the ground, brings the reading and us closer together.


That’s great, Trojina. That was my thread. I just had 15 UC come up again about needing to level out my emotions and here is the old thread from a year ago! 😍
 

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When I have ever had this reading related to my business, its give and take or do what needs to be done but dont do or take on more than you should, Its when I have asked will i have or find some success this week. Finding a balance can be difficult.

Steve
 

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Any thoughts on the significance of the hexagram being unchanging? While 15. Modesty seems to describe being ordinary, practical and balanced, what does it's being unchanging add to the description? Perhaps that more will have to be added for the situation to evolve further? Sort of an "it is what it is" situation but it's not going anywhere? The seed sprouts but it doesn't grow. The bank offers a sales pitch but it doesn't engage the client. With death the hexagram could be saying this is normal, a life complete. As far as business success is 15 saying there are opportunities but one must be discerning to find them or to develop them? I hope you'll give us feedback, Steve!
 

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Funny you commented Rosada, as after I made the post I thought could have added more. In relation to my business modesty actually does fit. Its like I was being told dont expect a whole lot or that it will be in fact a modest week. Its no 35 Unchanging by any means in a business sense.

Again we are back to the questions we ask and how it fits. Whether modesty actually does fit or maybe temperance does. I think it can be nice in certain questions, for example in human dynamics if I were to ask how should my approach be in this meeting or what do I need to know about this business meeting. I would would not be so loud or be talking about me type thing, maybe.
Or If i was to ask what will I gain from the meeting it would be maybe just a little.
It can be a really hard hexagram to interpret.
It appears to me to be more of a we or instead of I answer.

In general I find Asians can have much less of a problem in being modest (not all) Like bowing and blessing people. Westerners are more like I will bow to no mortal.

I think Hillary mentioned its like your best friend putting you in your place type of thing.

People in my experience who are modest in fact appear to be more successful.
Like if your slogan is we are the best in the business then I guess you would well want to be. You maybe better with something like we quietly find effective solutions. I guess people want to deal with the best in the business but dont want you to tell them that you are.

Maybe modesty is something i am not so accepting of, it seems to be so highly regarded from what I have read thus far in relation to the Yi but no it doesnt make me jump for joy when I cast the hexagram unchanging in a business sense. Its like hmmmm...

Or lastly Is it simply I dont want to take the advice and be modest. When I cast hexagram 15 unchanging it takes me a while to work out what I am being told or advised.

Steve
 
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Anyone have an experiences, ideas.....or even dreams relating to the the particular significance of hexagram 15 in it's unchanging form ?

I have my own small theory that paying attention to the pairs is especially helpful in interpretation of unchanging castings so I looked at what Lise said about the pairs. First I found a print out I had done 10 years ago from Midaughters site where it appeared Lise had been working with Chris Loftings ideas about pairs....and this printout looks like it has been expanded upon in her website......anyway from that old printout from Lise which I always liked...she has written a heading for each pair.





Anyway I noticed that I seemed to have cast 15uc a few times where I cannot divulge the question here due to the fact that they are so embarrassingly unreal ....the questions that is. I imagine that must say something ! I think on those occasions 15 must have been calling my attention to reality outside of my imagination.

The one experience, slightly less embarrassing, I can relate, is when I cast 15uc about the purchase of a raincoat :eek: After I had bought it I wondered if I had been extravagent/bought something unecessary etc. Not such a trivial question as it sounds if you have to be aware of how you use your resources. I took the answer to mean the raincoat would serve a necessary function.


Of course as I write I realise well of course it serves a function it's a raincoat :rofl:.....yes yes but did I really need it....and how it looked too was an essential consideration too of course ....one cannot dispense with style just because it's raining :D

Hmm the outcome is after owning it for 2 years it has been actually a humdrum but useful item of apparel. I do notice I tend to get it out where nothing else quite fits the bill as suitable outerwear.


Okay so all my experiences with hexagram 15 uc appear as I write to have an element of embarrassment. I think perhaps as I've known it so so far for me it is a strong 'come to earth' message. I think, though i cannot recall specifically, that at other times 15 uc when enquiring if actions were necessary were saying "just do what needs to be done "

Looking back at Lise's simple sentences above also "grant yourself what you need" might apply to humdrum needs like raincoats...and "grant the other what he needs" can translate as "there is a world outside of your imaginings about X, Y or Z...they have their own reality". Referring back to reality away from imaginings is often what 15 uc has said to me....hence result=embarrasment...for me anyway....ahem


I expect others mileage to vary :D
thanks! it is very useful. my experience has been that it tells me to consider other points of view, other schedules, other systems of working. it has a sort of calm, gentle vibe for me.
 

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I asked Yi, if I'll recover my FB account, as it was terminated without warning, living me in a puzzled state. I got 15uc. I didn't recover it yet... Text says (Rutt's translation) :
"offering
achievement for a prince."

unfortunately, I'm not a prince!

In fact, I created a new one, with my name... after several days, it was blocked again... I didn't post anything.... weird. Managed to recover it.... but my feeling will be I'll we be blocked again....
 

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I received 15 uc for the question "am I cursed?" ....a bit embarrassing, yeah. Come back to earth makes sense as in "are you really that important to be cursed and singled out?"
15 always feels like an ego-check but not necessarily a mean or harsh one. More like, lighten up, pay attention, you're just one person on the earth.
 

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