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Trojina

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Apart from the piece you have in quotation marks are you also quoting elsewhere ? I can't tell but it doesn't sound like you.

Eldest Daughter, Lake, flows joyously downwards towards Eldest Son, Mountain, who flows calmly and firmly upwards.

How can a mountain flow 'calmly and firmly upwards' ? Mountains don't flow they are still.
 

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That fits very elegantly with the Sequence of Hexagrams, too - how the book is divided into two Canons, and the Lower Canon begins with 31, corresponding to 1 in the Upper Canon.
 

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Here, it feels as if the two trigrams represent the culmination of progression from their respective sibling and parent trigrams ~ from their young beginnings through their gradual maturation towards wisdom.

I don't understand that, what do you mean ? I don't see anything about 'gradual maturation towards wisdom' by the trigrams here.
 
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I don't understand that, what do you mean ? I don't see anything about 'gradual maturation towards wisdom' by the trigrams here.
I was looking at it from the perspective of imagining the two trigrams as having been through the stages of youngest and middle sons and daughters.

But, that's a pretty shaky take. I decided to try running with it, anyways. -.-
 

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Apart from the piece you have in quotation marks are you also quoting elsewhere ?
No, those are just my own whirling thoughts jumping from one meandering to the next.

I can't tell but it doesn't sound like you.
Well... usually, my thoughts aren't so clear, but occasionally, I have moments like this. They're rare enough, though...

How can a mountain flow 'calmly and firmly upwards' ? Mountains don't flow they are still.
I'd actually thought about that when reading it over, but didn't bother to change it... dunno whether to or not.
 

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No, if you are exploring your thought processes with the reading I see no reason to change what you have written. I don't have to agree with it but that's okay


Even the nuclear Hexagram, 44, Coupling, merely adds to this powerful image ~ while in 44, the woman is too powerful to be taken, here, the woman, still powerful, albeit tempered and wise, finds her place in joyous, peaceful compromise.


I feel you imposed your own ideology/values here in a way that I can't see the reasons for. The woman in 44 doesn't become the woman in 31, if anything it would be the other way around sequence wise. The way you express it, this awful 'compromise' of the 44 woman is not something I'd go along with. Not that we can make hexagram literally about women but I dislike this whole idea of the woman in 44 getting watered down into how you describe here into some kind of dish rag. You can't take the metaphor of the woman in 44 and then say 'ah now she's a nice little compromised wifey in 31'. Well you can say it but I don't think you're right. You're implying that somehow the woman in 44 becomes a much better being and that's adding your own values in, making it very literal with no reason for doing so as far as I can see.
 
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The point is this is marriage from the male POV in 31, he is advised to make room for the wife, that's the counsel of the hexagram. The woman's view of marriage is 54. 31 really is not to do with a woman who cannot be taken morphing into a a compromised woman.
 

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I feel you imposed your own ideology/values here in a way that I can't see the reasons for. The woman in 44 doesn't become the woman in 31, if anything it would be the other way around sequence wise. The way you express it, this awful 'compromise' of the 44 woman is not something I'd go along with. Not that we can make hexagram literally about women but I dislike this whole idea of the woman in 44 getting watered down into how you describe here into some kind of dish rag. You can't take the metaphor of the woman in 44 and then say 'ah now she's a nice little compromised wifey in 31'. Well you can say it but I don't think you're right. You're implying that somehow the woman in 44 becomes a much better being and that's adding your own values in, making it very literal with no reason for doing so as far as I can see.
Compromise does not "to weaken" here, but to come halfway, as it were. To find a balancing point of harmony.

I feel that you've so completely misunderstood the context of my post. And I feel that perhaps you've imposed your own values onto my post ~ that "compromise" is a bad thing. I really shouldn't have to step on eggshells just because someone might get offended at the use of "compromise".

Perhaps I shall have to try and use clearer wording next-time, then...

For context, my comment about 44 was based on the commentary in the Hexagram 31 Wikiwings post. Could have been clearer about that, sorry. I guess I forgot to add it in, for whatever reason. :|

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Hexagram 44, Coupling. Allowing in the influence is risky. 31 has a woman who can be taken, 44 has one who can't. It could be a difference of degree in female/sexual power. There's the power you use to integrate and create relationships, and the power that can take society apart again, undermine the whole structure. It makes and remakes.
 

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I feel that you've so completely misunderstood the context of my post. And I feel that perhaps you've imposed your own values onto my post ~ that "compromise" is a bad thing. I really shouldn't have to step on eggshells just because someone might get offended at the use of "compromise".


Oh I'm not at all offended, just responding with my thoughts to yours but not offended and no offence intended to you either.

No need to add the wiki comment in, you can have that thought without reference to anything else. Don't think I agree with the wiki entry either.
 

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It would seem that I've mixed up my trigrams, somehow...

Mountain is the youngest son, Lake is the youngest daughter. :|
 

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I do think is about emotions and how they put us in motion. The image i have is of a unmovable huge rock reflected on a lake and her ripples make him dance.

for me 31u is when I "stop" the mind /rational and just feel, the visceral thinking, to sense where it leads me, what exists in my guts - pure emotions
This made total sense to me, as today I received 31uc in a reading about a text I wrote on passion and how other people's passions also affect me.
I am also thinking about how, in my reading, the relationship between a mountain and a lake is such an insightful one.
So 31uc feels to me like accepting and understanding the impoprtance and the role of each of these elements together. Imperviousness and liberation. Solidity and elasticity.
And once you really understand and accept those, you see what needs to be done.
But first (hence uc) reaaallly understand and accept them...
 

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"Can I get a sign of our connection?"
31 uc
Context: Haven't talked to a person for a while and wanted to share (plenty of) good news.
Well, I got the sign: our mirrored influence. The material manifestation of our connection can be most clearly seen in all the good things happening to me. I know these things are happening as a result of the influence we exert on each other's lives. Nothing else needed, not even changing lines, as it is a really direct, no mediation needed, connection and, hence, influence. Yi powerfully showed it to me.
 
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Hi everyone,

I wanted to add my experience with this hex :) A bit long but hopefully it’ll be of use to someone. The situation I inquired about is very much in its infancy, so I don’t know if there’s any more to it than what I believe at this point. It’s about a friendship - a surprising one, but delightful - between myself and a person at my new workplace. We have known of each other longer than we’ve actually known each other: he worked as a manager at my former workplace for years before I came in, and so I knew who he was but not much else. He in turn had heard of me as I was coming in, but as it happened his last day at that particular workplace was the weekend before my first so our paths never actually crossed.

For completely unrelated reasons that first place didn’t work out for me, and so I quit 10 or so months in, and found another job quite soon. By absolute chance this new job was at the same (huge!) company he went on to a year or so ago. My third day of work I was walking past a set of desks on a floor I don’t work at, and I suddenly saw him (having seen his LinkedIn picture) and surprised I was like “hey!” before I could catch myself. He recognized me from LinkedIn as well and so, having all of these acquaintances and former co-workers in common, and me having the latest information on what went on after he left the company, we had a cup of coffee together in the break room. We have a very easy rapport, and it does feel like we’ve known each other for years. We made loose plans for lunch sometime and then left it at that.

Before last week, now it being a few months after our first actual introduction, we haven’t spoken or seen each other. We work on different floors and in completely different positions so our paths at work don’t intersect very naturally at all. But we both commute to the office, from the same city, but he drives his company car while I usually take the bus. A week ago he wrote to me spontaneously to casually ask if I’d like to join him on his commute, him picking me up. As I find talking to him so easy I didn’t even hesitate and I took him up on his offer and of course had a super nice time (plus I don’t have to take the bus, which is always a bonus)!

This morning was the 3rd time in a week he offered to pick me up on his way to work, and so yesterday I asked Yi to show me an image of what this is, and it showed me 31 uc. Now, I want to be clear that I do not see this becoming a romantic connection, not even a little, not even by chance. There are many reasons for this with the main one being that I am not open to that with him, or at all, plus that he could be, like, my father’s slightly younger brother lol. I feel zero attraction in that sense in neither direction honestly.

Knowing the connection drawn between hex 31 and romantic courtship it did worry me a little at first to receive this hex - as a young woman serious about her career I really don’t want some older man in a managerial position trying to pursue me you know? But then I considered that people influence each other all the time outside of a romantic context, and the dance of getting to know someone you find interesting from a human stand point is the same when both are open to it, no matter why the connection persists. So by receiving this casting I do believe this might be the beginnings of a great friendship and professional connection. I feel safe in knowing that we are two people just getting to know each other, and that this could be the basis of something lasting and beneficial to both of us :)
 
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My latest experience was a general question on "how to improve things today?" I think it means to reach out to people, open my mouth even though I don't feel like it. Its approaching Xmas and people are always more tight with money. Its strange how the advice appears to be to influence even though as Lise mentioned you may be feeling shy.
 

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