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I think Arabella's story is terrifying, what on earth was going on a) with the state trooper and b) with the engine catching fire?! and then c) with hex 8 uc???!!! I don't know what any of it means.

Wing says of 8uc that 'without strong social connections you may indeed become an island isolated in the sea of your own illusion'. Arabella's story is about becoming isolated 'with nothing but tumbleweed' and no passing cars. But it seems plain to see she was not alone? Car engines don't just catch fire like that. She is held, she is supported, she isn't alone... that's the only message I can take from that. That was a supreme blessing.

For myself, I've had 8uc twice in my journal and both times it was when I'd wanted to make a connection to a man, and probably he with me, but I was putting up spiky barriers. Self-sabotage indeed.
 

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Shall I send a book about ''many faces of death'' (a guide for partners of people who are dying) to a colleague from work whose partner has cancer - 8UC (I interpret this as a ''no, hold it onto yourself'')
 

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Taking a week away from social media and divination (I pull tarot, runes and iching daily), I'm really good at refusing to make choices. I asked "what do I need to know for the week?" 8uc- I imagine it will make me crazy and hopefully I will be able to make some decisions.
 

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Nope- seemed to mean what Ginnie said- reach out, make friends. We're very isolated where we live and I had been going into myself even further (winter and all).
 

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Met an old woman at the bus stop in a foreign City. She just walked into me. She Comes from the same City as I do, and it seemed that she just wanted to talk to me. She seemed to me quite crazy, quite desperate - prosecuted, she said, by someone in her house, that's why she took all her documents with her. She asked me to meet again the following day, which I did. I asked the Yi before and got 8 unchanged. She was late, but we talked quite a lot. Just to get in touch, listen to someone, get out of Isolation.

She talked a lot about being prosecuted for political reasons, that's why she left her Country. I could understand some of what she said quite well.

So 8 unchanged seems to be about Holding together, getting out of Isolation.
But isn't there an element of chasing People, or being chased, as well?
 

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Did you mean persecuted rather than prosecuted ?
 

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It's a great example whatever word you meant,. I asked because prosecution is a legal thing, legal proceedings so someone in her house can't prosecute her themselves exactly. Persecution is not a legal term but what can happen between people anywhere.

All these 8uc are crazy - so crazy I love it.
 

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Hi Trojina, difficult to say, as I'm not a native speaker! I think I meant: to be persecuted. Well, she is from East Germany, East Berlin, and she used to help people to get out of it after the wall was buildt. A flight helper or tunnel helper. But she said she wanted to leave the state later, but somehow couldn't, and they were after her and her family and still are, even when they lived in the West and even after the wall came down. And now, she keeps her documents but feels as if people (in Switzerland, where she lifes now) wanted her out of her house. Well, this is just what she told me, I might not even have understood everything well, and she was sort of whispering, as well. Don't take your mobile phone with you! etc. -
So she got isolated in her thoughts, and I might have been in danger to get there as well. It is about holding together, and freedom, as well!
 

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Again. "What is my relationship with xy?", I asked.

xy used to be a male friend, who turned into a stalker. We were befriended when I was with my ex-boyfriend, a long time ago. When I split with my former boyfriend, things turned bad, and he started stalking me - contacted my now-husband and his friends. So I withdrew from him.

I hadn't met seen since about a decade, when I met him at an evening event. A bit embarrasing! Long handshake. We didn't talk so much. He was just recovering from a stroke, weakened. And he left and I was relieved.

And the day after, I met him again. I had things to do in the district he lives. I crossed a street, he came from the other side - and walked by, saying no word. I hardly recognized him. But it was him, and I am quite sure that he recognized me as well.

So this is also 8 unchanged: To know a former friend, then stalker, meet him again twice - and then he doesn't even say hello the second time. Strange. There is no union, though.
 
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I got 8UC when I was on holiday 1 hour away from where several people I know live. I toyed with the idea of spending a couple of days there to catch up. But I wasn't sure if I wanted to brave the heat and the road to go there, or even if I wanted to see them at all. So I asked "what if I don't go?" And got 8UC. I interpreted it as "hold together only with the right people. Those who belong will come to you". I had a very peaceful holiday, and indeed the people I really wanted to see "came to me". Some deliberately came to visit. Others I saw serendipitously because they happened to be here. It worked out for the best!

That said, I wondered about Ginnie's interpretation, making sure you don't get isolated... Would I have reconnected with more of the people I like if I had gone there? Probably. Perhaps that was my misfortune? But then again, I could have run into people I really didn't want to see...

Either way, I did what felt right at the time. I have no regrets. I "held together with myself" so to speak. I suppose my general feeling about 8UC is "be true to yourself, hold only with the people who feel right. That may mean keeping your own company sometimes, as long as it feels right".

This interpretation is very helpful to me Yasmin. I really appreciate "hold together... Those who belong will come." Yesterday I had an encounter near my apartment where I thought I saw someone from my past and it was one of those moments where time seems to slow down. The "relationship" I have with this person is complicated at best so after crossing paths and not knowing entirely if it was that person from the past or not I let some physical distance grow between us and walked behind them --only-- briefly. Then, I noticed them slightly turn their head as they were aware of me walking behind. I did not wish to come off in any ill way to them or seem threatening (because in a similar yet not so severe way to that cop my youthful folly years ago got me in a predicament with them because I was likewise not very thoughtful of impact despite having no ill intent) so I crossed the street. The person watched closer but I was on the phone throughout the entirety of the encounter so hopefully the other person-- no matter who-- was reassured by that and the fact that I crossed the street (that person couldn't possibly be concerned about me is what I hope they thought). Eventually, they turned the corner and I carried on my call. I asked the Yi: "Yi Jing, please, how did I handle yesterday?" and received Hexagram 8 UC. Then I followed up with: "Yi Jing, please, why should I take Hexagram 8 in relation to your response as "held it together"? and received Hexagram 27.4:

Six in the fourth place means:
Turning to the summit
For provision of nourishment
Brings good fortune.
Spying about with sharp eyes
Like a tiger with insatiable craving.
No blame.

And this really makes me think about both that person (whoever it was) and me. They were observing and aware of me and I was observing and aware of them. And the metaphysic of hold and those who will belong became very clear to me with "Turning to the summit/ For provision of nourishment." -- the focus of the tiger is on things being right for the tiger. I didn't cast again but I thought of this tiger in relation to Hexagram 10, which discusses stepping on a tiger tail. And this makes me think that the idea of bonding and holding in Hexagram 8 is about being aware about what is right for you (the tiger in Hexagram 27.4) and simultaneously being aware about what is right for another via intuition (in this case I think about the tiger in Hexagram 10).
 

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I just got 8 unchanging for the Q: will Trump run for US President in 2024?
 

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Most likely he will run, well, there is a high probability that he will can find
 
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These 'experiences' threads are for people to tell us about what their readings meant for them, in hindsight. Of course we diverge at times to the theoretical and so on but I just wanted to say if you want to discuss what your reading means better to post in SR. These particular threads of experiences people have already had, aren't really for speculating on what your reading might mean or to get other's input on your cast - certainly these threads aren't for discussing Donald Trump's future. I mean if someone had had a past experience that their political reading of 8uc had meant xyz about Trump that's different but you're asking about a future event. So to discuss Trump's future please start a separate thread in Open Space or in Shared Readings.

I do not know if BonBon just wanted to share without feedback which is fine - but if feedback is wanted then it's reading help in SR you need
 
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Here's a simple, straightforward example.

Things at my job haven't been great since my former boss retired. I saw her last week and she suggested that I get in touch with a guy I barely know who's higher up in the organization to lay some subtle groundwork for a potential reorganization. I asked for comments/advice about emailing him: 8 unchanging. So I did!
 

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