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    Question About Unexpected / Disapointing / "Wrong" readings

    Hi all there!

    I wish you all a rich, exciting and fulfilling 2018!

    I wanted to have your inputs on this delicate topic, and I'll try to go as straight to the point as possible:
    We've all experienced readings that are more or less "obscure" or difficult to relate to, that need time to digest and get into, and others look very straightforward and seem to answer the question clearly (we all like those ones don't we? ). Well with these latter ones it seems easier to "compare notes" between what was said and what actually happened since the reading seemed pretty clear. Well, recently I had that, and the answer I got was not in line with what actually happened. Since I really do believe the I Ching was not "wrong", I would like to have your inputs on what can be the causes of this kind of situation? So far I can imagine:

    - A wrong interpretation of the reading (it might have looked straigthforward, but actually it wasn't)
    - A biased state of mind while throwing the coins
    - A flexible interpretation of time ans space by the I Ching (the result does not look in sync with reality right now, but the situation could actually evolve into something more like the reading in the future...)
    - The question was unclear, or confusing
    - anything else?

    Let me for the sake of illustration tell you about the reading I am talking about, and let me start by saying that this is one of the first times I feel a reading is not "in sync with reality", after several hundreds of readings:

    I had this very big (and important -for me- and pricey) artwork exhibited in a quite important solo exhibition in 2017, the exhibition was ongoing until 22nd of December.
    I had 18 works exhibited, but I wanted to know if this particular work (the biggest one) was going to get sold at the exhibition. So I asked this question: "If I was certain that this piece was going to get sold before December 31st 2017, how would my state of mind be on January 1st 2018"? I agree, the question is a complex way of asking "is that piece going to get sold in 2017".
    And as an answer I got the hexagram I love the most: 11 unchanging. I would be at peace, satisfied. That and the fact that I got only 1 Hex uc made me think the piece was going to get sold.
    Now... it didn't. I sold some other smaller ones and the show went well, I'm happy, but that particular one didn't sell.
    So my question is:
    - Was my question unclear
    - Could it be that I was I biased when I threw the coins
    - Could it mean that it is going to sell... soon
    - Or also that I am at peace now (which I am), independently of the result of that particular show?

    Any ideas?

    Thanks a lot!!

    All the best, take care.

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    I think it looks like a simple matter of you placing far to much emphasis in your interpretation around the word 'peace' which is sometimes used as the hexagram title. 11 isn't peace, it doesn't mean peace. Hilary calls it 'Flow', Bradford calls it 'Interplay' I can't recall what LiSe calls it but I don't think it's peace...oh checked, she calls it 'Mount Tai'.

    In 12 heaven and earth trigrams are moving away from each other as earth naturally tends downward and heaven upwards. In 11 you can see that rather than heaven and earth not interacting they move towards each other. This gives rise to flow to interaction to change to energy moving and it's not peaceful as in the sense of nice and relaxed and quiet.

    But you also have 11 as an unchanging cast so it may interest you to see how others have experienced 11uc before you.

    https://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/frie...gs-Hexagram-11

    I think a number of those are not, ahem, especially 'peaceful' (see Hilary's examples). 11 isn't well named as 'peace' really since in English peace can imply being quiet, at ease, comfortable and as you said you expected, satisfied.

    You mentioned a biased frame of mind as possibly affecting the answer. it doesn't. I mean the orientation of the question can affect the answer of course but there is need at all to attempt to hold a 'neutral' state of mind whilst casting so I don't think that would ever be a reason for you not understanding an answer..

    One reason for not understanding your answer you didn't mention was it simply hasn't become clear to you yet. Answers will often unfold over time, they aren't always immediately recognisable.

    If you get to figure out your 11uc cast do post it to the experiences thread won't you.

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    Your state of mind would be at peace on January 1st, 2018 provided you sold the piece before December 31th, 2017.
    You didn't sell it before December 31th, 2017 , therefore your state of mind on January 1st, 2018 was not at peace.
    Pretty accurate, in my opinion.
    Hexagrams are merely a navigation chart; you still are the one dealing with the waves, the cliffs, and the winds. The Map is never more important than the real Sea!. Consulting the Yijing can help you to make more informed choices but it should never replace your own responsability and judgment while becoming the Commander of your own life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trojina View Post
    I think it looks like a simple matter of you placing far to much emphasis in your interpretation around the word 'peace' which is sometimes used as the hexagram title. 11 isn't peace, it doesn't mean peace. Hilary calls it 'Flow', Bradford calls it 'Interplay' I can't recall what LiSe calls it but I don't think it's peace...oh checked, she calls it 'Mount Tai'.
    Thank you for your answer Trojina. I understand what you mean, and this reading will surely change how I see this 11 hex, but so far my readings with Hex 11 were pretty accurate on the "peace" side of things (also, it didn't help that the three books I have, 2 in French and 1 in English, all call this hexagram peace / harmony).

    Quote Originally Posted by Trojina View Post
    One reason for not understanding your answer you didn't mention was it simply hasn't become clear to you yet. Answers will often unfold over time, they aren't always immediately recognizable.
    I mentioned the I Ching not beeing too good with our "Earthly" sense of time and space, and that indeed this could evolve differently over time, but I still put a date in my question, does it mean that trying to use dates, trying to have precise time-windows in the questions is useless?

    And yes of course, I will post this in the 11uc experiences once I have a clearer picture.

    Thanks again, take care.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sixth Relative View Post
    Your state of mind would be at peace on January 1st, 2018 provided you sold the piece before December 31th, 2017.
    You didn't sell it before December 31th, 2017 , therefore your state of mind on January 1st, 2018 was not at peace.
    Pretty accurate, in my opinion.
    Thank you very much for your input Sixth Relative. It might indeed go in that direction.

    The question however was not "will I be at peace on January 1st" or "How will I feel on January 1st if I had sold that piece", but "If I was certain that piece was going to get sold, how will I feel on January 1st?". So to me the answer relates more to something like: "If -as you say- you are certain that piece is going to get sold, then you will feel at peace on January 1st", which is why I feel confused about this reading...

    Thanks again!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Belt View Post
    The question however was not "will I be at peace on January 1st" or "How will I feel on January 1st if I had sold that piece", but "If I was certain that piece was going to get sold, how will I feel on January 1st?". So to me the answer relates more to something like: "If -as you say- you are certain that piece is going to get sold, then you will feel at peace on January 1st", which is why I feel confused about this reading...
    Yeah, I got it. My point exactly: You were certain about the selling; that was the circumstance for the omen. Reality didn't match the circumstance for the omen.

    Something like: "I know you say that you are certain about the selling, but you can't be certain. IF you could be certain of the selling then you could be certain of being at peace BUT since you can't be certain of the selling...."

    Anyway, it just an idea.
    Hexagrams are merely a navigation chart; you still are the one dealing with the waves, the cliffs, and the winds. The Map is never more important than the real Sea!. Consulting the Yijing can help you to make more informed choices but it should never replace your own responsability and judgment while becoming the Commander of your own life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Belt View Post
    I mentioned the I Ching not being too good with our "Earthly" sense of time and space.
    Sure it is,
    but only if you focus your question with the time parameters or day in question.

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    Thank you Sixth Relative. Yeah I know what you mean. I guess it has indeed to do with this weird way of turning a yes/no question into something else... I'll avoid that in the future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moss Elk View Post
    Sure it is,
    but only if you focus your question with the time parameters or day in question.
    Hi Moss Elk, thanks for your input.
    So you mean that my question "If I was certain that piece was going to get sold in 2017, how will I feel on January 1st?", doesn't have a good focus on the time parameters?

    Thanks again!

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    That question has good time parameters and focus, the problem is with the rest of the question. It is odd and convoluted.
    Almost like you were trying to outwit Yi with the indirectness of it.

    Next time ask what you meant: What is the likelihood that this will sell on x date?

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