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    I have been looking into this line on James Dekorne's website.
    Ritsema/Karcher: Radiance flocking demons indeed.

    I am understanding that this can relate to inner compulsions, phobia's etc.

    Does anyone know where the following text comes from or how it relates to hexagram 53.3
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    Demon(iac), CH'OU: possessed by a malignant genius; ugly, physically or morally deformed: vile, disgraceful, shameful; drunken. The ideogram: fermenting liquor and soul...]

    I was wondering how it relates as it appears fairly full on.

    Steve

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    Every time I see Ritsema/Karcher,
    I imagine someone taking the I Ching in original Chinese, then putting it into google translate five times while drinking liquor until something unitelligable comes out.
    I think it is best to ignore that 'translation'.

    Here is Bradfords 53.3:

    The wild goose advances by degrees across the highlands
    The husband, on expedition, never returns
    The wife conceives but cannot raise her young
    Brutal
    Worthwhile to guard against predators

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moss Elk View Post
    Every time I see Ritsema/Karcher,
    I imagine someone taking the I Ching in original Chinese, then putting it into google translate five times while drinking liquor until something unitelligable comes out.
    LOL.


    I don't know too much about Karcher/Ritsema and just let you know of my own experiences.

    I received this line either in break-up times 'the husband... never returns' ... and/or when I felt very letdown and forsaken by others. In times like these, one is at danger to start to disregard themselves, the advice is then to bravely keep up your daily business and to avoid being pessimistic and fatalistic and instead to protect yourself from everything that is connected with a negative mindset. You simply have to keep up trust in the good things, even if you have a hard time to recognise them then.
    --> You mentioned 'phobia', if you surrender to this desperate mindset I am talking of, it could indeed lead to phobia or inner compulsions, generally said to psychological problems of any kind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by steve View Post
    Hi

    I have been looking into this line on James Dekorne's website.
    Ritsema/Karcher: Radiance flocking demons indeed.

    I am understanding that this can relate to inner compulsions, phobia's etc.

    Does anyone know where the following text comes from or how it relates to hexagram 53.3
    Please see below.

    Demon(iac), CH'OU: possessed by a malignant genius; ugly, physically or morally deformed: vile, disgraceful, shameful; drunken. The ideogram: fermenting liquor and soul...]

    I was wondering how it relates as it appears fairly full on.

    Steve
    I think 'demoniac' and 'possessed by a malignant genius' could refer to our 'inner demons', the demons of the mind, I was already mentioning in my last post.

    'Shameful, drunken, disgraceful' could talk of cultivating these 'inner demons', giving in to the things we do when we are very unhappy, like drinking each day, staying in bed all day in a depressive mood, disregarding our duties or/and friends, family etc... cultivating bad, harmful habits to put it briefly.

    So I think Karcher/Ritsema are maybe not that far from the 'original' meaning, but instead of choosing a pragmatic approach their words are very cryptic and more dramatic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by steve View Post
    Does anyone know where the following text comes from or how it relates to hexagram 53.3
    Please see below.
    Demon(iac), CH'OU: possessed by a malignant genius; ugly, physically or morally deformed: vile, disgraceful, shameful; drunken. The ideogram: fermenting liquor and soul...]
    The lines as we know them (e.g. as Moss Elk has cited above) are the Jian line text.
    There are more comments on each I Ching line, called the Xiang Zhuan.
    These are like footnotes to each line, and we can see them in Wilhelm, Legge, Bradford, on deKorne's site, etc.

    The Xiang Zhuan 'footnote' of 53.3 (53.3 > 20) contains the character CHOU.
    This character translates as (from chineseetymology.org):
    ugly / homely / bad-looking / abominable / vile / bad / shameful / disgraceful / infamous / to compare

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