3.6 - Tears of Blood

nicky_p · Jul 14, 2006

Whenever I get this line it always reminds me of the Maddona with tears of blood streaming down her face and makes me think of miracles happening.

http://www.visionsofjesuschrist.com/weeping63.htm

I'd be interested to know if anyone else sees it like that - or whether I'm way off base?

Love
Nicky
xx

lindsay · Jul 14, 2006

Have a good cry!

Lindsay

heylise · Jul 14, 2006

Mary is Type 0 Positive... Of course she is.

I love miracles, to me it is proof of the huge range of the mind. Human, or whatever else it is. I stopped believing science in that respect. Not because I think science is wrong, but most of all because happiness and bliss and love and compassion are another realm, apart from science. With just as much validity of existence. And most of that is made with miracles. As their beginning or their ending.

LiSe

nicky_p · Jul 15, 2006

Hi Lindsay,

Thanks for the link - there are some really interesting articles on the end as well

Hi Lise,

If all else fails - a wing and a prayer?

Love
Nicky
xx

lindsay · Nov 23, 2006

Lovers of symbolism might be interested to know the new James Bond film - "Casino Royale" featuring Daniel Craig and Eva Green - has its chief baddie, a villain named Le Chiffre (Mads Mikkelsen), weep tears of blood. Moments of intense frustration or fear or other high emotion seem to bring them on. I don't know if this was a feature of the original Ian Fleming novel, but it seems entirely consistent with 3.6. Apparently myth is still everywhere to be found.

Lindsay

nicky_p · Nov 23, 2006

lindsay said:
Moments of intense frustration or fear or other high emotion seem to bring them on.

I like that. I could see Mary being intensely frustrated with the world

Or extreme compassion when things go wrong.
Will definitely have to go and see James Bond now

Sparhawk · Nov 23, 2006

nicky_p said:
Will definitely have to go and see James Bond now

One of the best Bond movies, you'll like it.

L

veronica · Aug 13, 2009

Bloody tears

I know this is an old thread, I came across it today by pure chance but I thought I must add my comments on line 6 of hex 3 as it was one of the most significant readings I ever had (I cast it close to 20 years ago) and I believe I still feel the power of that line in my life.

I originally come from Poland, many years ago it was difficult to emigrate from Poland to another country but an opportunity came up to come to England. I asked back then "What if I decide to move to England?", I don't remember the full reading now but I certainly remember getting primary hex 3 line 6. I came to England, with hardly any English and £80 in my pocket. I couldn't legally work, I didn't have any friends and after a while my visa run out. I was then advised to have an arranged marriage in order to stay in the country and that brought years of anxiety, fear and insecurity as the guy ended up stalking and bullying me for money. I eventually managed to free myself of him and managed to achieve much in this country (eventually finished university) and perhaps the full result of my decision is yet to unfold but if someone has asked me today if I would do it again, knowing the full detail of what I went through to get where I am now (and believe me, my situation now is far from perfect as some of you may know from the previous threads) I would seriously hesitate.

So for anyone who gets Hex 3.6 - you can expect to eventually achieve what you want but it may come at a price much higher than you bargained for.

heylise · Aug 13, 2009

Veronica, thank you for a beautiful story. Even though it is one filled with hardship.
Happy for you that you made it!!

meng · Aug 13, 2009

I also appreciate your story, Veronica. And your encouragement.

I always find 3.6 to be a good swift kick in the buttootie.

veronica · Aug 13, 2009

A good swift kick in the buttootie it certainly was!

my_key · Aug 14, 2009

Hi Veronica
The UK is not the easiest of places for Polish people at the moment and your story tells of your own strength and determination to win through a difficult personal journey.

3.6 - Says something about riding a team of horses. With this there is an image of Charlton Heston or Victor Mature in one of those old movies standing on the back of the central stallion of a team of five horses, having just climbed up onto his back after crashing the chariot. Reins held firm in both hands as he fights to control the way in which the near wild horses want to take him forward. This is by no means a ride in a coach and four.
But then I have just finished watching Ben Hur.

Mike

griffy · Sep 24, 2010

The 6th line of 3 is outside the situation, has no corresponding lines and is being pulled by the solid yang line in the fifth place which is itself unstable. Persistence will meet with complete failure because there is no reason to think otherwise.

peterg · Oct 6, 2010

3.6

According to stephen fry QI bbc2 a nosebleed can manifest thro the eyes as tears of blood. He describes the treatment as not to tilt the head back lest u choke on blood but to tilt the head forwards & pinch the nose.

Lower chen is issue forth. The nose is suggested by nuclear kan mountain ( facial topography ) & kan water is blood tears.
regards pg

rosada · Oct 9, 2010

Hexagram 3. Difficulty at The Beginning

If I ever write my I Ching Epic Journey, chapter 3 will be the part where the spaceman lands on the planet for the first time. Charged with the responsibility of connecting with the natives, learning the culture and ultimately being able to survive and thrive, Mr. Space ..

3.1 hesitates at first. He does not immediately start imposing his vision, but looks to see what others know and do.

3.2 He's obviously clueless and as this is a friendly planet, offers of assistance quickly come. However, Mr. Space doesn't know what he's doing, where he's going or what he's looking for so he prefers not to take any advice. "MotherEarth please! I'd rather do it myself!"

3.3 After trying to figure out everything for himself for a while he realizes he's more lost than ever. He decides to give up trying to do everything without seeking help from others. Thank God, it's about time.

3.4 Now an opportunity to make a connection offers itself. He accepts it.

3.5 Little by little now he's learning to communicate but it's slow going. Not only that, every new thing he learns makes him more...

3.6 Aware of how much he doesn't know. It's an overwhelming and devastating awareness. Bloody tears flow.

...this experience then leads to chapter 4. Youthful Folly enters Classroom Earth. Retreating from the idea of trying to understand everything and be responsible for everything all at once, Spaceman now recognizes that he doesn't know everything and that Information is only given on an as need to know basis and no new lessons are presented until the previous ones are mastered.

Anyway, I'm suggesting that 3.6 indicates a situation where a person has tried to take on too much.

-rosada

rodaki · Oct 9, 2010

rosada said:
Hexagram 3. Difficulty at The Beginning

If I ever write my I Ching Epic Journey,

-rosada

oh do write that Rosada, I'm sure your readers are waiting in anticipation!

ompom:

rohamc · May 14, 2011

tears of blood and birthing

I like the Madonna's tears of blood. I don't want to say what my question was (in response to which Yi gave me this line) but it was most definitely centered on the primal/primordial/forbidden feminine. So the Madonna's tears of blood seemed an interesting avenue. I found this:

Being at the extremity of Birth-Throes defines Line Six's suffering---the tears of blood and difficulty of movement. The extremity of birth-throes means Six is perpetually in inception and cannot establish itself. It cannot meaningfully engage in the next step.

at:
http://www.yijingpoetics.net/yjp/3difficulty.pdf

Happy delving!

bradford · May 23, 2011

The Yi often uses hyperbole like this. 47 is the best example. Often it's to point out that the situation will pass and lighten your mood in the process. Tears of blood might be like saying "the worst emotional distress in the history of the universe." Obviously this can't continue.

sooo · May 25, 2011

That's funny, Brad. I often have to chuckle and roll my eyes at myself when I get that line. And yes, same idea with 47. Hyperbole is a really good word for it, and the humor of it can sometimes be enough to crack open the ego shell, the enclosed tree.

The whole point of a blade of grass may be to be eaten at the height of its effort to exist. Nothing to cry about.

steve · Jan 16, 2012

Is it possible 3.6 could be dont give up even though things seem hopeless now, i seem to get this from this line, like veronica's story she did make it in the end and even if there was easier way she had taken a paticular path so ....

Could it be you are trying climb a huge mountain and you are halfway there? or a pioneer story or conquering the antarctic does anyone agree or think I am off the mark.

I am thinking if you are stuck in the mud and just throw your arms up then what then

Steve

wander woods · Oct 4, 2019

veronica said:
Bloody tears

I know this is an old thread, I came across it today by pure chance but I thought I must add my comments on line 6 of hex 3 as it was one of the most significant readings I ever had (I cast it close to 20 years ago) and I believe I still feel the power of that line in my life.

I originally come from Poland, many years ago it was difficult to emigrate from Poland to another country but an opportunity came up to come to England. I asked back then "What if I decide to move to England?", I don't remember the full reading now but I certainly remember getting primary hex 3 line 6. I came to England, with hardly any English and £80 in my pocket. I couldn't legally work, I didn't have any friends and after a while my visa run out. I was then advised to have an arranged marriage in order to stay in the country and that brought years of anxiety, fear and insecurity as the guy ended up stalking and bullying me for money. I eventually managed to free myself of him and managed to achieve much in this country (eventually finished university) and perhaps the full result of my decision is yet to unfold but if someone has asked me today if I would do it again, knowing the full detail of what I went through to get where I am now (and believe me, my situation now is far from perfect as some of you may know from the previous threads) I would seriously hesitate.

So for anyone who gets Hex 3.6 - you can expect to eventually achieve what you want but it may come at a price much higher than you bargained for.

Freedda · Oct 4, 2019

@wander woods

Did you mean to add something to this thread ... and perhaps forgot to? All I can see is that you quoted Veronica's earlier post?

Alaska-Shaman · Sep 15, 2022

I asked this question about trying to reconcile with my wife. We've been teetering on the edge of divorce for several months now and I was hoping for a good news but I got this line.

It was very bad news indeed and I take this line to mean more like Christ crying tears of blood in the garden of Gethsemane.

I did indeed cry great tears of sadness.

On the other hand when I met with my therapist and was able to work things out a little more I realized that it wasn't as bad as I had thought. It is more like having to accept the situation and make the changes inside that I needed.

In spiritual terms I think it is more like a great sacrifice and acknowledgment of God's will and not my own.

rosada · Sep 15, 2022

Dear Alaska-Shamen,

I am so sorry to hear you are going through this difficult beginning!
I see hexagram 3 as a situation you've never experienced anything like before in your whole life. Even if you ask your more experienced friends for advice and assistance nobody can tell you what you ought to do.

1. Go forward or hold back? Get help! (Stay or go? Divorce or reconcile?)
2. But you don't want "help" or a marriage partner that just orders you around telling you do this, do that!
3. But you don't want to be lost without any guidance either.
4. You want someone you can can talk things over with, share notes, work things out together.
5. But what if neither one of you know what to do? What if nobody knows how to make a marriage work? Or if your life would be better single?
6. There is no help but to plunge in and find out! Feel the fear (of separating?) but do what you gotta do and you learn how to survive (3.6 changes to 42. Increase, a positive omen) Did ever see Butch Cassidy and The Sundance Kid? Remember the scene where Sundance tells Butch he is afraid to jump off the cliff into the river because "I can't swim"? Paul Neuman assures him, "Don't worry - the fall alone will kill you."

Hexagram 3 leads to 4. Youthful Folly, the hexagram about exploring a whole new world.

Alaska-Shaman · Sep 15, 2022

There's another hexagram that keeps cropping up: 36
That's a frustrating one since it's basically saying there are things you don't know going on behind the scenes and I'm not telling you!

rosada · Sep 16, 2022

I hadn't thought of 36 as meaning "there are things going on and I'm not telling you" but now I can see there is that implication here. Then I would think 36 is advice for how to stay so quiet and so hidden that one can overhear these "behind the scene" goings on. I'm thinking now how 35 is about the mating of the horses. Could 36 now be tracking the fertilized egg as it sits quietly in the womb before the mother even realizes she is pregnant? Then 37 would represent the birth of the child makes a Family, 38 more births creating Siblings, and so forth. So anyway, back to 36. Maybe it's an indication something is forming in your life but it's not clear yet exactly what, so stay calm, quiet and neutral and keep your ears open.

Alaska-Shaman · Sep 16, 2022

rosada said:
I hadn't thought of 36 as meaning "there are things going on and I'm not telling you" but now I can see there is that implication here. Then I would think 36 is advice for how to stay so quiet and so hidden that one can overhear these "behind the scene" goings on. I'm thinking now how 35 is about the mating of the horses. Could 36 now be tracking the fertilized egg as it sits quietly in the womb before the mother even realizes she is pregnant? Then 37 would represent the birth of the child makes a Family, 38 more births creating Siblings, and so forth. So anyway, back to 36. Maybe it's an indication something is forming in your life but it's not clear yet exactly what, so stay calm, quiet and neutral and keep your ears open.

I guess some people's interpretations of Hexagrams are a lot more liberal than others. I like to stick to the traditional interpretations.

Traditionally 36 is darkening of the light. That means to hide the light within the self. To hide what is really going on inside from those who would hurt the Work.

One site calls it clouded perception. That is where I got the idea that it is saying I am unaware of certain things going on in the situation.

rosada · Sep 16, 2022

You can't get much more traditional than Wilhelm and he calls 36. Darkening of the Light and says it is the superior man who veils his light, yet you are seeing it as meaning the light is somehow veiled so the superior man cannot see it? What site calls it "clouded perception"?

moss elk · Sep 16, 2022

Alaska-Shaman said:
One site calls it clouded perception. That is where I got the idea that it is saying I am unaware of certain things going on in the situation.

Yes, one site does.
And I have been advising people to avoid that site for years now.
"Clouded Perception"
Is *so* *very* *wrong.*
It is entirely backwards.
Maybe Dekorne has Dyslexia in addition to his drug use. (He writes about that part himself)

36 is about clouding the perceptions of others (by keeping your light veiled)
There are many, many lines about clouded perception & delusion & confusion,
hex 36 is not one of them.

Alaska-Shaman · Sep 17, 2022

moss elk said:
Yes, one site does.
And I have been advising people to avoid that site for years now.
"Clouded Perception"
Is *so* *very* *wrong.*
It is entirely backwards.
Maybe Dekorne has Dyslexia in addition to his drug use. (He writes about that part himself)

36 is about clouding the perceptions of others (by keeping your light veiled)
There are many, many lines about clouded perception & delusion & confusion,
hex 36 is not one of them.

Thank you for that. It is unfortunate that I read the clouded perception interpretation.

It got me thinking that my wife was holding back something terrible. Of course my mind went to the worst possibility and my heart broke all over again for an imagining.

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