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My question was for a dear friend in a extremely hard situation one that has been ongoing for about 3 years now.
The question was...... whether or not he would ever be able to extricate himself from the situation and live his life as he wants too........ As the outcome also effects myself I want to make sure I am not reading my wants into the answer.

I got Hex 55 with 6 at the second and 6 at the 5th lines. I used Hilary's ebook of Wilhelm's translation and even though it sounds as though he will get what he wants I wonder about the Image... "and carries out punishments"

I also checked out LiSe's site and found that I could twiddle with the relating Hex by either using only the second or fifth changing lines. So instead of just 43 I could look at 34 and 49. What amazed me is that they all applied, especially 49. I found myself reading language that I have been using and hearing from others for 2 years now.

Any deeper input is appreciated greatly.
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When you use miraculous/random methods in deriving meaning from the IC, EVERY hexagram will be meaningful. These methods sort the 64 hexagrams into a best fit/worst fit order but there is no guarantee that the order fits the context so the fifth hexagram could be the 'best fit' but the closeness to the first hexagram allows for THAT one to be accepted as such.

The questions method is more consistant in getting the best fit.

As for 55.2.5, line positions 2 and 5 are, as a pair, 'ruled' by hexagram 29 and so a focus on containment/control issues overall. The 'change' is:

101100 - 111110 and so 43 operating in a context of 55. - with/from diversity comes seeding (spreading the word). Sterility comes about from a lack of diversity, too much inbreeding etc Here we have the rich diversity but it is unconditional and so evil develops just as good and the dynamics are in the competitive nature of each perspective promoting itself. (touches on the containment/control issues of 29 and so issues of rejection/protection etc)

For coverage on 55s spectrum and pair dynamics see:

http://members.iimetro.com.au/~lofting/myweb/lofting/x001101.html

click on the hexagram image for another page of information.

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"The question was...... whether or not he would ever be able to extricate himself from the situation and live his life as he wants too.

I got Hex 55 with 6 at the second and 6 at the 5th lines."

55.2.5>43

Overall: he will eventually experience abundance and attain reals gains in a way that decisively separates from where he's at now.
 

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>>> The questions method is more consistant in getting the best fit.<<<

Soooo would that be asking a series of questions that pertain to the first question and Hex that you recieved? Thereby obtaining (hopefully) the wisdom that is pertinent to your first question?

Or is it something else?

It sounds as though no matter what you recieve it can be positive/negative and you have to immerse yourself further in order to understand which it is. In the past I have usually asked and felt answered, although, there are times that what I get just doesn't seem to "fit". But as I stated before, the book I was using I have abandoned for the ebook here which I find much clearer even without a written commentary.

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The image seemed very clear but I am wondering about 6 at 5 and the phrase that there "are lines coming".

It also mentions punishments and lawsuits.

If you were going to ask further, based on the first question, what would you center on?

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""The question was...... whether or not he would ever be able to extricate himself from the situation and live his life as he wants too.

I got Hex 55.2.5 > 43"

Hex 55.2 he is being prevented from getting out of the problem which he finds himself in by a person or persons who are plotting against him. These people mistrust him everytime he makes any kind of move, he must believe in himself and others will see the truth of the matter.

Hex 55.5 he should be willing to listen to others who can give him excellent advice as how to proceed(suggest to him the lines of action). All very good.

Hex 43 he has to overcome a serious problem, he must fight, he cannot afford to let it go on any further but he must be very careful and not to attack head on. The situation calls for a diplomatic approach to finding a solution, so resorting to anger will be counterproductive. So a need for decisive action is needed to obtain that resolution of the problem. Sitting still at home will not eradicate the problem. Hex 43 indictes the time aroud the end of April, October is also a very important time in this case as well. Has his problem to do with the law, courts(at the court of the king)? Divorce proceedings and alimony(dispenses riches downward).
 
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>>>>>Has his problem to do with the law, courts(at the court of the king)? Divorce proceedings and alimony(dispenses riches downward).<<<<<<

Yes.


Willowfox, How do you know the times? April is a definite departure from at least part of the current situation because his job takes him away from where he lives every other week and it is a huge bone of contention. October? Hmmmmm.

Please explain the time frames you come up with or rather how. If it isn't too deep to get into here.

I really appreciate your input. Thanks and Merry Christmas or Merry whatever you celebrate.

beithe:bows:
 
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55-43 sounds to me like he needs a good attorney to represent his case.
 
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beithe said:
>>> The questions method is more consistant in getting the best fit.<<<

Soooo would that be asking a series of questions that pertain to the first question and Hex that you recieved? Thereby obtaining (hopefully) the wisdom that is pertinent to your first question?

Or is it something else?

something else. The Emotional IC pages preamble covers the issue:

http://members.iimetro.com.au/~lofting/myweb/EmotionalIC.html

SImply put, by understanding how our brains process/derive meaning so we can flesh out what is going on with the IC, how it works etc based on understanding of neurology etc

From the analysis we find that miraculous/random methods of deriving hexagrams are not consistant in deriving the 'best fit'.

Consideration of the dynamics of our emotions shows us a system of interpreting a situation emotionally and semi-independent of our consciousness - thus we ask our emotions to identify a situation symbolically in the form of a hexagram. To do that we supply generic questions that are answered with emotion and THAT gets us the image of the situation.

As such this is equivalent to us asking our emotions "please describe this situation". We can get an idea of what is going on from the three to six answers we get and the 'best fit' is derived more consistantly. OTOH, working of the miraculous etc means we are trying to score a miracle every time - something not observed in everyday life! ;-)

The use of emotions can give us something in agreement with our conscious/rational perspective or something contradicting - our emotions look out for ourselves, consciousness contains censorship stuff derived from social rules etc.

When we turn to the IC to seek advice so we are usually in some 'destablised' condition - often our emotions are screaming as our consciousness rationalises ;-)

Thus coin tossing etc can generate a 'best fit' or close to and so be considered 'successful' but the fact is ALL of the hexagrams of the IC will generate meaning for ANY situation - what we seek is the sorting of the 64 hexagrams into a sequence from best fit to worst fit.

(the WHOLE that is the IC is experienced unconsciously - our consciousness is in fact limited in what it can deal with so we need to cover those areas outside of immediate consciousness to give us the full picture of what is going on)

From the additional work on the IC we understand that each hexagram contains all of the others and that includes the sense of begin-end - and so purpose.

Thus deriving a hexagram to represent a situation also derives its purpose. This is a GENERAL purpose - it covers the collective not the individual - the individual is placed in this dynamic and so can choose to stay and go with the flow or modify or leave; that is what choice is about (something we as conscious individuals can do ;-))

The main focus in our thinking is to derive a hierarchy of yin/yang responses to questions (this is covered in other threads on this list) where we move from the general to the particular, the vague to the crisp, the field to the point. Any form of questions can do it but the ones we use reflect what our brains do when dealing with novelty - they focus on big picture yin/yang and then zoom-in on each element to apply yin/yang again and then do it again etc.

In the IC+ perspective, the generic first three questions give us a trigram that sets the foundation for our analysis - so in the Emotional IC we ask our emotions, our feelings to answer:

q1 is the situation, do you/they feel it to be, about facts or values (or was facts, no not sure; was values, now not sure)

q2 is the situation, do you/they feel it to be, about what was/is/will-be or is it about what could-have-been/is-not/could-be (or the changing options)

q3 do you/they feel that you are reacting to the situation or did you instigate it - are you being reactive or proactive (or the changing options)

Due to the make up of our brains in dealing with novelty these three questions will elicit a trigram reflecting the brain state (emotional state). In so doing we identify the situation and from there, using XOR can identify its probable development. THEN WE decide to let it run its course and take us with it, or move on or try to impose our own context (high energy expenditure but possible)

For more on the approach see the IC+ material:

http://members.iimetro.com.au/~lofting/myweb/newindex.html

and from there the IDM material that covers a bigger picture of how we create metaphors etc to describe reality.

Note the above three questions are not set in concrete - any questions will do but they MUST be ordered in a hierarchic manner - yin/yang within yin/yang etc etc to elicit a useful representation of the situation.

That said, the format of the above questions is derived from considering what the brain does in GENERAL in analysis of a novel situation - thus we give the emotions 'neutral', 'wide' questions as sorts of coat hangers upon which our emotions place their answers in emotionally coloured forms. Since our emotions are derived from self-referencing of the fight/flight dichotomy, and the IC is from self-referencing yin/yang dichotomy, the one METHOD will elicit isomorphics across different specialist perspectives and we can use one to elicit images from another and so give us meaning.

The Emotional IC page includes links to other pages covering all of this.

Chris.
 
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hi

Hi,

I see this , 55 to 43, saying that if he WANTS to extricate himself, he will have to be VERY decisive.

Line 2 suggests that he is very reluctant to do so. Seeing a greater truth in his current situation will give him the motivation to break forth. For instance, if he is separting from something, and sees that the situation is not helping ANYone, he may have the courage to break forth. The line 5 says that help will come to him if he does.

IMHO, and lacking any clairvoyant intuition of this situation, I would say that this reading does not predict that he will or won't extricate himself, it speaks to what is necessary if he chooses to.
 

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"Please explain the time frames you come up with or rather how. If it isn't too deep to get into here."

Well, to cut a long story short, there are some people on this forum who are totally against anyone make predictions, so I no longer explain how I do what I do, so I hope that you understand that I am walking on very thin ice when I make predictions.

But now for some more predictions. It is around the end of April that your friend has some battle to fight and it is at the end of September beinning of October a possibility of separation, anyway something very important in the case. Also, the end of June sticks out for a battle.
Now who is in the right and who is in the wrong, for a start I believe your friend is in a much stronger position than his wife because it appears that she is on shifting sand in this case, the foundations of her case are very weak. Is that correct?
I believe that the case will be finished by the end of next year, she will get part of what she wants, alimony and a few other things and he will probably move out of town for good.
He already has a very good lawyer who will win or not lose too much to the opposition team. He has good council, all he has to do is follow their advice.
 

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Just to be sure that there are no misunderstandings, I for one have no quarrel with your making predictions, Willowfox, so long as you clarify what you are basing your ideas on. As this is an I Ching chat group I assume, unless they tell me me differently, that the poster is basing their predictions on the hexagrams. With this assumption, I then study the hexagrams and the prediction and the timing to see what I can learn too. If the prediction is not based on the I Ching but on astrology or numerology or some other system that I have no way of knowing about, then I feel that I have been tricked and that the poster has been wasting my time. So that's where my objections come from, not from predictions themselves, but from posters being vague about their methods. If you see something you think would be helpful to know about in the stars - like Saturn turning direct at the end of April or Mars going into Cancer at the end of September - I have no problem with you sharing your insights here. I just want people to let me know when they are relying on something more than the I Ching and intuition to flesh out their visions.
 
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>>>>When we turn to the IC to seek advice so we are usually in some 'destablised' condition - often our emotions are screaming as our consciousness rationalises ;-)<<<<

This is something I have found with Tarot readings. It is obvious that when someone is emotional off kilter or is looking for a certain outcome they can read anything they want from the spread. But I have also seen cards come up that are ignored even though the meaning is clear and have done so myself. Even though I would read for others I use them more as atool for spiritual growth now. I feel that sometimes oracles of any kind make a connection within our subconscious and dredge up the things we are refusing to acknowledge.

Thanks Chris and I have been wandering through your link studying and will continue to do so.



Hi Hollis

>>Line 2 suggests that he is very reluctant to do so. >>>
There are issues that require his prescence, health, etc. Most of the reluctance seems to be tied to 'what ifs'..... I agree ith the remainder of your comment too.


>>>55-43 sounds to me like he needs a good attorney to represent his case.>>>
That was my thought bruce. That is why I was centering on punishments from who, etc. I can see that I have to go into this more deeply than I have.



>>>Now who is in the right and who is in the wrong, for a start I believe your friend is in a much stronger position than his wife because it appears that she is on shifting sand in this case, the foundations of her case are very weak. Is that correct?>>>

yes. About the attorney I do not know. I know that at one time he had spoken to someone and thought things were finally finished. That was not the case. And I understand your "thin ice" with predictions and dates. That is fine and makes your input all the more valuable to me. And I won't hold you to it ;)

Thank you all
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Well now I'm feeling bad here. Willowfox shouldn't have to feel anxious about sharing her gifts. What are the rules and guidelines here? Am I out of line to be protesting using methods other than the I Ching to answer the questions ? And what IS the group feeling about predictions and dates?
Again, I don't object to using astrology to give insight into the hexagram, I just want to know that's what we're doing. Otherwise, not only do I not learn anything, but isn't there a risk newcomers will become discouraged because their interpretations don't match? In which case, instead of promoting understanding of the I Ching it turns out we're actually promoting ignorance?
 
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Don't feel bad Rosada.....I don't think Willowfox EVER HAS truly offered to explain how she does "what she does" ..i.e. derives the timelines for her readings. I feel that has always been the basis of most criticism of her readings... not so much that she makes predictions but that she isnt forthcoming about she derives some of the "information." I think she mentioned a kind of astrology once, but not sure.

So willowfox, I also don't mind your predictions, but I also feel you could be more generous about explaining your sources, or at least mention that you are using additional forms of divination. especially with people who are newly trying to understand the Yi jing responses.

It still is not clear to me if Willowfox uses a system something like Jesed used to use (with the Yijing) or if WF uses astrology. As it is, it is just confusing sometimes to see a prediction that doesnt obviously link with the reading. April is linked with 43 (but is it literal?) ... as for the rest of the timeline info....?

Of all that is said above, I like Dobro's interpretation the best. If I asked that question and I got that reading, I would assume that the case is sound, already in good hands, and positive resolution is on the way. Of course, it could be what Bruce said too, but based on the question, I would say it means that this man already has the good lawyer.
 
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The I Ching as such cannot give information regarding an individual, it gives information regarding a situation and that from a collective perspective; the individual can then choose what action to take in that situation. As such the IC allows us to identify the 'tao' of a situation and so how to fit in to establish/re-establish balance etc (recall the story of the rain maker coming to the dry village - he had to live in the cottage supplied for a few days before he could 'do his thing' where those days allowed for identifying and so fitting in with the local context)

The properties derived from the method of self-referencing of yin/yang give us patterns of behaviour etc operating at a group level. There may be times when an individual's position 'best fits' the group position but in general that is not so - the group operates off an aggregate of behaviours, mixing real and imagined - and the 64 to 4096 categories we have reflect THAT.

The analogy here is to sperm fertilising an egg. There is purpose for sperm as a collective but each sperm is meaningless in the context of the big picture. However, for US we have consciousness and are able to make decisions that include a 'random' choice that elicits great benefit (or loss).

Given the XOR work we can identify the purpose of a situation given its identification with a hexagram and that hexagram 'containing' expressions of all of the others - and that includes begin-end.

Given the work on networks we find that group dynamics are predictable but can span generations to achieve a goal in that the individual is open to 'random' influences and so is unreliable in reaching the goal of the collective. Thus the statistical focus works with any individual success being 'cream'.

Given all of this understanding re XOR and self-referencing etc so we move into a new era regarding 'divination' and so predictions etc where our personal consciousness is an agent of randomness that is not included in the 'predictions' of the collective but serves to add variations that can be of benefit to the collective.

As individuals we are all meaningless - but as conscious individuals we are also agents of mediation and can act as 'randomisers' for the collective - and so individuals are more prone to come up with 'innovative' ideas ;-)

To add to this re emotions - since our basic emotions reflect what we share with other species members so they serve as a source of identification of a situation from a collective perspective. The identification is vague but enough for our consciousness to fill in local 'dots' and we can identify the situation and choose our actions.

Our secondary emotions are not included in the questions in that they develop from our sense of SELF (e.g. embarissment etc) - the emphasis is on those primary emotions derived from self-referencing of fight/flight - a dynamic we all share in general as an emotional species.

As for Willowfox - my feelings have been expressed on other threads.

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I agree wit Rosada and Listener. I have nothing against predictions, as long as it is very clear where they come from. And not just once, but every time they are made. They don't have to be explained in an exhaustive way, but the source should be given. Three words are enough: "according to astrology (or tarot or whatever else) ..."

Seems to me not that difficult.

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listener said:
It still is not clear to me if Willowfox uses a system something like Jesed used to use (with the Yijing) or if WF uses astrology. As it is, it is just confusing sometimes to see a prediction that doesnt obviously link with the reading. April is linked with 43 (but is it literal?) ... as for the rest of the timeline info....?

Funny, nothing to do with WF here, but I was recently arguing something similar in the E-Ching forum (Spanish). There are a number of folks there that use numerological formulas to come up with timelines for their predictions--and swear by them--, something they learned from an Yi "Illuminati", with "secret", word-of-mouth teachings from the ancient sages, passed on, thru generations all the way from China to the Chilean Andes, where he is from and I believe he currently resides and holds a title of "priest". Stinks of "cult," if you ask me. Sigh... I've nothing but admiration for Shao Yong and his teachings or whoever comes up with similar formulas. Just don't try to pop-up, out of nowhere, in the late 20th and early 21st Century, to sell them to me like a recently discovered snake oil.

Double sigh... I've less patience for nonsense in my native Spanish than I do in English. :)

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After hearing some new information I had to cast the coins again in relation to 55,etc.

The new question is..
"How do these present actions effect the first reading?"

I recieved Hex 61 with lines changing 9.1 6.4 and 9.5 and the relating Hex 64. I used both Wilhelm and LiSe's sites for trans.

Without making the private public I guess the best thing to say is that one party has left but it is unknown for what reason or for how long. Thus my question.

Wilhelm especially sounds positive as to this being the final stretch but I am also seeing the inner truth struggle because of not having the information as to why or for how long.

Pigs and Fishes????????

delays of execution????? but especially "Pigs and Fishes"????????

9.1 this "secret designs" has been stated by him as "deceit" and there is "disquiet" as to what is really going on.
6.4 "team horse going astray" is this maybe referring to the one who has left? With the full moon being the climax point? Height of power but things could still go in any direction.
9.5 I do believe that he is beginning to believe that he is in possession of the truth but he is still in assimilation stage.

soooo when you read Hex 64 it seems to be saying if your going in the right direction don't change horses in the middle of the stream :the fox getting his tail wet.No missteps now when you are almost finished continue to be discerning.


You have all been so much help with this. I am still chewing on this new one but these are my inital thoughts

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If I understand, 55 was about him. This reading is about you, or what to make of his 55.

Now isn’t the time to reach conclusions. There’s times to leave a situation but not make a determination for its outcome. It’s like losing your lead horse but still trusting your direction, trusting your truth to lead. Whether 61 speaks to truth shared between you two, or reaching deeper into yourself for your own inner truth, I can’t say. Maybe they aren’t different?
 

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""How do these present actions effect the first reading?"

I recieved Hex 61 with lines changing 9.1 6.4 and 9.5 and the relating Hex 64."

Hex 61.1 he must prepare himself for whatever may happen in the case, this is very good, but he must not be totally dependant on others, think for himself.

Hex 61.4 he must listen to wise council and continue with the case, so that he can separate from his wife.

Hex 61.5 it looks to me that the judge will make a decision in the case that will bind all parties. Very good.

Hex 64 the time of transition from disorder to order is not yet complete, matters have not been settled yet but the freedom that he wants is not far away now, so he must proceed very carefully and think before he leaps, no rushing ahead. He should be smart here and do the right thing then success is assured
 

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>>>>>If I understand, 55 was about him. This reading is about you, or what to make of his 55.<<<<<

Yes the 55 was about him but the new one is mostly about the effect her present actions may or may not change 55. He in no way expected this to happen and I know he doesn't know what to do at this point. As far as attorneys go, I don't know, he is very private about many things. I am thinking it is on his mind and he had made an appointment once but it went nowhere. He is nothing if not analytical and careful sometimes almost too much so.

<<<<Hex 61.1 he must prepare himself for whatever may happen in the case, this is very good, but he must not be totally dependant on others, think for himself.>>>>

He said all he can do is "wait it out" "sit still" until he knows the true intention of this action.

<<<<Hex 64 the time of transition from disorder to order is not yet complete, matters have not been settled yet but the freedom that he wants is not far away now, so he must proceed very carefully and think before he leaps, no rushing ahead. He should be smart here and do the right thing then success is assured>>>>

This what I felt. Don't change horses in the middle of the stream. If something is working for you and taking you in the direction that you want to go...you don't reverse direction and you don't make a sudden sprint for the finish line.

"it ain't over til the fat lady sings" :rofl: There is still much food for thought here.

As always you have given more insight.
Thank you Bruce and Willowfox :bows:
 

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""How do these present actions effect the first reading?"

In reality his wife disappearing does not affect the first answer in anyway. Waiting it out or sitting still is the wrong action to take, Hex 43 calls for decisive action, no time to be sitting around. All hex 64 is adding is the need to think carefully and be very cautious in the case but to proceed none the less with some action. I would presume his problem would have been sorted along time ago if he had been more active in the case, and so it has lingered way too long. Time for cautious action.

"Hex 61.4 he must listen to wise council and continue with the case, so that he can separate from his wife."

If we are the wise council mentioned then he must heed our words, and we say do it but do it right, continue to fight the unjust case in order to separate forever.
 
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"we are the wise council"
"we say do it"
Willowfox, please speak ONLY for yourself. I am not going to be part of your "we".
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"Willowfox, please speak ONLY for yourself. I am not going to be part of your "we".
LiSe"

No problem.
 

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<<I would presume his problem would have been sorted along time ago if he had been more active in the case, and so it has lingered way too long. Time for cautious action.>>

In many ways this is true. So many times the very thing we think will "help" a situation instead fosters growth of the wrong type. I feel that this is what has happened here. But I do not know the players except by name, not their personalities (except second hand),not their agendas (although some things have become very clear over time). And many of the things he has done, in the end, have shown him the truth of the situation.

The two readings I have done this week spoke of many of the same things that were in actuality happening. If anything, I have become completely amazed at the accuracy of its wisdom. I have had the same results with Tarot but there is a difference and I haven't determined what it is yet. There is something very human about the YiJing...something of the wise parent whom you have always trusted. I have to meditate on that thought...

I have much appreciated everyone's input. As I am new here and learning it is good to have such willing helpers. In a very short time I have developed a healthy respect for the postings of many members and their far superior knowledge. Of course I also know that all this knowledge really only comes from one source that we can choose to heed or not.

Thanks
beithe :)
 

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Hey Chris,

"The I Ching as such cannot give information regarding an individual, it gives information regarding a situation and that from a collective perspective; the individual can then choose what action to take in that situation."

Are you saying here that Yi does not respond to my unique situation, but only to a generic situation which I happen to fall into? and any advice it gives would be generic as well? Wouldn't that mean that if my situation was slightly different from the generic, that the advice would then also need to be modified, and should not be used verbatim?

That's changing my outlook of the whole thing.

" As such the IC allows us to identify the 'tao' of a situation and so how to fit in to establish/re-establish balance"

That's funny because my questions have usually been something like "what's my tao here", yet I never quite made the connection that the situation was more generic than unique.
 

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Pakua-
Chris says that because he is a materialist who believes that the i-ching functions as a projective analysis tool. If you are a materialist who believes readings are accessing the unconscious (and he'll try to make that basic statement much more complex than it needs to be, but that's the long and short of his perspective) why then of course a reading will not contain individual information, (not really, anyway- it's just a randomly generated number, after all) because there's no "divine" that's actually speaking to you through "divination"- you are simply generating solutions with your brain and allowing those insights access to your consciousness.

Other people find a materialist perspective to be too contrived, and remain open to the possibility of unknown, personal signficiance in divination.
 
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pakua said:
Hey Chris,
Are you saying here that Yi does not respond to my unique situation, but only to a generic situation which I happen to fall into? and any advice it gives would be generic as well? Wouldn't that mean that if my situation was slightly different from the generic, that the advice would then also need to be modified, and should not be used verbatim?

The IC is metaphor/analogy in the form of a language made-up of categories rather than letters. Any hexagram is not the thing but a representative of. Thats why all hexagrams can be positive or negative in intepretation where the final contributor to meaning is the local context; reality is not emotional, WE are such that any emotional painting comes from us in our interpretations (and so reality to our emotions is nothing but emotional! - we can describe all emotions using the hexagrams but the hexagrams are not emotional; e.g. anger is 'like' the intense, competitive, singlemindedness of heaven etc and that means all aspects of anger, from feeling a 'slight' irritation to full blown rage. Another example I have used recently is the characteristics of hexagram 23 - it covers low energy expenditure 'housekeeping' (fluff up the pillows etc) as it covers high energy removal of the chaff from the wheat - all run by some specialist 'pruner' etc IOW the IC gives you 23 but it does not give you the full range of expression, the linking of that generic category to LOCAL context by consciousness will do that.

Our emotions are less precise than our consciousness & reason such that when using the Emotional I Ching, even though we get the emotions to paint the picture, the picture is still blurred, lacking details, and it is consciousness that links the dots, adds precision etc to the meaning. Thus the moment our emotions come up with a vague hexagram of meaning, our consciousness goes 'oh - of course!' in that it fills in details that make everything 'best fit'. Thus the IC is a 'language of the vague', it clearly identifies situations but from a vague level - as if a colour in the form of a hue. It is our audition system that is more precise than our visual system in that IT can detect each note in a chord such that sequencial communications, the written/spoken word, gives us high precision communications re details.

Thus our emotions can over-exaggerate a reaction due to a limit on details and our consciousness can calm the waters by its ability to pick up those details - we can calm ourselves down, cool down, and so make better decisions on what we need to do (if anything)

pakua said:
" As such the IC allows us to identify the 'tao' of a situation and so how to fit in to establish/re-establish balance"

That's funny because my questions have usually been something like "what's my tao here", yet I never quite made the connection that the situation was more generic than unique.

Try the Emotional IC in these situations - let the emotions give you a generic 'feel' for the situation and your consciousness will fill in the dots. If in a hurry you can just use the three questions you will get a trigram that is base for eight hexagrams and you can get the eight to elicit resonance for one of them.

If you use XOR then to re-establish balance use 63-ness where its mix of strategies is evened out (yang-yin-yang-yin-yang-yin) and so a general 'completion' or 'correct sequence' agent.

Chris.
 

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